Homosexuality

Post by **Tiff** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 6:40 pm

peachvampiress wrote:
I don't know what Christian religion you are, so you might not be able to answer my question, but didn't the pope and all the higher ups say that civil union is okay, because I know a lot of Catholics support gays having civil union.

He's mormon...and he just said he supported civil union..o_O; I don't get where you're coming from.

No, look back at attitudes towards sex, respect for others, and responsibility back then and today. Decades ago people saved sex for marriage (which has been proven to help a marriage last longer), people were more considerate of other people and were responsibile for the choices that they make. Now look at today's soceity... *SNIP*

What's to stop things we think are wrong and immoral today from becoming socially acceptable in twenty years?

Thank you. You said a lot of what I was trying to. Attitudes toward marriage and sex were FAR different...

Ni-ban Neko · Post by **Ni-ban Neko** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 6:41 pm

peachvampiress wrote:AnimeGuru0
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I don't know what Christian religion you are, so you might not be able to answer my question, but didn't the pope and all the higher ups say that civil union is okay, because I know a lot of Catholics support gays having civil union.

The Pope has said no to civil unions. This is a long article from the Holy See, but it explains the Catholic Church's official stance on the matter: Click here.

I don't think that stance will change for a very long time.

peachvampiress · Post by **peachvampiress** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 6:54 pm

Tiff

He's mormon...and he just said he supported civil union..o_O; I don't get where you're coming from.

I didn't mean it like that. I didn't know what religion he was (it was obviously a branch of Christianity). I was just wondering if he knew something about something the Catholic Church said.

I didn't want it to sound like "Oh you're (insert branch of Christianity), you don't know what we (Catholics) believe, but if you do answer my question." Sorry, I have a bad way with words ^^;.

Artemis Lover · Post by **Artemis Lover** » Sat Jun 19, 2004 12:52 am

Yeah, I think that all of the crap about homosexuals is just that... crap. It's just another stereotype (I'm a blonde, so I get stereotyped often), and I really don't see what say the government has in whom you marry.

ParaKiss_Groupie · Post by **ParaKiss_Groupie** » Sat Jun 19, 2004 1:00 am

Artemis Lover wrote:Yeah, I think that all of the crap about homosexuals is just that... crap. It's just another stereotype (I'm a blonde, so I get stereotyped often), and I really don't see what say the government has in whom you marry.

Well see, I'm divided on the issue. Upon really thinking, there needs to be government control. Without it, who's to say that a father marrying his son/daughter is acceptable? While yes, that is an extreme, it's still a possibility. And to say that I should be allowed to marry (though it's wrong in the eyes of many) would be hypocritical, because I don't think that incest is acceptable. So, I've decided to just go with the flow of things. If I ever feel that I'm ready and willing for marriage, I'll find a way. Or, I'll do like the millions of gay couples before me, and live without. Maybe that's being apathetic, but it's the best thing to do, IMO.

RoastedTwinkies · Post by **RoastedTwinkies** » Sat Jun 19, 2004 1:05 am

ParaKiss_Groupie wrote:
Artemis Lover wrote:Yeah, I think that all of the crap about homosexuals is just that... crap. It's just another stereotype (I'm a blonde, so I get stereotyped often), and I really don't see what say the government has in whom you marry.
Well see, I'm divided on the issue. Upon really thinking, there needs to be government control. Without it, who's to say that a father marrying his son/daughter is acceptable? While yes, that is an extreme, it's still a possibility. And to say that I should be allowed to marry (though it's wrong in the eyes of many) would be hypocritical, because I don't think that incest is acceptable. So, I've decided to just go with the flow of things. If I ever feel that I'm ready and willing for marriage, I'll find a way. Or, I'll do like the millions of gay couples before me, and live without. Maybe that's being apathetic, but it's the best thing to do, IMO.

I also agree with that. Because if the government allows gay marriages, other types of marriages will eventually surface as well. Not only will incest marriages arise, but also mulitple marriages will arise as well. At the far extreme case, what if a hick on a farm somewhere decides that he wants to marry his chicken? I'm not trying to put words in other peoples mouths, but I think that we can all agree that it just isn't acceptable.

Post by **Tiff** » Sat Jun 19, 2004 1:12 am

ParaKiss_Groupie wrote:
Well see, I'm divided on the issue. Upon really thinking, there needs to be government control. Without it, who's to say that a father marrying his son/daughter is acceptable? While yes, that is an extreme, it's still a possibility. And to say that I should be allowed to marry (though it's wrong in the eyes of many) would be hypocritical, because I don't think that incest is acceptable. So, I've decided to just go with the flow of things. If I ever feel that I'm ready and willing for marriage, I'll find a way. Or, I'll do like the millions of gay couples before me, and live without. Maybe that's being apathetic, but it's the best thing to do, IMO.

I'm in agreement as well.

think about it. If we lived in an ideal world, people would inherently know what's morally "right" and "wrong", and we wouldn't need government laws on anything, including marriage. But we DON'T live in that world. Instead, we live in a world with free will, and people are going to have extremely different views on what's acceptable and what isn't. So if Farmer Brown thinks it's okay to marry his chicken (Thanks, RoastedTwinkies XD), should he be able to? That's why we HAVE government. It's a very complex and hairy issue, and it simply cannot be solved by just saying "LEAVE THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF IT COMPLETELY!". So I agree with Parakisu. Go with the flow. Find a way to make your dreams come true however you can.

peachvampiress · Post by **peachvampiress** » Sat Jun 19, 2004 2:49 am

RoastedTwinkies

At the far extreme case, what if a hick on a farm somewhere decides that he wants to marry his chicken?

0_____o; Thank you Twinkies for giving me a very disturbing image of some random hick who we shall refer to as "The Chicken Lover".

I too agree with what you said, but I'm to tired now to add anything

(maybe tomorrow

).

RoastedTwinkies · Post by **RoastedTwinkies** » Sat Jun 19, 2004 3:07 am

I'm very sorry if I had offended anyone. I'll make sure to put that behind spoiler tags next time.

Dinozore · Post by **Dinozore** » Sat Jun 19, 2004 3:21 am

peachvampiress wrote:0_____o; Thank you Twinkies for giving me a very disturbing image of some random hick who we shall refer to as "The Chicken Lover".

Well, I do recall that there was something involving a man and a chicken in Africa fairly recently. I'd have to dig up the thread at the snopes board to remember the rest.

RoastedTwinkies · Post by **RoastedTwinkies** » Sat Jun 19, 2004 3:33 am

Dinozore wrote:
peachvampiress wrote:0_____o; Thank you Twinkies for giving me a very disturbing image of some random hick who we shall refer to as "The Chicken Lover".
Well, I do recall that there was something involving a man and a chicken in Africa fairly recently. I'd have to dig up the thread at the snopes board to remember the rest.

Do not read this if you were offended by my last post above.

[spoiler]I remember reading about that too. A man was caught doing it with a chicken and he was so humiliated that he committed suicide before he could get arrested. The chicken he messed around with was then destroyed. Poor chicken. I bet the little guy was scarred for life before he got destroyed. That's just disgusting. I can't believe someone would do that for real.[/spoiler]

*ahem* back on topic now.

yoshmaster5 · Post by **yoshmaster5** » Sat Jun 19, 2004 7:59 am

"The Chicken Lover".

there's a south park episode with that happening, and the guy loving the chickens is just trying to get a cop to read. XD

on-topic though..

VERY good points everyone, even if it is completely outlawed, people will still find a way.

peachvampiress · Post by **peachvampiress** » Sat Jun 19, 2004 1:07 pm

Oh no, sorry Roasted Twinkies, I was just kidding

The line I quoted actually made me laugh. Heh heh, sorry ^^;

RoastedTwinkies · Post by **RoastedTwinkies** » Sat Jun 19, 2004 2:02 pm

peachvampiress wrote:Oh no, sorry Roasted Twinkies, I was just kidding The line I quoted actually made me laugh. Heh heh, sorry ^^;

Ah, don't worry about it! As you probably picked up by now, I often take things far too seriously.

ShanSunflower · Post by **ShanSunflower** » Sun Jun 20, 2004 8:02 am

I'm pansexual.
(click that link if you don't know what the word means)

I've been through similar things bisexuals have been through (like "pick one gender!"). If you think people think that being attracted to the same sex is disgusting, you should hear some of the hatred I get for being attracted to people who do not fall under the traditional ideas of "male" and "female".

Tempest · Post by **Tempest** » Sun Jun 20, 2004 11:16 am

ShanSunflower wrote:I'm pansexual.
(click that link if you don't know what the word means)

I've been through similar things bisexuals have been through (like "pick one gender!"). If you think people think that being attracted to the same sex is disgusting, you should hear some of the hatred I get for being attracted to people who do not fall under the traditional ideas of "male" and "female".

Ohh. That's the first time I've heard of pansexual. Though I can't relate to have liked a few of the pansexual qualifications, I do have a slight thing for transvestites. Perfectly straight guys who aren't afraid to wear cherry red lip-stick and eye-liner. Howt. And no, that wasn't a joke. Oo; Which probably explains my attraction to Benton from CyberCity Oedo and Eddie Izzard.

peachvampiress · Post by **peachvampiress** » Sun Jun 20, 2004 1:18 pm

Tempest

I do have a slight thing for transvestites. Perfectly straight guys who aren't afraid to wear cherry red lip-stick and eye-liner. Howt. And no, that wasn't a joke. Oo; Which probably explains my attraction to Benton from CyberCity Oedo and Eddie Izzard.

You're not alone Tempest, I do to ~_^. Although I prefer straight guys who don't look like freaks when they crossdress (by freaks I mean wearing clothes, wigs [God I hate wigs -_-], and/or makeup that does NOT suit them). Also I prefer them to be all natural. You know, no surgery or implants :shivers:

O/T Tempest, is it me, or is it hard to find straight crossdressers T_T O/t

RoastedTwinkies · Post by **RoastedTwinkies** » Sun Jun 20, 2004 1:55 pm

Do metrosexuals count? I like straight guys who actually put time into their appearance. I hate the whole macho thing that most guys do. I absoutely hate it when guys wear those big shirts and those super baggy pants that they wear low on their waist to show off their boxers. It's a huge turn off for me. I do love it when guys wear nice, preppy clothes that actually fit them, and show off their physique a little bit.

ParaKiss_Groupie · Post by **ParaKiss_Groupie** » Sun Jun 20, 2004 2:40 pm

RoastedTwinkies wrote:Do metrosexuals count? I like straight guys who actually put time into their appearance. I hate the whole macho thing that most guys do. I absoutely hate it when guys wear those big shirts and those super baggy pants that they wear low on their waist to show off their boxers. It's a huge turn off for me. I do love it when guys wear nice, preppy clothes that actually fit them, and show off their physique a little bit.

That would make you heterosexual. Being a metrosexual doesn't have anything to do with a guy's sexuality. It's called that because most people think that any guy who takes the time to groom himself is gay. It's just an aggravating stereotype.

Back on topic now.

Post by **Tiff** » Sun Jun 20, 2004 2:43 pm

ParaKiss_Groupie wrote:
That would make you heterosexual. Being a metrosexual doesn't have anything to do with a guy's sexuality. It's called that because most people think that any guy who takes the time to groom himself is gay. It's just an aggravating stereotype.

Back on topic now.

Hear, hear. I concur.