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Post by denizenofevil » Thu May 31, 2007 6:20 pm

Hi ya'll! Just out of curiosity, what do you think about the candidates running for president and who do you think you'll vote for assuming that you're old enough?

I think that i'll be voting for Mitt Romney just because i agree with his views and he has many other admirable qualities.

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Post by Senshi_of_Vision » Thu May 31, 2007 8:10 pm

Honestly I still have not decided, though my vote will most likely be for a liberal canidate I am still weighing in on who I feel is worthy of me standing on the lines at the polls. My family is in a big debate about the two main canidates they want to choose between. And to me their reasonings are abit childish to me and ive pointed it out. They are going to vote because of race or gender persuations instead of truly knowing what the candidates are about and to me its wrong. Now im not saying I dont like either of the picks but until I know enough about all their stances I cant officially say who out of the two of them if I even choose one or the other id vote for.

So for now im on the fence id just like to see a person who will deal with more social issues and revamp our economic system so that hard working people dont get reamed so much by taxes and the like. Someone who can diplomatically handle world affairs but not make them our top priority when this country still has alot of its own issues to work out. In the past ive voted bi partisan and id do it again if the candidate running can show he or she knows what they are doing. Right now though no one seems to grab me and im still reading on different candidates policies to decide anything.
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Post by AnimeGuru0 » Thu May 31, 2007 9:54 pm

I'm also a huge fan of Mitt Romney. However, my hunches lead me to believe that after a very unpopular president bush, a democrat will win the white house.....

Nonetheless I'll vote for Romney =)

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Post by Jeff » Thu May 31, 2007 10:35 pm

As a former resident of Massachusetts I feel qualified to say that I absolutely do not like Mitt Romney.

Quote that made me go stone cold: "I am glad [detainees] are at Guantanamo. I don’t want them on our soil. I want them on Guantanamo, where they don’t get the access to lawyers they get when they’re on our soil. I don’t want them in our prisons, I want them there. Some people have said we ought to close Guantanamo. My view is we ought to double Guantanamo."

That said, I find the questions about his Mormon faith to be ridiculous, particularly the questions about polygamy.

I intend to support Barack Obama. Maybe I'm naive, and I do disagree with him on abortion issues, but I think he is the least corrupted/corruptable candidate in either major party. I also know many conservatives who, while disagreeing with him on significant issues, don't hate the man and find him rather charming. My fear is that a Hillary presidency could rip this country even further apart. I also don't like the idea of having a Bush, then a Clinton, then a Bush, then a Clinton... shall we only elect presidents from these two families from now on?

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Post by Senshi_of_Vision » Thu May 31, 2007 10:41 pm

Id like to support Obama but I still would like to see all sides to him instead of like my family is doing voting for him because he is african american. I asked my grandmother do you know any of his stances and she did not care that to me is scary. I dont want a president to be voted in just because of his skin color or just because she is female. Id like to see someone who will pull us out of the rut we are in, try to work the deficiet to where while it cant be fixed in their office will correct itself by the time the next president is in 8 years later. Its just sad that to me this election will once again be a popularity contest instead of people finally trying to put someone in that will be good for this country policy wise.
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Post by denizenofevil » Thu May 31, 2007 10:43 pm

Jeff wrote:As a former resident of Massachusetts I feel qualified to say that I absolutely do not like Mitt Romney.

Quote that made me go stone cold: "I am glad [detainees] are at Guantanamo. I don’t want them on our soil. I want them on Guantanamo, where they don’t get the access to lawyers they get when they’re on our soil. I don’t want them in our prisons, I want them there. Some people have said we ought to close Guantanamo. My view is we ought to double Guantanamo."

That said, I find the questions about his Mormon faith to be ridiculous, particularly the questions about polygamy.

I intend to support Barack Obama. Maybe I'm naive, and I do disagree with him on abortion issues, but I think he is the least corrupted/corruptable candidate in either major party. I also know many conservatives who, while disagreeing with him on significant issues, don't hate the man and find him rather charming. My fear is that a Hillary presidency could rip this country even further apart. I also don't like the idea of having a Bush, then a Clinton, then a Bush, then a Clinton... shall we only elect presidents from these two families from now on?
Are there any other reasons you don't like Romney or is it just that quote? I tend to think that everyone slips up and no one is perfect. I do agree that that quote is questionable though. I just tend to think that Romney has better standards and I like his policies about immigration, abortion and homosexual marriages. Of course, i'm only 16 so i don't really know much but what Guantanamo detainees? what's that about. sorry, i've never heard about this. I do tend to prefer Republicans just because i'm conservative.

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Post by Senshi_of_Vision » Thu May 31, 2007 10:50 pm

sometimes all it takes is one comment to show a side to a person that makes you not trust them to hold office. I had supported Kerry up until an interview where he said something along the lines of telling women we are going to protect them once more. Okay now if he had been running for office back in the 1950's maybe I would have swooned at that comment. But now adays when there are women overseas kicking as much ass as ever as soliders and the like I found his comment too out of touch for the majority of the people he would be running the country for and decided not to vote for him and Edwards because of that.

Guantanamo is a serious topic, while the thought of terrorism is scary, to me detaining "suspected" terrorist and treating them like animals is worst. And any canidate that can make a comment like that when tensions about that subject are high makes me wonder about his ability to be sensitive to all americans, because this country no matter how much people try to deny it is a melting pot and we need someone who can at least try to connect with the people they are trying to run the country for.
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Post by AnimeGuru0 » Thu May 31, 2007 11:18 pm

I'm curious as to when that quote was taken. Context (especially in terms of time) tells a whole heck of a lot about the whole story.

Also, as was previously mentioned, you can't really judge someone by one quote. If i judged everyone over 1 stupid thing they may or may not have said, I wouldn't talk to anyone.

I think Romney is a genuinely good guy, who is a proven leader.

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Post by Senshi_of_Vision » Thu May 31, 2007 11:24 pm

it was during an interview on good morning america I believe though it was about 4 years ago so I dont even remember the direct question they asked, Just knew it was about 911 and how he would handle terrorism and he basically said that about protecting women.

And while granted one quote shouldnt make you judge normal people a person running for office of a country that has people who are sensitive to such a subject you have to be careful whose feathers you ruffle. Im not saying I agree with Jeff on his feelings of Romney but as a presidential hopeful this is the scruntiny he will face.

Canidates who want my vote need to have some form of touch with the majority of the american public and not just cater to those who think as they do, though I know canidates like that are few and far between.
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Post by Aya Reiko » Fri Jun 01, 2007 12:18 am

Current poll numbers...

Hillary 35% - Obama 24% - Gore 13% - Edwards 12%
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Giuliani 26% - McCain 18% - Romney 10% - Thompson 10% - Gingrich 7%

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Current Poll Numbers/New Hampshire

Hillary 34% - Obama 22% - Edwards 18%
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Romney 30% - McCain 24% - Giuliani 21% - Thompson 7%
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Post by Jeff » Fri Jun 01, 2007 12:21 am

Mitt Romney made the statement I quoted above during the second national Republican debate (May 15th, Columbia, South Carolina). The candidates were asked about torture, and Romney's comment was met with applause. Other candidates also expressed support for torture (Tom Tancredo said he would be like 24's Jack Bauer). So it wasn't really a matter of it being a slip-up. I don't support the United States' use of torture.

Denizenofevil: I am afraid that I wouldn't be able to sufficiently answer your question about Guantanamo without going seriously off-topic, and I'm afraid it's a topic that gets me worked up as well, so here is a link to its Wikipedia article. I suggest you read it; it's an important issue: Guantanamo

Of course, this isn't the only reason my vote will never go to Romney. I don't know where his true beliefs lay, but I do know that when he was running for election as a senator of Massachusetts, he told the Log Cabin Republicans that he would be more supportive of gay rights than Ted Kennedy. This was in 1994, and he has since had a "change of heart." He was also considered a pro-choice candidate when he was elected as the Governor of Massachusetts (I'm pro-life so this is a non-issue for me, but troubling nonetheless).

I don't want to turn this into an attack on Romney, but these are the reasons that I won't support him. I also find his support for the death penalty to be hugely incongruous with his pro-life stance. However, even if Romney aligned exactly with my beliefs on social issues (which none of the candidates do), I would not vote for him because of his views on torture.

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Post by Neon Heart » Fri Jun 01, 2007 9:55 am

I'm mixed on my choice. When I register to vote, if I can do so before the actual elections (I turn 18 this October), I'll try to get a vote in for Hillary Clinton. I believe she can do a lot for women's rights, and I'm hoping she'll be able to get our troops home. I also think she's a strong, tough woman and a great example for women everywhere.

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Post by Senshi_of_Vision » Fri Jun 01, 2007 8:35 pm

LOL Neon, the Bill asside the only thing Hillary has that appeals to me is her stance on trying to get the country universal health care. I still dont understand how the country can pander to big buisness insurance companies and let people specially hard working tax payers go without adequate health care and insurance. But if thats the only things she's got to interest me right now I still dont know if she'll get my vote. I really want someone who will work for the rest of us and not the 1 % of this country. Im sick of seeing rich people who already have it like they need it get tax breaks and the rest of us get reemed. Id also would like to see a president who focuses on this country cause last time I checked were electing them to take care of our problems.
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Post by AnimeGuru0 » Sat Jun 02, 2007 12:07 am

Universal Health Care >_> gross.....

And giving tax breaks to big businesses and stuff isn't pandering to the 1%, it's sound economic theory (the theory is that giving benefits to big businesses and stuff, that those benefits trickle down to the masses through more jobs, higher wages, etc etc, which i truly believe). It's capitalism vs. socialism. Yay capitalism, boo socialism. That's my stance.

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Post by smfan423 » Sat Jun 02, 2007 3:09 am

About universal health care, which is essientially social health care no matter how you package it, the service is poor, you have to wait many months (I remember one example that had 6 months to get a heart transplant), and your options are fewer to one as far as who you can go to. Anyway, moving on...
Senshi_of_Vision wrote:So for now im on the fence id just like to see a person who will deal with more social issues and revamp our economic system so that hard working people dont get reamed so much by taxes and the like. Someone who can diplomatically handle world affairs but not make them our top priority when this country still has alot of its own issues to work out. In the past ive voted bi partisan and id do it again if the candidate running can show he or she knows what they are doing. Right now though no one seems to grab me and im still reading on different candidates policies to decide anything.
Woah, do I have a candidate for you and one who actually studies the issues, follows the constitution, knows more about economies than most of Congress combined and probably many in the Federal Reserve and IRS. He will "reduce" (or push for reduction of) taxes, drop spending, abolish the IRS, and make the Fed useless by pulling our "worthless" currency back to a point where it can be backed by specie (gold/silver).

Further this guy is what can truthfully be called an honest politician for he says what he votes and he votes what the Constitution says are the bounds on Federal government

His name is Dr. Ron Paul and he is a Republican Congressional Representative from Texas. The number of his supporters grow everyday, he is a conservative of the old style of Republican (conservative, small government not the neo-con, new world order, big government), and he is very pro-states rights. Something that has little been heard of since before the Civil War. He is against Gun Control and is pro-life (though he would never support an amendment or law for the banning of Abortion because it should be decidied on a state by state basis seeing as how it is not for the federal government to decide domestic issues).
Senshi_of_Vision wrote:Its just sad that to me this election will once again be a popularity contest instead of people finally trying to put someone in that will be good for this country policy wise.
It doesn't have to be, a vote for Ron is a vote for Freedom, the Middle Class, disruption of the status quo, and the American way.

Ron Paul is a candidate who actually reads/listens to experts on the Middle East and the situation is a lot more complex than simply they hate us for our freedom (can you believe they actually admired us once, it is true at the early part of the 20th century).

He is against torture and he is a veteran having served as a flight surgeon during the 1960s in the Air Force. He is an OB/GYN who has delievered over 4,000 babies. He is a year older than McCain, but looks like he is 7 years or more younger.

Ron is against censorship of internet as well as other forms of media. He is a pro-liberty and pro-rights candidate.

I could go on, but it is rather late.

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Post by yoshmaster5 » Sat Jun 02, 2007 12:13 pm

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My stance:
It's too early to speculate. there's another 16 months before the election. I don't care right now.

As for Bob's thing...

That's Reaganomics/Trickle down... er... from my knowledge of history, it hasn't worked too well... with Reagan, teh national Debt skyrocketed... but that's all I know with his administration.
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Post by Senshi_of_Vision » Sat Jun 02, 2007 9:40 pm

Yeah I was too tired to respond to the capitilism thing last night. Being ive been on both sides of the economic coin going from middle class to now working poor, I just dont think it works as well as some believe. Im sorry big buisnesses are hardly providing jobs when they can now outsource to india for cheaper wages. Many families are working poor, which means they work if they are lucky jobs that give them close to 40 hours with no health benefits and can barely make ends meet.

And many have the attitude that poor families want to be that way and it bugs me. So many families struggle, and while their are some welfare programs out there many are hard to get on because of income so many dont bother. Even though they do not make enough to make ends meet half the time. And while I know there are people that take advantage of help, oOthers and many I know are too proud to ask for assistance just for the stigma it gets and they are suffering.

I think if the economic structure and social reform was added to our politians policy that this wouldnt be such a big issue. Having health benefits for yourself and your kids should not just go to people on welfare or people who are in a higher income bracket. what about people in the lower middle? To me they get screwed big time and its sucks.

As for Ron Paul im going to check out what I can about him im sure I can google him and if I like what I see he just may get my vote. I maybe mostly liberal but I really just want to see a president who thinks about all the american people. Sure its a pipe dream but who knows maybe one day people will stop allowing themselves to be spoonfed lies and propaganda and get a person in that will start setting things straight again.
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Post by smfan423 » Sat Jun 02, 2007 10:17 pm

Ron Paul is that person, but the battle will be uphill. I do have faith, though, in his message and in the American people and in my generation.

(he is easy to find on the net by the way)
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Post by Jonathan » Sun Oct 26, 2008 7:05 pm

This is gonna be such a historic election. The U.S. will either have a first black president, or a woman vice president. Either way, this is one for the record books.

I'm voting for Obama next month. I like his views, and if he intends to fulfill his promises (which he probably wont) things will be better than how they are now.

But even though I'm voting for him, and even though the polls say he's winning the race, I highly doubt he'll win. I don't think the US is ready for him. And if by some chance he actually does win, he'll probably be in office for a few days before they assassinate him (which they've already tried)

I'm all for Obama, but I doubt he'll get in. But if he loses, at least we'll have a hot vice president. lol
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Post by Umino » Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:41 am

I'm pissed because I never got around to register to vote. I told my sister, "make sure you vote for my sake". (We're both on Obama's side)

Honestly, I'm really worried Obama won't win. If Bush can get re-elected, there's a damn good chance Mccain will be the next president. I already decided if Obama loses, I'm moving to Italy. There is no way I'm gonna put up with Granpa and that idiot Sarah Palin for four years.

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