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Post by Celexa » Tue Oct 21, 2003 2:23 am

Okay, we can continue our discussion on this thread so we don't get yelled at by Anthy or Tiff or anyone ^.^;;

This is really something I would like to do a little research on. It's really very interesting. And don't worry about Harry Potter refrences. I know it's not nice to be misunderstood, it happens to me daily...

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Post by Celexa » Tue Oct 21, 2003 2:40 am

Are there many Wiccans, a medium amount, or just a few?

I haven't heard of Wiccans a lot, but I'm sure there are plenty out there.

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Post by FoxFire » Tue Oct 21, 2003 2:53 am

Celexa wrote:Are there many Wiccans, a medium amount, or just a few?

I haven't heard of Wiccans a lot, but I'm sure there are plenty out there.
The amount of Wiccans is very hard to determine because many aren't open about their beliefs for fear of persecution. Here is one page that attempts to figure out that question.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/wic_nbr.htm

I would recommend looking at more pages at the Religious Tolerance website for more information about Wicca if you're interested.
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Post by Celexa » Tue Oct 21, 2003 2:57 am

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Celexa wrote:Are there many Wiccans, a medium amount, or just a few?

I haven't heard of Wiccans a lot, but I'm sure there are plenty out there.
The amount of Wiccans is very hard to determine because many aren't open about their beliefs for fear of persecution. Here is one page that attempts to figure out that question.
Persecution? They don't hunt out and kill people that they convict of "witchcraft" anymore, do they? Or is it prejudice people who hurt them?

PS - No offense meant by use of "witchcraft." I didn't know what else to call it, gomen if it's offending...

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Ko: It's cold medicine, right?
Our Group: NO!!!
Me: Can I just say?
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Me: (says what)
Ko: .....What's that?
Me: ......*starts crying*
Carley: STEVE! STEVE GET OVER HERE AND TELL KO WHAT VIAGRA DOES!
Steve: See, it's like this: The bridge goes up and the soldiers rush out....

Tiff: Aww, you killed someone for me. That's so sweet in a f***ed up sort of way!

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Post by FoxFire » Tue Oct 21, 2003 3:24 am

Celexa wrote:Persecution? They don't hunt out and kill people that they convict of "witchcraft" anymore, do they? Or is it prejudice people who hurt them?

PS - No offense meant by use of "witchcraft." I didn't know what else to call it, gomen if it's offending...
They don't, but some people still have mistaken impressions about Wiccans such as that they worship satan which could cause them to be harassed, so they prefer to keep quiet.

I don't think witchcraft is offensive, some Wiccans still use that term, but others don't like it because of connotations it may have.
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Post by Celexa » Tue Oct 21, 2003 3:32 am

FoxFire wrote:
Celexa wrote:Persecution? They don't hunt out and kill people that they convict of "witchcraft" anymore, do they? Or is it prejudice people who hurt them?

PS - No offense meant by use of "witchcraft." I didn't know what else to call it, gomen if it's offending...
They don't, but some people still have mistaken impressions about Wiccans such as that they worship satan which could cause them to be harassed, so they prefer to keep quiet.

I don't think witchcraft is offensive, some Wiccans still use that term, but others don't like it because of connotations it may have.
From some religious research my mom did, she learned that satan and the devil are manmade terms for something to blame our misfortune on. I really don't believe in satan, but I wonder how magics got connected with satan in the first place?

Me: This is coming from the kid who doesn't know what Viagra is!
Ko: It's cold medicine, right?
Our Group: NO!!!
Me: Can I just say?
Dylan: Sure, it's no weirder than what normally comes out of your mouth.
Me: (says what)
Ko: .....What's that?
Me: ......*starts crying*
Carley: STEVE! STEVE GET OVER HERE AND TELL KO WHAT VIAGRA DOES!
Steve: See, it's like this: The bridge goes up and the soldiers rush out....

Tiff: Aww, you killed someone for me. That's so sweet in a f***ed up sort of way!

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Post by Em » Tue Oct 21, 2003 5:11 am

The Bibile and the Middles ages Witch hnt's which stated that all witchcraft was the work of the devil and of coures the church.

I belive that Wicca call what the pratice WhiteCraft but I'm not Wicca so best ask one of the ones on the fourm . I've been reading up on Wicca and it's sort of speaks to me as crazy at that sounds.

Anyway it intrestes me I have no problems with anyone that is heck we've had on in the family along with a druid
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Post by Tempest » Tue Oct 21, 2003 9:43 am

Celexa wrote: From some religious research my mom did, she learned that satan and the devil are manmade terms for something to blame our misfortune on. I really don't believe in satan, but I wonder how magics got connected with satan in the first place?
When ever something unexplained happen, it was referred to as magic. Back in the days of the "Salem Witch Hunts" [probably even further back] When someone did something that they couldn't understand, good or bad, it was labeld "magic" and thought to be the craft of the "Devil". And witches here hunt down and killed in the name of god and everything holy. It's why the pentagram is considerd the "Devil's Sign". It's actual the Star of Protection, used as a barrier against negative energy.

As far as I'm concered about the Devil, I don't beleive that entity ever existed. I think it was created to scare people into beleivng in God. That god will protect them if they lead a "good christian life". I'm sorry, if I'm about to upset people with what I'm about to say, and I mean no offense. But why are we susposed to fear a god that loves? God is suposed to love us and forgive us for our sins and crimes, yet if we don't do as he says, he will cast us into hell? I'm sorry, their is something fundimentally hypocritical that.
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I'm not saying that their is no god in wicca, because thier is. Wiccans beleive in a god, not a man, not a woman, but is both Masculine and femminine. The "Lord and Lady". That it is both these energys that we may call upon, as well as the energy and spirit of the earth. But in my own bias, I beleive in a goddess, not a god. But this is my own personal beleifs and knowlage of general wiccans. Each person varies in beleifs.

I hang around alot of Wiccans online. Some I know are actual wiccans and some I think just pay lip-service to the religion or did it because of the reasons I listed in the ghosts topic. Thier are many types of wiccans. I'm Celtic (Anyone, anyone?), their is also Draconic/Faery Wicca, and much recently, I've learned of Egyption wicca (Loves her Tenshi). It has many branches and many different types.

You can find out more doing web-searches. Also, the next time your in a books store, go to the "New age" isle and look through book refernces. I reccommed, "Teen Witch" by Silver Ravenwolf as a good starter.
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Post by Jusenkyo no Pikachu » Tue Oct 21, 2003 11:38 am

Actually, given the controversy over Mama Silver, I shall recommend Scott Cunningham.

However, I've read some of Silver (I'm hooked on her Witches' Chillers series) and she's not TOO bad...
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Post by Ojamajo_LimePie » Tue Oct 21, 2003 2:42 pm

I'm an Eclectic Wiccan. But I can't actually practice my religion outside of my thoughts, though. My family is ultra-conservative Baptist. I have to keep my mouth shut about a lot of things around them.
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Post by Jed-kun » Tue Oct 21, 2003 2:59 pm

Ojamajo, you need to talk to Parakiss, he has the same problem!

Anyway, I'm sorta wiccan, but I'm more likly going to become a Kabalist when I go to college and start to study it more. I'm really into the Kabala now, and it acctually makes a lot of sence. Not to offend anybody, but the christian bible kinda ... destroyes the old texts and mistranslates/ misuses them. The Kabala (from what I've been able to reasearch) acctually ties closesly with the Wiccan beliefes, they are strikingly simmular.
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Post by Anthy » Tue Oct 21, 2003 4:35 pm

I'm very open to any sort of religion. ^^ I have many Wiccan friends, and I get most of my understanding of Wiccanism from them. I have a high respect for those who are actually pursuing the religion.

However, I do have something against those who are following it as a fad. I'm not accusing all Wiccans of following a fad at all, but there's this one group at my school who claim they're Wiccan but seem to know nothing about it. They use the label to scare people, I guess. I'm not sure, really. It makes me sad that they make the more devoted followers look bad. Aside from a small group of morons, I really like you Wiccans. ^^
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Post by ParaKiss_Groupie » Tue Oct 21, 2003 4:41 pm

Yay! Anthy likes us!!!!!!!

I'm a Wiccan, and another of my friends is, but that's all that I know personally. What's ironic is that I used to be an EXTREMELY devout Christian. The word reincarnation offended me. But, as time went on, I was turned off from Christianity more and more (I don't feel that I should be afraid to NOT worship God, if he is loving and just.) I began to research other religions, and I found out about Wicca. I had always liked the witches that you can see on TV and movies, but I did know that that wasn't the same as Wicca. While studying the religion, I began to connect with it. Reincarnation makes more sense to me, now that I've taken the time to understand it. The principles of Wicca were principles of my life before (I'm a huge environmentalist, so loving the Earth has always been big with me). And that's how I became a Wicca. I know another girl who says she's Wicca, but she doesn't know anything about it. She threatends to curse people all the time, and just pulls a lot of shit that gives the rest of us a bad name. So, I don't consider her to be a Wicca, because she's also the kind of person who only does things because their fads. So, it's just me and my friend.
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Post by Emma » Tue Oct 21, 2003 5:10 pm

I am very proud to be Wiccian. And my husband is totally supportive on the path I want to be on. I have only been Wiccian for two months but even before then I was always questioning why do I feel so close to nature. I love the Earth and I believe in the goddess personally. For me I pratice a lot on medatation. I have trouble sometimes I keeping my mind focused. I really don't do spells if I do they are calming spells *look what I do for a living* or when I move into a new place I do a cleansing spell. But one question I do have. I know some Wiccian's get renewed strength in being in the one place they feel close to "The Lord and Lady" but with me the only place I feel so close and feel to full of engery is when I'm on the beach or near water. What does that mean?

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Post by Jed-kun » Tue Oct 21, 2003 5:24 pm

From what I understand, people who tie in with nature tend to be particullarly connected to a certain element. Perhaps your element is water.
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Post by FoxFire » Tue Oct 21, 2003 5:36 pm

Jusenkyo no Pikachu wrote:Actually, given the controversy over Mama Silver, I shall recommend Scott Cunningham.

However, I've read some of Silver (I'm hooked on her Witches' Chillers series) and she's not TOO bad...
Just curious, what controversy is there? I've never read Teen Witch cause it wasn't published back when I was a teen and first interested in Wicca, but I did read To Ride a Silver Broomstick and I thought that was pretty good.

I do agree with recommending Scott Cunningham, he's the best.
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Post by Jed-kun » Tue Oct 21, 2003 5:47 pm

Scott Cuningham IS the best, I'm holding one of his books for Parakiss till he get's out of his house... isn't he dead though?

:: Side Note :: Though I love Harry Potter (someone was talking about this ont he other thread) J.K. Rowling dosn't do her research well enough! My main problem is with Avra Kadavra. It is an ancient Kabalistic protection spell, NOT A CURSE OF DEATH! :: end of side note ::

I find it odd that Wicca dosn't believe in evil/an evil entity, which is the main reason I switched from following Wiccan beliefs to researching Kabalistic ones. (Kabala is Jewish Mysticism, so dose it fit in this topic or am I continuing to be "off topic"?)
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Post by FoxFire » Tue Oct 21, 2003 6:00 pm

Jed-kun wrote:Scott Cuningham IS the best, I'm holding one of his books for Parakiss till he get's out of his house... isn't he dead though?
Yes he is, unfortunately, he passed in 1993, a few years before I first started reading about Wicca.
:: Side Note :: Though I love Harry Potter (someone was talking about this ont he other thread) J.K. Rowling dosn't do her research well enough! My main problem is with Avra Kadavra. It is an ancient Kabalistic protection spell, NOT A CURSE OF DEATH! :: end of side note ::
She might have intended it that way. She does do her research, but it's also her own world, and she's altered some elements from out there traditionally are in folklore.
I find it odd that Wicca dosn't believe in evil/an evil entity, which is the main reason I switched from following Wiccan beliefs to researching Kabalistic ones. (Kabala is Jewish Mysticism, so dose it fit in this topic or am I continuing to be "off topic"?)
Well I'm not a mod here so I can't comment on whether its off-topic or not, but I think it fits the topic. I've also researched Kabala, though I'm into the hermetic form and prefer the Q spelling cause that's how hermetic Qabalists usually spell it. There are many Wiccans into Kabala/Qabala instead. There's a book called The Witches Qabala by Ellen Cannon Reed about mixing Wicca and Qabala which I've read and it's good.
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Post by Anthy » Tue Oct 21, 2003 7:18 pm

Eh, you're on topic enough, Jed-kun. When we start talking about our favorite colors on a topic about Snapple, then I'll yell at you. ^^

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Post by NameGoesHere » Tue Oct 21, 2003 9:54 pm

I have researched Wicca to an extent and I find many of its principals coincide with my own beliefs of life, even though I'm a Christian (though not the most traditional of them ^^;). I can understand why Wiccans would be ridiculed by some, seeing as even I have been ridiculed for being a Christian and merely researching Wicca.
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