...words escape me.

Parallax · Post by **Parallax** » Thu Dec 04, 2003 4:25 pm

PETA has just made a new enemy....ME!!!!!!!

I'm EXTREMELY pissed at PETA because PETA's billboard and their website are just wrong on so many levels!!!! My tagline says it all.

Jeff · Post by **Jeff** » Thu Dec 04, 2003 4:26 pm

I don't understand what going vegatarian has to do with immaculate conception.

Using the bible to promote vegatarianism is stupid. People should not eat animals because they feel it's wrong, not because some all-powerful being says so. However, people do feel very strongly about the injustices being done to animals. To us (vegatarians), it IS murder. It's worse than the Holocaust, it's the worst and most disgusting thing that ever happened. You may not share these views, but pretend that this is happening to humans. Wouldn't you use any means necessary, even if they weren't really logical, to stop it?

All that article really did to me was make me sad. I hate how the human race seems to think this world is ours to rape. When I look at a cow, or a chicken or pig, or an ant, I see something similar to myself. I can't bear the thought that some animals are born into the hands of murderers.

Something that I also resent is the passiveness of others on this subject. People say things such as "Oh, PETA is stupid. Their plans suck.", and say they believe in animal rights, yet eat meat. I won't get into this here, I'll make another topic.

Post by **Tiff** » Thu Dec 04, 2003 4:31 pm

Jeff:
With me, personally, I'm not mad at PETA as a whole for their cause. This crap about comparing vegetarianism to immaculate conception, however, is what upsets me.
You and PETA have every right in the world to be vegetarian and to believe that killing animals fo rmeat is murder. That's your perogative. But it is also our right to disagree, and to eat meat.

People should not eat animals because they feel it's wrong, not because some all-powerful being says so

You said that wonderfully yourself: becuase they FEEL it's wrong. The fact that PETA is now aiming at religion as a cuase not to eat meat is just, IMO, plain stupid.

Jed-kun · Post by **Jed-kun** » Thu Dec 04, 2003 5:24 pm

It may be desterbing, but it IS their right. It can't be "burned" or taken down. They payed for the space and if we start making exceptions to the right to Freedom of Speach then when will it stop. Also, Mary may [or may not] have been a Saint, but she was also a real person and considering that she was female and the time she was born into... she would have held a dead chicken many times, however, the comparison to Imaculate Conception still escapes my grasp of understanding.

Starscream · Post by **Starscream** » Thu Dec 04, 2003 7:29 pm

It's not even using religious beliefs or Bible quotes to support their cause that gets me - like I said before, people have the right to believe whatever they want about eating meat. And I don't care that they said that Jesus was a vegetarian; if they have proof that he was, more power too them. And yes, they have freedom of speech and the right to say whatever they want however they want...but they're comparing a way of eating to a divine miracle (gah, I'm repeating myself, gomen ><).

It's VERY bad taste and sacreligious, and yes, they DO have the right to say that...but it's quite lacking in the common sense department to do such a thing, knowing that you may very well enrage the groups you are trying to convince to go vegetarian.

</rant for tonight...this may have been a bit harsher than normal due to a very bad Mario Kart: Double Dash session>

Post by **Tiff** » Thu Dec 04, 2003 8:15 pm

I'm in total agreement with Starscream
Jed-kun, it's not that we're saying they don't have the right...it's just that it's sacreligious and offensive, is all. We're expressing our right to rant and vent about it, so some of you, try not to get so defensive ^^;

J Anderson · Post by **J Anderson** » Fri Dec 05, 2003 2:31 pm

PETA's been digging into old Nazi Germany propaganda files for ideas, it looks like. This is barely a step down from PETA members committing murder to try and further their cause(which I have no doubt a few of their members would be crazy enough to do).

Anthy · Post by **Anthy** » Fri Dec 05, 2003 3:51 pm

J Anderson wrote:PETA's been digging into old Nazi Germany propaganda files for ideas, it looks like. This is barely a step down from PETA members committing murder to try and further their cause(which I have no doubt a few of their members would be crazy enough to do).

They do more harm than good. Vadalizing buildings just takes away money that the government could use to better the Humane Society and various other animal shelters, PETA.

Jed-kun · Post by **Jed-kun** » Fri Dec 05, 2003 8:13 pm

Tiff wrote:I'm in total agreement with Starscream
Jed-kun, it's not that we're saying they don't have the right...it's just that it's sacreligious and offensive, is all. We're expressing our right to rant and vent about it, so some of you, try not to get so defensive ^^;

Oh! No, no, no I didn't mean to sound defencive, sorry. I, too, find it offensive and in very bad taste. However, it seemed to me that some people thought that just 'cause it's tacky and bad form ment that they had the right to dispose of it... I just got a little worried. Once again, sorry if I sounded defencive/pissed.

Post by **Tiff** » Fri Dec 05, 2003 9:02 pm

Jed-kun wrote: Oh! No, no, no I didn't mean to sound defencive, sorry. I, too, find it offensive and in very bad taste. However, it seemed to me that some people thought that just 'cause it's tacky and bad form ment that they had the right to dispose of it... I just got a little worried. Once again, sorry if I sounded defencive/pissed.

No, quite all right ^^ I just didn't want this to turn into an argument.

NameGoesHere · Post by **NameGoesHere** » Sat Dec 06, 2003 11:41 pm

Starscream wrote:It's not even using religious beliefs or Bible quotes to support their cause that gets me - like I said before, people have the right to believe whatever they want about eating meat. *snip*

Your post summed it up well for me, Starscream.

It is their right to say what they want, believe what they want, eat what they want, whatever. But what they did was in very poor taste, very disrespectful, and it will most likely enrage many people.

They seem to be lacking in common sense if they think that this will gain them a lot of support, especially from Christians.

Jeff · Post by **Jeff** » Sat Dec 06, 2003 11:56 pm

Although I still don't understand it, this billboard doesn't seem any worse than the numerous BBQ restaurants that feature pigs cooking themselves or eating ribs.

Post by **Tiff** » Sun Dec 07, 2003 1:35 am

Jeff wrote:Although I still don't understand it, this billboard doesn't seem any worse than the numerous BBQ restaurants that feature pigs cooking themselves or eating ribs.

*shrug* I agree. I think those signs are pretty damn disgusting. But those don't aim at religion...that's where the difference lies.

Starscream · Post by **Starscream** » Sun Dec 07, 2003 8:19 am

Jeff wrote:Although I still don't understand it, this billboard doesn't seem any worse than the numerous BBQ restaurants that feature pigs cooking themselves or eating ribs.

What? I've never seen this...well, it just goes to show you that even those that WANT you to eat meat also lack common sense. I mean, a pig eating itself? Sure, I'll go there! *retches*

Jed-kun · Post by **Jed-kun** » Sun Dec 07, 2003 11:36 am

Tiff wrote:
Jeff wrote:Although I still don't understand it, this billboard doesn't seem any worse than the numerous BBQ restaurants that feature pigs cooking themselves or eating ribs.
*shrug* I agree. I think those signs are pretty damn disgusting. But those don't aim at religion...that's where the difference lies.

Nope, just canabalism. I think that those signs are even worse because not everybody holds those religious beliefes, so it's not sacralige to everybody. But pretty much everybody know's that it's wrong and just plain disgusting to eat your own kind. The only difference it that it's animals who are eating eachother rather than poeple.

Post by **Tiff** » Sun Dec 07, 2003 12:37 pm

Jed-kun wrote: Nope, just canabalism. I think that those signs are even worse because not everybody holds those religious beliefes, so it's not sacralige to everybody. But pretty much everybody know's that it's wrong and just plain disgusting to eat your own kind. The only difference it that it's animals who are eating eachother rather than poeple.

Dude, I just SAID it was disgusting. I KNOW what cannibalism is, and I agree.
I'm just stating the difference. The difference is religion. I'm not saying the Virgin Mary sign is any worse. Lordy...

This isn't going to turn into an argument over eating meat vs. not eating meat, people, so let's not start that, ok?

Rainbow · Post by **Rainbow** » Sun Dec 07, 2003 12:59 pm

Jeff wrote:Although I still don't understand it, this billboard doesn't seem any worse than the numerous BBQ restaurants that feature pigs cooking themselves or eating ribs.

Nope. I agree with Tiff. The cannibalism signs have nothing to do with people's religions, which can be EXTREMELY important to people. I think the cannibalism signs are supposed to mean that their product is so good that even animals who would be cannibals for eating it would eat it. I've seen a similar thing on a chicken restaurant chain's sign. Advertisers will do weird things to attract people--it's part of the business.

Jed-kun · Post by **Jed-kun** » Sun Dec 07, 2003 2:14 pm

Sorry, I wasn't trying to start a "Meat vs. Non-meat war" or anyting, I was just trying to express my opinion that canabalism signs are worse than that one. I feel this way because Mary probably did hold a dead chicken at some point, whether she was glowing or not I'm not sure, but I doubt that a pig ever walked into Applebe's and said "Emmm! Baby back rib's". I think both type of signs are bad and in very poor taste.

I still don't get the chicken/imaculate conception thing they had going on, 'cause chicken's produce eggs without men... but they arn't fertalized so no young would be produced.

J Anderson · Post by **J Anderson** » Sun Dec 07, 2003 2:51 pm

It's not unusual for a fried chicken brand to have a cartoon chicken for a mascot. It's also like that old SNL bit(think Steve Martin era) where a cartoon chicken not only pushes a fried chicken restaurant, but outlines the entire process from cooking to the... digestion.

Starscream · Post by **Starscream** » Sun Dec 07, 2003 4:17 pm

J Anderson wrote:It's not unusual for a fried chicken brand to have a cartoon chicken for a mascot. It's also like that old SNL bit(think Steve Martin era) where a cartoon chicken not only pushes a fried chicken restaurant, but outlines the entire process from cooking to the... digestion.

That was a particularly disgusting sketch...I couldn't eat KFC for a month after that >< Heck, I still don't go there, but that's because all the greasy fried coating makes me sick :(

Anyways, for those who don't understand the sign:

Christians believe that that everyone is born with the "stain" of Adam and Eve's original sin, and that it's with the blessing of Baptism that we are forgiven of that (please, no flames). Now, we also believe that the Virgin Mary's birth was an "Immaculate Conception" i.e, that from the moment she was conceived, she was freed from sin, original or otherwise. No one else - not even Jesus - was born like this.

The sign uses the other definition of the word "Conception" as in "idea"; thus, the idea of going Vegetarian as a "Sinless Idea". It's a play on words, so to speak, but the idea that they would put the two (a person born without sin versus not eating meat) at the same level is, to me (and perhaps others, Christian or otherwise) appalling.