One of the biggest steps for Gay Rights in the US

KoiNoVash · Post by **KoiNoVash** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 1:19 pm

Though I'm heterosexual, I thought this was really good news. A Massachusetts court has ruled against the gay marriage ban. This is one of the biggest steps in gay rights in the US, now if only more states would follow...

Starscream · Post by **Starscream** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 2:23 pm

Whoa.

When did this happen? Today?

Figures that I'd be in class for the announcement of something huge like this ^^;;

Anyhow...yay for Taxachusetts. Maybe the courts around the country will get it in their heads that they have just as much a right to marriage benefits as heterosexual couples do, too. And maybe this might be the kick in the pants needed for a couple of closed-minded religions out there, too ^^;

Em · Post by Em » Tue Nov 18, 2003 2:45 pm

That's great news all couples should ahve the chance to express thier love in this way.

yoshmaster5 · Post by **yoshmaster5** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 3:24 pm

Arigato, kami-sama.

now the line in the Declaration of Independence, "All men are created equal" will actually be TRUE! *i'm also a hetero* this is VERY good news.

ParaKiss_Groupie · Post by **ParaKiss_Groupie** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 3:47 pm

Didn't Massachusettes legalize gay marriage a few months ago? It was around the time of that Episcopalian church leader who was gay. I remember hearing about it then. Maybe they were just discussing it, or something. Anyways, w00000t!!!! Go Gay Marriage!!!!

Sailor Europa · Post by **Sailor Europa** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 4:04 pm

This is awesome! I can't wait to tell Jen-chan about this. She'll be so excited when I tell her.
She's not my girlfriend or anything, she's just a close friend that I...er...once had a crush on..*coughs*

Yay!

Akarui Kibuno · Post by **Akarui Kibuno** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 4:30 pm

Well, in France gay marriages are still forbidden, but we created a weird "Civil Solidarity Pact" which I don't even know if the name is correctly translated, but means "As if married but it's not called marriage".

But this is good news. I'm hetero but the more freedom love gets, the happier I am :p

Post by **Tiff** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 4:43 pm

This is truly wonderful for those couples who cannot bind their love with marriage just like any other couple.
But guys, there's really no need to announce whether or not you're "hetero" -__-;
Let's hope that this is a step that leads to the freedom for gay couples to marry in any state.

Akarui Kibuno · Post by **Akarui Kibuno** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 5:04 pm

Hehehehehe Tiffu-san I think we're mentioning it because it proves that "we" care about "their" happinness as much as "ours".

My sentence translated in proper English means that I think it's to show our support, because I have heard several times "Gay people shouldn't get married! Marriage is for heteros only! It's a shame!" and I think it's unfair.

So I say "I'm hetero but I'm for happiness. They're human dammit they're no different".
(should say that to my father often. he has prejudices against a lot of things)

Okay if this post sounds too weird or stupid, tell me, Tiff. Sometimes I want to express things and find myself babbling without much sense T_T

Jed-kun · Post by **Jed-kun** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 6:38 pm

As happy as I am about this, I'm not gonna do any happy dance until it's about the National Supreme Court's decision that Gay Marraige Ban's are illegal/unconstitutional. But still a tiny w00t!

Lady of the Light · Post by **Lady of the Light** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 7:53 pm

This is a very good step in favor of gay rights. But this is only a little step...

The same thing is happening here in Canada, and the situation is eeriely the same. A provincial Supreme Court also ruled that the law against gay marriages was unconstitutional, and this just caused chaos. Man, the federal government was pushed to create new laws permitting gay marriage, but all this just divided the Parliment, splitting it literally in half.

And then all the religious organizations came in, and the child support groups....It's mass chaos. And the same thing will probably happen in the U.S. And since it seems that George W. Bush is opposed to the idea, the lifting of the bans for the entire country probably won't happen until he gets out of office.

But all in all, I wish all the gay right's activists good luck, and I encourage them to keep on trying.

Starscream · Post by **Starscream** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 8:24 pm

Any step is a good step, no matter how big or small ^_^

Lady of the Light · Post by **Lady of the Light** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 9:31 pm

Starscream wrote:Any step is a good step, no matter how big or small ^_^

Yes, I agree! So that's why that this step, even though it's small, should encourage the gay rights organizations to push further, because some people are listening. Even though it's small, it's still something, and they can build upon it... And adventually they will succeed!

....Man, that was corny...

Post by **Tiff** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 9:33 pm

Akarui Kibuno wrote:Hehehehehe Tiffu-san I think we're mentioning it because it proves that "we" care about "their" happinness as much as "ours".*CHOPPED FOR SPACE*
Okay if this post sounds too weird or stupid, tell me, Tiff. Sometimes I want to express things and find myself babbling without much sense T_T

LOL no, you don't sound stupid or weird. I just don't want this to become a "declare your sexaulity" thing. It shouldn't matter what your sexuality is. Your decision of agreement, disagreement, or support should have nothing to do with your sexuality, is all I'm saying.

Anthy · Post by **Anthy** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 10:22 pm

Tiff wrote:LOL no, you don't sound stupid or weird. I just don't want this to become a "declare your sexaulity" thing. It shouldn't matter what your sexuality is. Your decision of agreement, disagreement, or support should have nothing to do with your sexuality, is all I'm saying.

I DECLARE THAT I AM OMNISEXUAL!! Er. Anyways. </obvious intention to piss Tiff off>

Anyways, I'm estatic that a great step like this has been made, no matter how small it may seem. "Evolution, not revolution," as my dad says. Eventually, gays will get all the rights they deserve, but it will take a while for the general public to warm up to it. Rome wasn't built in a day, I guess.

Post by **Tiff** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 10:58 pm

Anthy wrote:I DECLARE THAT I AM OMNISEXUAL!! Er. Anyways. </obvious intention to piss Tiff off>

don't make me ban you.
(Woman) YOU BAN THEM?!
*snickers as she thinks of something that only Anthy will understand*

Starscream · Post by **Starscream** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 11:03 pm

Tiff wrote:
Anthy wrote:I DECLARE THAT I AM OMNISEXUAL!! Er. Anyways. </obvious intention to piss Tiff off>
don't make me ban you.
(Woman) YOU BAN THEM?!
*snickers as she thinks of something that only Anthy will understand*

*bonX0rz j00 for inside joke*

Anyhow...anyone care to enlighten me on why some people think the sanctity of marriage will be "ruined" by this? So two people who are in love want to get married and raise a family...who cares? Love is love...leave 'em alone, for crying out loud >< *eats Romney and George W.*

Post by **Tiff** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 11:07 pm

Starscream wrote:
Anyhow...anyone care to enlighten me on why some people think the sanctity of marriage will be "ruined" by this? So two people who are in love want to get married and raise a family...who cares? Love is love...leave 'em alone, for crying out loud >< *eats Romney and George W.*

XD I concur. Amen Starscream.
Again, it's that whole bible-belt, small-town small mind.

Cardcaptor Takato · Post by **Cardcaptor Takato** » Wed Nov 19, 2003 8:06 am

From what I've heard, it's because the only marriage recoginized by God is that of a man and a woman.

Jusenkyo no Pikachu · Post by **Jusenkyo no Pikachu** » Wed Nov 19, 2003 9:25 am

I won't publish a guide, but if you want all gays and half the straight populace to damn you to hell, look no further than "Reverend" Fred Phelps.

I wouldn't be surprised if someone like Gene Robinson, upon being made a Baptist archbishop, were to declare Phelps excommunicate from the church.

For those not yet in the know, Phelps is the minister of the Westboro Baptist Church (NOT Landover. This guy is SERIOUS) in Topeka, Kansas. He's also a rabid homophobe. In his spare time, he runs the much-hated website GodHatesFags.com.

He has several kids, all of whom are lawyers and I believe at one point they have been suspended (Fred himself has been permanently disbarred).

Back to the man himself. Looking at his website, I have seen several shocking things. Such as the fact that he has made a Javascript game out of the whole thing. And the fact that he has made a counter about how many days Matthew Shepard has been in hell. Completely ridiculous, but shocking nonetheless. Interestingly, they also have no information stating any positive (our sense) action towards a certain gay man's memory.

For those not in the know, Matthew was a gay college student who was murdered in a hate crime on Oct. 12 1998. Phelps and his following (he does have one, and it extends past family members) protested at the man's funeral and recently decided to erect a monument stating Matthew Shepard entered hell on Oct 12 1998 in defiance of God's warning "Thou shalt not lie with a man as one lies with a woman, it is abomination"--Leviticus 18:22 (The text is from the King James version, which is the most inaccurate translation). The monument has been rejected.

Pi "No wonder CAP Alert says they're not affiliated with this guy" ka

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