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Post by Sailorasteroid » Thu Aug 24, 2006 9:08 pm

This is what I don't get: they disqualified Pluto because its orbit cuts through Neptune's. But we could equally say that Neptune's orbit cuts through Pluto's. The fact that Neptune's orbit is less eccentric rather than more shouldn't matter; it's arbitrary to say one has the "right" orbit and the other is an interloper. Should Neptune lose status as well? It also seems to say that if we pushed Pluto out to a similar, equally eccentric orbit that did not cut Neptune's, its planet status would be restored. Also arbitrary.

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Post by Panda » Thu Aug 24, 2006 9:21 pm

What ever happened to that 10th (9th? :( ) planet? And if there are three others will that somehow effect anything? (beyond the obvious of course)

I mean damn. With Pluto gone... what's left. What about the Scorpios o.o

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Post by Rainbow » Thu Aug 24, 2006 9:31 pm

If astrologers cut Pluto out too, Scorpio would go back to being ruled by Mars. That's what it was said to be ruled by before Pluto was discovered. Astrologers don't always follow astronomers, in fact, the two groups often clash.

But I honestly don't know what the astrology community is going to do about this, simply because I'm not a part of it. So I could be way off here.
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Post by Aya Reiko » Thu Aug 24, 2006 9:36 pm

Am I the only one who's visualizing a half-drunken Setsuna at a bar bemoaning her (lack of) fortunes?

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Post by peachvampiress » Thu Aug 24, 2006 9:44 pm

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"They's think they can jush cut me out like THAT!? Don't they know who I yam? I'ms the Time Gates Guardian Bitch. I knows the Queen. I KNOWS THE QUEEN! And she's gonna be pisshed off when I tells her what happened. I'm a Dark Dome Close all their asses." *falls down*
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Post by UsagiKira » Thu Aug 24, 2006 10:23 pm

peachvampiress wrote:Aya Reiko
Am I the only one who's visualizing a half-drunken Setsuna at a bar bemoaning her (lack of) fortunes?
"They's think they can jush cut me out like THAT!? Don't they know who I yam? I'ms the Time Gates Guardian Bitch. I knows the Queen. I KNOWS THE QUEEN! And she's gonna be pisshed off when I tells her what happened. I'm a Dark Dome Close all their asses." *falls down*
See now... that was just wrong and funny! XDDDD

I thought of it more like, something outta survivor. "Setsuna, I'm afraid you've been voted out of the system." Setsuna: "What?! Why?! This is unjustice!! I've put my life and job on the line for this planet, AND THIS IS WHAT I GET?!"

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Post by Sailor V » Thu Aug 24, 2006 10:26 pm

So, if Pluto's demoted and and there a three new planets, we have 11 planets? Gah! So confusing! So, what are the names of the new planets?

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Post by Sailorasteroid » Thu Aug 24, 2006 10:36 pm

Sailor V wrote:So, if Pluto's demoted and and there a three new planets, we have 11 planets? Gah! So confusing! So, what are the names of the new planets?
I believe Pluto's demotion means that the other 3 now don't count.
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Post by SeiUsa » Thu Aug 24, 2006 11:20 pm

peachvampiress wrote:Aya Reiko
Am I the only one who's visualizing a half-drunken Setsuna at a bar bemoaning her (lack of) fortunes?
"They's think they can jush cut me out like THAT!? Don't they know who I yam? I'ms the Time Gates Guardian Bitch. I knows the Queen. I KNOWS THE QUEEN! And she's gonna be pisshed off when I tells her what happened. I'm a Dark Dome Close all their asses." *falls down*
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peachvampiress wrote:Aya Reiko
Am I the only one who's visualizing a half-drunken Setsuna at a bar bemoaning her (lack of) fortunes?
"They's think they can jush cut me out like THAT!? Don't they know who I yam? I'ms the Time Gates Guardian Bitch. I knows the Queen. I KNOWS THE QUEEN! And she's gonna be pisshed off when I tells her what happened. I'm a Dark Dome Close all their asses." *falls down*
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Post by peachvampiress » Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:01 am

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Post by Rin » Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:51 am

This is going to mess up that phrase that you learn in grade school to help you remember the planets. "My Very Excellent Mother Just Served Us Nine Pizzas" I guess it will now have to be "My Very Excellent Mother Just Served Us uh... Noodles?" But what's so great about noodles?

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Post by Starscream » Fri Aug 25, 2006 5:38 am

Sailorasteroid wrote:This is what I don't get: they disqualified Pluto because its orbit cuts through Neptune's. But we could equally say that Neptune's orbit cuts through Pluto's. The fact that Neptune's orbit is less eccentric rather than more shouldn't matter; it's arbitrary to say one has the "right" orbit and the other is an interloper. Should Neptune lose status as well? It also seems to say that if we pushed Pluto out to a similar, equally eccentric orbit that did not cut Neptune's, its planet status would be restored. Also arbitrary.
It's actually not so much the eccentricity of its orbit as it is some concept called "clearing the neighborhood of its orbit". As best as I can summarize, when an object "clears the neighborhood of its orbit", it either, over the course of its time in existance, absorbs all the objects within the orbit into itself - thus increasing its size - or kicks them out to be distributed into another orbit, leaving only objects that are of a significantly different mass, except for natural satelites and "objects later collected under [a planet's] gravitational influence"; this seems to exempt Jupiter and the Trojan Asteroids (not Sailor Asteroids).

What this means is that Pluto gets re-classified because it failed to "clear the neighborhood"; objects in the Kupier belt - a span of celestial objects outside Neptune's orbit - are "in the neighborhood" of Pluto's orbit, and while not under the influence of Pluto's gravity (it obviously does not have the gravitational strength to force them all into the same orbit), many of the Kupier objects do not have significantly different mass from that of Pluto. In some regards, therefore, it could be considered similar to 1 Ceres, which does not share the exact same orbit as other objects in the Asteroid Belt yet is of similar mass to other objects there.
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At any rate, I am inclined to agree; I'm all for a "nostalgic" classification - maybe one just used by the lay people - wherein Mercury through Pluto are termed the "Classic" planets, while "Xena", 1 Ceres, and any others be coined "Neo" planets or something. I realize that this is going to be a touchy issue for some fans of the traditional naming conventions, but we scientists aren't really known for our sentimentality >_>
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Post by Cardcaptor Takato » Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:20 am

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quite honestly, the only thing taht will be effected much is elementry school solar-system projects.
Does that mean we have to go back to elementary school now because all of our solar system projects failed because Pluto isn't a planet?
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quite honestly, the only thing taht will be effected much is elementry school solar-system projects.
Does that mean we have to go back to elementary school now because all of our solar system projects failed because Pluto isn't a planet?
No, what I mean is in the big scheme of things, only new projects would be effected. And I feel sorry for teachers. *sorry TIffu... ;_;*
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Post by Sailormars Obsessed fan » Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:08 pm

Im not paying much attention to this.

Pluto will probably be a planet again in a few years anyway.
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Post by Sailor V » Tue Aug 29, 2006 1:55 pm

Rin wrote:This is going to mess up that phrase that you learn in grade school to help you remember the planets. "My Very Excellent Mother Just Served Us Nine Pizzas" I guess it will now have to be "My Very Excellent Mother Just Served Us uh... Noodles?" But what's so great about noodles?.
What about nuggets? Nuggest are good. But what happens in 137 years when Neptune and Pluto swittch spots?
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Post by yoshmaster5 » Tue Aug 29, 2006 2:35 pm

Sailor V wrote:
Rin wrote:This is going to mess up that phrase that you learn in grade school to help you remember the planets. "My Very Excellent Mother Just Served Us Nine Pizzas" I guess it will now have to be "My Very Excellent Mother Just Served Us uh... Noodles?" But what's so great about noodles?.
What about nuggets? Nuggest are good. But what happens in 137 years when Neptune and Pluto swittch spots?
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I dunno, really. By the time you find that out, you don't really care what order the planets are in. only way I found that out is because I was obsessed with Astronomy for about 2 years.
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Post by Rin » Tue Aug 29, 2006 5:11 pm

yoshmaster5 wrote:
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Rin wrote:This is going to mess up that phrase that you learn in grade school to help you remember the planets. "My Very Excellent Mother Just Served Us Nine Pizzas" I guess it will now have to be "My Very Excellent Mother Just Served Us uh... Noodles?" But what's so great about noodles?.
What about nuggets? Nuggest are good. But what happens in 137 years when Neptune and Pluto swittch spots?
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Post by Cardcaptor Takato » Tue Aug 29, 2006 5:46 pm

I take it the Cs mean Ceres and Charon?
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