...words escape me.

Rainbow · Post by **Rainbow** » Sun Dec 07, 2003 6:23 pm

J Anderson wrote:It's not unusual for a fried chicken brand to have a cartoon chicken for a mascot. It's also like that old SNL bit(think Steve Martin era) where a cartoon chicken not only pushes a fried chicken restaurant, but outlines the entire process from cooking to the... digestion.

True, but the one I was referring to shows the chicken EATING chicken. It was along the same lines as the pig ones.

Post by **Tiff** » Sun Dec 07, 2003 9:55 pm

Starscream wrote:
Anyways, for those who don't understand the sign:

Christians believe that that everyone is born with the "stain" of Adam and Eve's original sin, and that it's with the blessing of Baptism that we are forgiven of that (please, no flames). Now, we also believe that the Virgin Mary's birth was an "Immaculate Conception" i.e, that from the moment she was conceived, she was freed from sin, original or otherwise. No one else - not even Jesus - was born like this.

The sign uses the other definition of the word "Conception" as in "idea"; thus, the idea of going Vegetarian as a "Sinless Idea". It's a play on words, so to speak, but the idea that they would put the two (a person born without sin versus not eating meat) at the same level is, to me (and perhaps others, Christian or otherwise) appalling.

Thank you. I totally needed someone to clear that up for me, and I'm sure a lot of other people did, too.

Jed-kun · Post by **Jed-kun** » Mon Dec 08, 2003 7:35 pm

"Immaculate Conception" wasn't refering to the conception of Mary, but to Mary's conception of Jesus. Though your explanation did help clear it up for me some, thanks Starscream

Starscream · Post by **Starscream** » Tue Dec 09, 2003 6:20 am

No, it's the conception of Mary.

Mary NEEDED to be born free from sin so that she could be the Mother of Jesus, God made flesh (I went to church yesterday to celebrate the feast of the Immaculate Conception, so I'm quite sure that's what it's celebrating).

Rainbow · Post by **Rainbow** » Tue Dec 09, 2003 6:57 am

I've always heard that Jesus was born by immaculate conception, since she's called the "Virgin Mother." But I could be wrong...maybe one Christian group says Mary had the immaculate birth and another says Jesus did?

Starscream · Post by **Starscream** » Tue Dec 09, 2003 11:43 am

Well, Jesus, too, was born free from sin, but that's a whole other discussion due to the fact that Christians believe he is God incarnate. However, the Immaculate Conception is, and always has been, in reference to Mary's birth, freed from sin. No distinction is made of such a birth for Jesus because, again, he is believed to be God made flesh, and we believe that God is sinless, ergo Jesus is.

Jed-kun · Post by **Jed-kun** » Tue Dec 09, 2003 12:43 pm

Hmmm, I guess we either have different versions [which really bothers me that there are "versions", but that's a totally different topic] or I misread it. The bible can be kinda cryptic at times.

Rainbow · Post by **Rainbow** » Tue Dec 09, 2003 2:13 pm

Jed-kun wrote:Hmmm, I guess we either have different versions [which really bothers me that there are "versions", but that's a totally different topic] or I misread it. The bible can be kinda cryptic at times.

And that's why I asked if different Christian sects had different versions of the Immaculate Conception. The different versions might be for different sects, like how Protestants and Catholics have different beliefs.

Post by **Tiff** » Tue Dec 09, 2003 2:22 pm

Starscream wrote:No, it's the conception of Mary.

Mary NEEDED to be born free from sin so that she could be the Mother of Jesus, God made flesh (I went to church yesterday to celebrate the feast of the Immaculate Conception, so I'm quite sure that's what it's celebrating).

Starscream is correct. The dictionary states as follows:

im·mac·u·late ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-mky-lt)
adj.
Impeccably clean; spotless. See Synonyms at clean.
Free from stain or blemish; pure.
Free from fault or error: an immaculate record.
Having no markings.

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[Middle English immaculat, from Latin immacultus : in-, not; see in-1 + macultus, past participle of maculre, to blemish (from macula, spot).]
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im·macu·late·ly adv.
im·macu·late·ness n.

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immaculate

\Im*mac"u*late\, a. [L. immaculatus; pref. im- not + maculatus, p. p. of maculare to spot, stane, fr. macula spot. See Mail armor.] Without stain or blemish; spotless; undefiled; clear; pure.

Were but my soul as pure From other guilt as that, Heaven did not hold One more immaculate. --Denham.

Thou sheer, immaculate and silver fountain. --Shak.

Immaculate conception (R. C. Ch.), the doctrine that the Virgin Mary was conceived without original sin. -- Im*mac"u*late*ly, adv. -- Im*mac"u*late*ness, n.

So there we have it.

Rainbow · Post by **Rainbow** » Tue Dec 09, 2003 2:27 pm

That's interesting, I've never heard that before. Thanks for clearing that up.