Todays social standards

[Senshi_of_Vision]

Exactly its as I posted before, working as a teen is a stepping stone to being an adult. It preps you for when you are older because by then you'll really have to earn a wage. Letting someone go out with their buds on the weekends is whats known as a privelage when your under 18 it may suck and it may not seem like its fair but its the way many parents are. Believe me I knew what it was like to hold a side job after school still get home in time to make sure my sisters did their homework and were in bed then get them and myself ready for school. But when pushed came to shove until june of 1995 I was still a kid.

And the doll thing I guess i'll never be mature I still collect and sometimes play with the dolls I collect because lets face it having an imagination doesnt have to go away just because your older and have responsibilities. It just means you cant do it all the time less ya get the weird stares 0.o

[Queen Of Hearts]

And the doll thing I guess i'll never be mature I still collect and sometimes play with the dolls I collect because lets face it having an imagination doesnt have to go away just because your older and have responsibilities. It just means you cant do it all the time less ya get the weird stares 0.o

I agree with you there....damn people....my baby is not a "Voodoo doll" she is a "Living dead doll"
Big difference.
I don't really play with her...I pet her...and use her to chase the preppy girls down the hall...its pretty fun X3

[Cardcaptor Takato]

This was most likely a computer error, but one time I bought a Sailor Moon DVD from Wal-Mart that they had on sale for $6. When the cashier rang it through, this alarm went off and she asked me if I was over 18. Apparently no one under 18 could buy it. /quote]Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought it was Walmart's policy that they didn't sell NC17 rated movies? I know for certain they at least don't sell uncensored cds or is it just different with Canadian Walmarts?

[peachvampiress]

Cardcaptor Takato

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought it was Walmart's policy that they didn't sell NC17 rated movies? I know for certain they at least don't sell uncensored cds or is it just different with Canadian Walmarts?

I know they don't sell NC-17 movies, but I'm also sure they don't do the "no uncensored cds" thing. I haven't really checked (but I am going back to work there in an hour so I'll check :P). I have infact bought R rated movies from Wal-Mart afterwards and have never seen the alarm thing come up so I really think it was a one time WTF screw up then ironically happened on a pretty purple and yellow kids DVD.

[jupiter23]

This was most likely a computer error, but one time I bought a Sailor Moon DVD from Wal-Mart that they had on sale for $6. When the cashier rang it through, this alarm went off and she asked me if I was over 18. Apparently no one under 18 could buy it. /quote]Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought it was Walmart's policy that they didn't sell NC17 rated movies? I know for certain they at least don't sell uncensored cds or is it just different with Canadian Walmarts?

Actually, Wal-Mart does sell uncensored DVDs (where I live anyway). However, when we scan them, a prompt on the screen comes up asking if the customer is at least 17. I have had to turn down a sale to a couple of kids on these.

[Cardcaptor Takato]

I have infact bought R rated movies from Wal-Mart afterwards and have never seen the alarm thing come up so I really think it was a one time WTF screw up then ironically happened on a pretty purple and yellow kids DVD.

I'm suddenly reminded of how I once found a random Chobits DVD in the kid's section at Walmart. This makes me think that Walmart really doesn't understand anime.

[Tiff]

I just have two things to say here.

1) Queen of Hearts, calling anybody who played with toys when they were 12 and 13 years of age "odd" is a bit insulting. I'm odd now, am I? I LOVED my toys and hated to give them up. Yes, I still played with my barbies and legos and such when I was 12 years old. I had no interest in "omg boys", slutty pop stars, makeup, or anything of that sort. This didn't make me "odd". This just meant that I enjoyed that part of my childhood, and took a little longer to let myself ease into the more "mature" side of childhood/teenagehood.

I think you need to realize that just because other kids aren't in a hurry to grow up like you are, that doesn't make them weird or strange, just as YOU wouldn't like to be called strange for wanting to do grown up things.

2) I'm sure all of the parents in the world would LOVE to be told that babysitters do the same things they do. I think that's an asinine comparison. 2-4 hours with a child, while having to do little more than entertain him, change him, and feed him, is hardly comparable to an entire day's worth of parenting, thanks.

I DON'T want to get into it with any of you about "OMG I'M MATURE AND I'M A TEENAGER" or anything close to that argument, becuase I've already said my piece on that fact, and quite frankly, the argument just angers me more and more.

ADMIN MODE:

Queen of Hearts, I need you to slow down and please watch your typing. I can barely make out half of your posts on these forums. Typos happen, but it's getting hard to read. Please slow down and watch the typos.

[Queen Of Hearts]

1) Queen of Hearts, calling anybody who played with toys when they were 12 and 13 years of age "odd" is a bit insulting. I'm odd now, am I? I LOVED my toys and hated to give them up. Yes, I still played with my barbies and legos and such when I was 12 years old. I had no interest in "omg boys", slutty pop stars, makeup, or anything of that sort. This didn't make me "odd". This just meant that I enjoyed that part of my childhood, and took a little longer to let myself ease into the more "mature" side of childhood/teenagehood.

I meant the fact that people do it not that people who DO do it are odd.

Queen of Hearts, I need you to slow down and please watch your typing. I can barely make out half of your posts on these forums. Typos happen, but it's getting hard to read. Please slow down and watch the typos

I'll be careful. It the stupid sticky keyboard X_x. Sorry 'bout that.

[Tiff]

I meant the fact that people do it not that people who DO do it are odd.

It's still a bit insulting. Many people may find the way you behave odd, and judging by your posts lately, you don't like to have that label on your daily life, either.

Just realize that just becuase all 14 year olds don't behave like you (inf act, MOST don't. I teach, and I see 14 year olds every day. They're still very much like, you know, KIDS.), it doesn't mean they have odd behavior.

[Queen Of Hearts]

I meant the fact that people do it not that people who DO do it are odd.

It's still a bit insulting. Many people may find the way you behave odd, and judging by your posts lately, you don't like to have that label on your daily life, either.

Just realize that just becuase all 14 year olds don't behave like you (inf act, MOST don't. I teach, and I see 14 year olds every day. They're still very much like, you know, KIDS.), it doesn't mean they have odd behavior.

Yes, I saw the hypocracy in that and I apologize. But you are basing that on my online self, which is different from myself and my friends aggree with that but, that your opinion *shrug*

[Senshi_of_Vision]

2) I'm sure all of the parents in the world would LOVE to be told that babysitters do the same things they do. I think that's an asinine comparison. 2-4 hours with a child, while having to do little more than entertain him, change him, and feed him, is hardly comparable to an entire day's worth of parenting, thanks.

Amen thank you for saying that I dont think people get it. Ive said it to younger family members myself who talk about wanting to be moms at 16 and 17 and how easy it can be. They get so upset when I say "no hun being a mom or a dad is not easy at all." There is always something and your child becomes your life and world. It amazes me how any sane person can compare babysitting to parenting. I had a line I used to use when I was younger "sure I love kids specially the ones I can hand back to their parents at the end of my shift. When your a mom you cant do that nor would you want to if your responsible, but its a full time lifetime job if your lucky and it takes alot out of you alot of days.


I think what it all boils down to is even if a teen is holding a job going to school and doing what they are supposed to do, they still dont get that they are considered minors. Not saying this is the case for all but alot think "hey" im doing the responsible thing so I should be treated like an adult. But really all the stuff you do till your a legal adult just shapes what you will be and your path when you are out on your own.

So if your road to being an adult is doing dumb shit that seems "mature" man I feel for ya cause I find the road is hard even when you do the right thing. Cause if ya mess up and drink early, or whore yourself out (this goes for guys and girls, cause guys have sex just as much only dont get the stigma cause of the lack of slutty clothes) or have kids early life will only speed up more and all the things ya wish you had done when you were younger will end up in the big regret pile.

Cherish youth man cause ya only get it once.

[Cardcaptor Takato]

I meant the fact that people do it not that people who DO do it are odd.

Yeah, I'm sure that the people going into Hot Topic stores to buy Strawberry Shortcake and Rainbow Brite merchandise aren't teenagers or adults but 3 year olds and I'm sure Hello Kitty's popularity relied entirely on 1 year old kids. If it was expected for only little kids to play with toys, over half of the toy franchises out there would've died off a long time ago, given that you know, most little kids have limited money to buy them with and somehow I doubt that these toys would remain successful if they all relied on little kids begging their parents to buy them for them. And it's ironic that you think it's odd for teenagers to play with dolls when you're posting at a Sailor Moon message board when Sailor Moon is a kid's show.

[Neon Heart]

Queen of Hearts, I really don't know why you're in such a rush to grow up. You know, I was EXACTLY like that when I was younger. I wanted to grow up, and do adult things, because I thought it was cool. Then after some circumstances, I HAD to grow up quicker than most teenagers. I had to learn certain responsibilities MUCH quicker than most kids. Because of that, I wasn't really allowed to be a kid. I missed out on a lot of things that was "acceptable" for a kid to do. Do I wish I could have had a better childhood? Hell yes, I do. But I can't get it back. And by rushing yourself to grow up, you're going to want your childhood back, and then you'll make yourself miserable by wishing for it, and realizing you can't have it.

Now, as I'm getting older, and getting ever so closer to my 18th birthday, and finally just REALIZING what the real world is like, it's not exactly what it's cracked up to be. Yeah, you can do pretty much whatever you want, but you know what comes with the full package? Responsibilities. Lots of them. Responsibilities most kids don't even know exsisted. And depending on which path you take in life, you may not have all the time in the world for fun and leisure... Infact, you more than likely won't have the time for fun and leisure. Sounds cruel and unusual, but that's just how it is for most adults.

So my advice: Enjoy the fact that you're not an adult yet. Be happy you're still young enough to enjoy certain things. And if other people don't like it, then so what. You like it, and that's all that counts.

If I dragged the topic on, or if I'm off topic, I'm sorry, but I reeeeaaaallly needed to get that off of my chest.

[Tiff]

Yeah, I'm sure that the people going into Hot Topic stores to buy Strawberry Shortcake and Rainbow Brite merchandise aren't teenagers or adults but 3 year olds and I'm sure Hello Kitty's popularity relied entirely on 1 year old kids. If it was expected for only little kids to play with toys, over half of the toy franchises out there would've died off a long time ago, given that you know, most little kids have limited money to buy them with and somehow I doubt that these toys would remain successful if they all relied on little kids begging their parents to buy them for them. And it's ironic that you think it's odd for teenagers to play with dolls when you're posting at a Sailor Moon message board when Sailor Moon is a kid's show.

Bravo. Excellent points.

[yoshmaster5]

*sighs*

ugh, where do I start...

Being kind of a "nerd", myself, I've always been out of the social standards of society. I've never cared about "what's in style" or "how people do their hair" or any of that crap. It always drives me insane whenever my parents and sister tell me how to get my hair cut because I don't want to be like any other common guy out there. I know enough about appearance... and I know that clothes need to match, and it's not a good idea to look like a moron. but I like how I look otherwise... and it doesn't drive me nuts. if I have sideburns, they drive me insane because they don't stay down. But my parents go ballistic on me if I try to shave them off. I don't get why I should CARE about today's "fashion." It'll be gone in a year or two, and by then, I'll be in college able to look how I want to--not how my parents want me to look. Besides, today's fashion degrades both men AND women... women are supposed to look slutty nowadays, and men are supposed to wear pants that don't even fit. How is taht supposed to work? I don't even know... to me, if you're acting slutty, or dress like that, I'm not going to have a high opinion... because I dont' care if that's "The fashion" today or not. You should make your own decisions, not live by other people's ideals and standards.

Another thing that always has irritated me is the emphasis put on the atheletes, actors, and the rich. I'm not athletic, and in America, we have the worst weight problem in the world. So why am I ostrecised for not being athletic or not caring about sports? My school in Kansas was brutal with this... a memory I have is we had to run to a baseball field, I heard: "Who wants to bet on how long it'll take for Adam to pass out?" what message does that send? Why are the atheletes idolized for being able to throw a football long distances? The majority of these people will make all their money int he 20's, and spend all of it before they are 50. So WHY are they treated as the ideal American citizen? I don't have an answer.... maybe because they stand out the most? Well so does Bill Gates. he's not athletic at all, and has no social skills. But he's the richest man in America. It doesn't make sense to me...

Acting like adults. ... not enough people realize how different it is. Teenagers hate their parents... they want to leave, and want their own lives. They don't know how everythign changes. Responsiblity comes, and realization to the cruel world we live in hits. I'm in this stage... where attempting to FIND a job is hell. College is another stage. College is where Teenagers have to turn into responsible adults, or they will drop out. this is where everything changes... and it's the same for relationships. I intend on having a mature relationship, that won't drastically change my life or personality. The type of relationship where you have to be literally attached to each other, or be talking whenever you have free time is to me, moronic. They won't last... you'll become exausted, and you'll rush relationships to keep them as they were... instead, in the case of High-Schoolers, it becomes an emotional rollercoaster, leaving you crushed when you finally end the relationship. I have seen this in too many fellow students, and in my sister, when her boyfriend dumped her.

Finally, what is considered, "Mature." ... so playing with Legos isn't? I sometimes still play with mine. If I'm really bored, I will. nothing's wrong with it, and I'm not acting like an idiot. It's natural to miss your childhood, but depending on the person depends on how much you miss it. I dont' too much yet... but I'll sometimes just want to go out on swings for a bit. it helps me relax... Also--pokemon. ... ya know... I dont' care what people think. I dont' really talk about this with other kids because I dont' want to bore people. I know WAY too much about the series, but I don't care. so it's nerdy, and so the series is considered, "Childish." What's wrong with it? so I'm not playing GTA or "Cool" games all the time. Does that matter? No.

I probably share the same views as many people here... teh social standards are screwed up nowadays. The studious teenager is overshadowed by the idiots trying to imitate teh famous Actors who have health problems, grew up poorly, and do anything for media attention. Or, worse, you idolize PARIS HILTON. To me, if you do that, there's no going back. My respect is non-existant... but no one will care about what I have to say. I'm not an athelete, and I'm not an actor. Therefore, I dont' exist.

[Kameko]

I'm 22 and still love coloring books and crayons. In fact, I wish I had some now.

[Senshi_of_Vision]

thats one of the good things I think about being a parent now, I still get to color and play with toys cause I use them to teach my kid. I dont think I would have given them up either way but its just more fun to see his eyes light up when I praise him for just scribbling lol

and I hear what your saying Yoshmaster it always bothered me how people pay more attention to kids who are going out their way to do the wrong things and emulate the wrong lifestyle choices, then pick on kids who just want to do whats right and be kids. Growing up in different neighboorhoods you see this mentality alot specially in poorer areas. You will see some parents actually talk about their kids jail time like its a badge of honor instead of shame. Then when a kid is trying to get out of that situation "they are too good for everyone" its a sickening mentality one I heard alot because I focused on school and getting away from the old neighboorhood.

The attitudes of people who bitch about being held back when they do nothing to move forward is another social standard that has always bothered me and continues to cause it trickles down to the youth of today to.

[Queen Of Hearts]

maybe in your eyes I am still 'immature' and a 'child',but compared to the kids where I live, I'm the oppisite. You don't see me out there, chasing boys at school and fussing over the dance. I don't really wear slutty clothes (more like somthing really stange and out there.) By the time I was 12 my body was fully mature (I never said that my mind was) All the other girls fussed over how big their boobs where when I wished I didn't have big ones @_@
I do alot of things around the house, I love my parents and I take care of my siblings. I don't read magazines, I read books. I grew up sheltered and alone. I never even knew the kids who lived next door to me and I didn't even know how to ride a bike before I turned 9. I stayed inside and studied. I don't even think I had more than 3 friends when I was young. I don't know how to interact with people my age. (Maybe thats why all my friends are hi8ghschool students (the mature ones)).


Maybe in your eyes I'm immature, but atleast my parents and friends think I have a shread of maturity in me. Because, not every single child in the world is immature.

And I never once said I wanted to grow up faster.

[Cardcaptor Takato]

Um, how does riding a bike make you immature? My dad is nearly 50 and he rides a bike to work everyday. Last I checked bike riding was a healthy and fun exercise that's good for your body. And someone please explain to me how reading books suddenly makes you more mature. I'm 22 and the majority of the time I read manga and whenever I do read books, it's usually something like fantasy or sci-fi and I know plenty of other adults who like to read them too. I just don't get why books are somehow considered more intelligent than other forms of entertainment, never mind that there are just as many crappy books out there as there are magazines. I also don't see how having only a few friends and not being popular makes you more mature, either. There's nothing wrong with being popular in itself.

When I was in school, I knew some popular kids and they could be just as nice as any of the geeky kids and I knew plenty of geeky kids were really immature and obnoxious. It's only when popularity takes over your life and you start judging others because of their social status that it becomes a negative thing. Of course not every child in the world is immature and I'm sure you have lots of mature points about you, but just because you have some maturity doesn't make you automatically immune to immaturity. Everyone has points in their life where they can act mature and immature no matter what age they're at. Even as an adult I still have moments where I can act foolishly and get into fights over stupid things with my sister. And it's not about what your hobbies are or even who your friends are that determines your maturity. It's your attitude that counts and that you're willing to accept responsibility in life and understand that just because you might be mature that doesn't mean the world revolves around you and that you should get everything in life just because you want it. Personally, I think that someone who's humble enough to admit that they're still immature and have a long way to go to growing up is a lot more mature than somebody who acts all puffed up about their maturity.

[Senshi_of_Vision]

Queen of Hearts I put earlier this thread was not an attack on anyones maturity in this forums. Its just a thread to state what people feel is wrong with the way society is and how "Kids" are pretty much expected to act grown around their peers now adays instead of being kids. And frankly how many teens think they are adults when its clear they are not.

I was fully developed at 11 myself I still was a kid, wore clothes like a kid and played with stuff appropriate for my age. Im not saying all kids have to do that Im just saying that what used to be the norm for pre teens and teens are now considered uncool and passee and it bothers me. Im not going to repeat myself on how wrong I feel that is I think ive conveyed this several times.

I just wanted convey to you personally that this thread was not to single you out. I will admit that your post in another thread sparked the debate on this but its not focused on you.