Wiccans

Em · Post by Em » Wed Oct 22, 2003 10:06 am

NameGoesHere wrote:I have researched Wicca to an extent and I find many of its principals coincide with my own beliefs of life, even though I'm a Christian (though not the most traditional of them ^^;). I can understand why Wiccans would be ridiculed by some, seeing as even I have been ridiculed for being a Christian and merely researching Wicca.

I just have to ask this why do other people ridicule other people's belifes? is it beucase they're sacred witless but the fact they don't know about it or what.

I don't care what you preach/worship/don't/worship whatever beofer anyone ask

Tempest · Post by **Tempest** » Wed Oct 22, 2003 10:13 am

Thier are several reasons. It could be the fact that some believe that their is only 1 true releigion, and if you don't worship it then you deserve some sort of punishment. They may be afraid that all the years that they spent practicing and worshiping one faith might be in vien. They they could have been wrong all of their life. As you said Em, it could be about fear. Hating something that they don't understand.

I'm not acusing everyo person of different faiths of this. alot of people are very open .. but once in a while you get some holy-roling fanatic.

Starscream · Post by **Starscream** » Wed Oct 22, 2003 10:28 am

I find this type of religious stick-to-it-ness a lot in older generations, personally:

Recently, my family came up to visit us for my birthday, and so we took the obligatory trip to Salem (so much fun). Despite the informational tours and explinations about Wicca and what they do/don't believe, my grandmother was still rather insistent that they are devil worshipers, and chastized my brother for buying a pendant or some such. I can't say I blame her - she grew up in Cuba before Castro, and most Latin American countries are/were strictly Catholic with a very conservative interpretation of the Bible.

Often, it's not so easy to blame someone for not being open about things, especially if they have been brought up since birth with little to no exposure to anything else. Personally, I'm of the mind that if your faith - or lack there of - does no harm to others, then I have no qualms with you or your beliefs.

Jed-kun · Post by **Jed-kun** » Wed Oct 22, 2003 3:06 pm

FoxFire wrote:She might have intended it that way. She does do her research, but it's also her own world, and she's altered some elements from out there traditionally are in folklore.

It still sort of bothers me, but I'll get over it and just tell people that it's not a curse when they tell me that it is (which was the big thing that buged me about it). There exseptionally good books and Ill move past that.

FoxFire wrote:prefer the Q spelling cause that's how hermetic Qabalists usually spell it...There's a book called The Witches Qabala by Ellen Cannon Reed about mixing Wicca and Qabala which I've read and it's good.

I didn't even know that there was a different way to spell it, I guess it's sorta like Hanuka and Chanuka. You learn somthing new every day

. I'll have to read that one, there is a really good book that I have called Magic of the Ordinary: Recovering the Shamanic in Judaism It's sooo good! It's by Gershon Winkler, whom to my understanding, is one of if not THE best expert on the Kabala/Qabala.

Jeff · Post by **Jeff** » Wed Oct 22, 2003 4:30 pm

I once considered dedicating myself as a Wiccan, but decided against it. I have studied it online and read a book called "The Witch's Handbook" or something that attempted to explain it. My main problem with Wicca is that although it is extremely liberal as to interpretation and beliefs, that one is basically required to assume certain things are true. Masculine and feminine forces, reincarnation... while it's definitely a possibility in my mind, I just don't have enough proof. However, that's the problem with all religions.

Jadeite · Post by **Jadeite** » Wed Oct 22, 2003 5:10 pm

If I could jump in here on this one, I have a couple of thoughts.

I have a couple of Wiccan friends and at least where I live they have NO problems about being open in their beliefs and from what I can see they are very pleased with how they are treated, which is to say they are treated no different then anyone else. In fact, they get the most flak from their parents due to their beliefs being in conflict with something like Christianity or other types of religions.

What I notice more however is the hiding of other types of people. Most people are open minded I know, but I've seen a lot of people shunned because of a 6th Sense type of ability. They seem to be affraid/enclosed a lot more Wiccans, at least in my area of the earth. Without going into too much detail, I simply ask:

Why is it such a big problem to be Wiccan, or have a 6th sense or other types of things? Personally I see no problem with either...

Ojamajo_LimePie · Post by **Ojamajo_LimePie** » Wed Oct 22, 2003 5:12 pm

Jed-kun wrote::: Side Note :: Though I love Harry Potter (someone was talking about this ont he other thread) J.K. Rowling dosn't do her research well enough! My main problem is with Avra Kadavra. It is an ancient Kabalistic protection spell, NOT A CURSE OF DEATH! :: end of side note ::

Good point.

Although, JKR might be parodying the steriotypical magical phrase "Abra Kadabra!" Also, a cadaver is a dead body, so the 'kadavra' might be a pun in that word.

Em · Post by Em » Wed Oct 22, 2003 5:26 pm

Jadeite wrote:Why is it such a big problem to be Wiccan, or have a 6th sense or other types of things? Personally I see no problem with either...

Beucase thoese that same they have a 6th snes can be called mad and ridculed belive it or not

Jadeite · Post by **Jadeite** » Wed Oct 22, 2003 7:39 pm

Em wrote:Beucase thoese that same they have a 6th snes can be called mad and ridculed belive it or not

As with everyone I assume.. but that doesnt mean they are mad.. I'm sure some are quite sane, it's possible isn't it?

Em · Post by Em » Wed Oct 22, 2003 7:55 pm

Jadeite wrote:
Em wrote:Beucase thoese that same they have a 6th snes can be called mad and ridculed belive it or not
As with everyone I assume.. but that doesnt mean they are mad.. I'm sure some are quite sane, it's possible isn't it?

I know people wiht 6th snes ( or they tell me they have it) they are sane very sane infact.

Anywa back on Topic who know's of a good wicca website out there?
Adn what do epople think of all Whihccraft and White carft been tide wiht teh same brush?

Jed-kun · Post by **Jed-kun** » Wed Oct 22, 2003 8:37 pm

Ojamajo_LimePie wrote:
Jed-kun wrote::: Side Note :: Though I love Harry Potter (someone was talking about this ont he other thread) J.K. Rowling dosn't do her research well enough! My main problem is with Avra Kadavra. It is an ancient Kabalistic protection spell, NOT A CURSE OF DEATH! :: end of side note ::
Good point.

Although, JKR might be parodying the steriotypical magical phrase "Abra Kadabra!" Also, a cadaver is a dead body, so the 'kadavra' might be a pun in that word.

Oh, I know, and that's why I don't get to upset over it. However, the phrase "Abra Kadabra" acctually comes from the words "Avra Kadavra" so it basically depends on the accent/pronuciation.

Post by **Tiff** » Wed Oct 22, 2003 8:59 pm

Well, to be fair, she has the choice to use whatever words she wants for made-up spells. She doesn't have to research actual spells if she's making them up. She may not even KNOW that's an actual spell; then again, she may know, but just liked the sound of the words. It's her right. I could write a book, take the words "Blessed be", and say that it means something evil in my book's world.
I don't see a reason to get so worked up over it.

ParaKiss_Groupie · Post by **ParaKiss_Groupie** » Thu Oct 23, 2003 8:10 am

I don't mind the word. She at least took REAL words to make her spells. I can't stand it when the spells are like 'flidiky' and things like that. Words that don't make any sense. At least the things in her spells are based on real words and what they mean. For example, Imperio has the root 'imper' in it, used in words like 'imperative,' which means forcefully. So, the spell makes sense.

On a more humorous note, the spell 'Avada Kerdava' may have been a protective spell, but (and I don't mean to offend any Jewish people) if some old Rabbi straight out of Yentl walks up to me and says "Avada Kerdava!" I'm going to piss myself and run away screaming, if I haven't had a heart attack. That is a very sinister sounding word!

Luna1986 · Post by **Luna1986** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 12:45 am

don't worry its alright to say Jews, you dirty goy. (Just funnin' ya)
BTW the Jews have a long history of magic and such. Albeit not something that should be taught to most people and especially non-Jews, no offense-just the rules.