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Post by Akarui Kibuno » Tue Jan 18, 2005 10:03 am

*first note : only put the little /!\ to warn people more.

Okay, well, while some of you might be offended by the title of the topic only, please note that before posting this, I sent a message to the admins something like a week ago and the answer was that I could post it, if I'm careful.

Onto the topic now. We've had a hentai topic, so I figured we could have a pornography one, and since this is "real", add sexuality to that. Ahem. So, the questions I'm asking myself... and asking you :)

1) What do you think of pornography ?

I myself used to think it was the most disgusting thing a few years ago. And, while some of what I've seen IS horrible, sometimes there can be "decent" stuff, which you can enjoy.

Also, while I can enjoy it, I won't watch it too much because, well, it's real but exaggerated at the same time (I mean real people, ahem). And since sexuality isn't as natural as in real life, I don't want to be influenced too much by it, so I don't want to see too much.

2) What do you think about sex in general ?

I myself like it, can't lie about that. I'm 21, I have as much freedom as I like, I'm in love, so it's all good. I'm responsible (i.e. pill and condoms), and it's not like I'm going to die if I don't have sex every single second.

3) Do you think sex is for all ages ?

Well, this is a tough issue. I personnally think there should be a legal age for sex, but since people all mature differently... a girl of 12 should not have sex in my opinion, but what if she's in love ? Some might say "12 years old do not know" , but I don't know about that myself (of course it should NEVER happen when the guy is older, promises stuff, has sex, and leaves forever).




Now, onto your opinions ! Ah, was about to forget a few things:

1) This topic is not to say PORN IS EVIL AND ALL PEOPLE WHO WATCH IT SHALL DIE. If you dislike it, you can state why, you can answer the questions or just say what you think but not in a whining manner.

2) Please remember that not all members here will have the same vision as you do (whether they have a different religion or different ethics or whatever) so of course, keep it civil.

3) This topic is NOT to discuss your sex life. This should be kept private, as I'm sure not everyone wants to hear about what you do at home.

With that said, I hope I was careful enough and... let's discuss :) .
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Post by LilEva » Tue Jan 18, 2005 1:56 pm

Akarui Kibuno wrote: 1) What do you think of pornography ?

2) What do you think about sex in general ?

3) Do you think sex is for all ages ?
1) I think pornography is fun and entertaining if you take it lightly, but I think the people that take it too seriously and are rather obsessed with it are rather frightening.

2) I think sex is great and should be enjoyed by two consenting people. For myself, I have to be in love to have sex, but for others,I think as long as two people are consenting that it should be enjoyed as such.

3) I think sex is for those that are fully educated about it and its consequences, which can range from very young to very old, but as long as the individual(s) know that it can have consequences and accept them, then there is no age minimum or maximum.

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Post by Sailorasteroid » Tue Jan 18, 2005 5:13 pm

Someone once said of pornography, "I can't define it, but I know it when I see it." So it matters what you're talking about when discussing porn.

I don't like pornographic movies or magazines, because they're usually not well done, and have an element of sleaziness to them that's unwarranted. The writing in porn movies is terrible and so is the acting. What I do like is erotic literature and drawings. I like this on two levels, the first being obvious, but the other being that the idea of rampant unprotected sex, even in a fantasy, appeals to me as a strike against conventional mores and norms.

I think too much reverence and complications surround sex. People ought to be able to have sex because it feels good, not because they want to communicate something or anything like that. Having sex with someone you love or doing so to reproduce is a different, higher version of sex, but it shouldn't be preacticed to the exclusion of regular context-free sex. It's like saying you refuse to eat unless you have the right table, food, lightning, and dinner companion.

For all ages? I dunno, a 1-day-old kid might not be ready. ^_^ Generally I think most people can understand its nature and be prepared as soon as their bodies are. But the other things like love usually take a bit longer.
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Post by Tiff » Tue Jan 18, 2005 5:56 pm

1) I think pornography can be very entertaining. Sometimes I find certain pornographic material to be arousing, and sometimes I find it to be amusing, and sometimes I find it to be stupid. It just depends on the type of material, the nature of it, etc.

But I always keep in mind this: What may be stupid or disgusting or sleazy to me may be arousing or entertaining to someone else. Some people enjoy scat (look it up. =P). I, on the other hand, find it to be utterly repulsive. But it's not my place to say, "Oooh anybody who would find this entertaining is disgusting and gross and deserves to die!"

I'm rather fond of lesbian porn (and I swear to god, if anybody decides I am a lesbian becuase of this, I will verbally bitchslap you), and am also fond of various hentai shows.

2) Sex is a normal part of life, IMO. And I think people put far too much into it. Sex does NOT equal love. People do not have to be in love to have sex. What do you think flings and one-night stands are? Sex stems from lust and passion, and that can sometimes be mixed with love. All in all, sex is meant for reproduction, and can either carry a sense of lust or a sense of duty with it (or sometimes both).

I despise when people can't have responsible sex. You don't want a kid? Use birth control. There are certainly enough kinds. You don't want an STD? Use a fucking condom, or know who you're fucking. I have no sympathy for people who sleep around, then end up pregnant or with an STD becuase they were too stupid to do anything beforehand.

3) No. No, no no no NO. In my opinion, a person does not have the capacity to understand the sheer consequences and magnitude of sex until they're at least in their late teens. No kids having sex, please. No more thirteen year olds going into labor during their 8th grade math class.
a girl of 12 should not have sex in my opinion, but what if she's in love ?
Then she waits. I'm sorry, but love has ZERO to do with it. One can be in love, and put a lid on their vagina or their penis. As a teacher, it sickens me to see these little 12 and 13 year olds have sex and ruin their lives. These children have sex becuase their parents didn't bother to teach them what's right, or becuase they are truly ignorant of the results, or they're rebellious little bits of white trash that are rebelling against their equally trashy parents.

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Post by Jonathan » Tue Jan 18, 2005 7:40 pm

1. I like most of them. I, like Tiff, enjoy lesbian porn. It's true, a lot of them have bad acting, bad writing, etc. But it's quite entertaining.

2. I haven't had sex yet, so I can't really say much on this. I'm one of the few who's waiting for the 'right' girl...or at least the one who I think is right.

3. I think people should be educated about sex before they do it. They should know about the good, the bad, and the ugly. And I really think little 14 and 15 year olds shouldn't go screwing around. My little brother is in 7th grade, and he's always saying how this boy did this, and how this girl got pregnant at age 13, and I just think it's so wrong.
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Post by ParaKiss_Groupie » Tue Jan 18, 2005 9:49 pm

1) I have nothing against pornography. In fact, I watch it. I won't lie about that. I don't believe it objectifies women (in fact, I can give you a whole discourse about how that argument is purely biased in and of itself), and I don't believe it's degrading to the people involved. No one does pornography because they absolutely have to. People choose to do it. Most work as waitresses, or work on other types of film. It starts as a supplemental thing, and if they make enough from it, some turn it into a full job. The only porn I really have a problem with is camwhores. I think that advertising should be done on sites that have that kind of demographic. I shouldn't have to deal with people IMing me on AIM saying "LOOK! I SHOVED A WEBCAM UP MY SKIRT AND NOW I'M SEXY. LOOK DAMMIT!"

2) What do I think about sex? I love it. One of my favourite activities. But it's not something I take lightly. I believe that if we have sex without any extra feeling there, we're no higher than the animals we claim superiority over. And maybe there are other reasons for me. Sex is about procreation. It's why we get horny. It's a base instinct of mankind. However, I can't procreate with another man. There has to be another reason for me. I can't justify it without it. So, while it is physical satisfaction, there has to be another level there. The person I'm with has to stimulate my mind as well as my body. That being said, I'm more willing to have sex with someone than to kiss them. I find kissing to be more sacred, because while it released pheromones, that level of physical gratification isn't there. I find it more "human."

3) Absolutely not. I don't think little kids understand enough about sex to be having it. And as for the "12 year olds in love" thing, I can't see that at all. I don't know a single 12 year old capable of "love." I'm 18, and I don't know if I'm capable of it yet. At 12, it's infatuation and hormones. When that person gets to a mature enough age AND mental level, then sure. I won't judge them. But I can't even see how 12 year olds could have sex. I mean, my parents never would have let me stay at a girl's house for the night. And it's not like one kid can take another one out to some "lover's lane" type thing. S/he can't drive, after all. IMO, if you still have to have your parents take you everywhere, you're not ready.
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Post by Tiff » Tue Jan 18, 2005 9:54 pm

ParaKiss_Groupie wrote: 2) What do I think about sex? I love it. One of my favourite activities. But it's not something I take lightly. I believe that if we have sex without any extra feeling there, we're no higher than the animals we claim superiority over. And maybe there are other reasons for me. Sex is about procreation. It's why we get horny. It's a base instinct of mankind. However, I can't procreate with another man. There has to be another reason for me. I can't justify it without it. So, while it is physical satisfaction, there has to be another level there. The person I'm with has to stimulate my mind as well as my body. That being said, I'm more willing to have sex with someone than to kiss them. I find kissing to be more sacred, because while it released pheromones, that level of physical gratification isn't there. I find it more "human."

3) Absolutely not. I don't think little kids understand enough about sex to be having it. And as for the "12 year olds in love" thing, I can't see that at all. I don't know a single 12 year old capable of "love." I'm 18, and I don't know if I'm capable of it yet. At 12, it's infatuation and hormones. When that person gets to a mature enough age AND mental level, then sure. I won't judge them. But I can't even see how 12 year olds could have sex. I mean, my parents never would have let me stay at a girl's house for the night. And it's not like one kid can take another one out to some "lover's lane" type thing. S/he can't drive, after all. IMO, if you still have to have your parents take you everywhere, you're not ready.
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Post by Tempest » Tue Jan 18, 2005 10:57 pm

Akarui Kibuno wrote: 1) What do you think of pornography ?

2) What do you think about sex in general ?

3) Do you think sex is for all ages ?
1) Erotic literature doesn't bother me much. I actually enjoy things of this nature if it's in a decent plot. I'm not really much into the visual stuff (pornographic videos, magazines, ect). Not my cup of tea.

2) Sex is fine. I, personally, never really cared to have sex.

Like Tiff said, I'm tired of all these kids getting pregnant or getting STD because they are too careless to think of the end result of their actions.

3) X_x I know a lot of people say, 'It's ok if you're mature enough to handle it', but I have real problems with people who are too young having sex. 13 and 14 seems a bit to young for me to think about, but 12 is just insane . These kids have their entire lives a head of them. Why in the hell would they want to do something that could run the risk of completely ruining their lives or killing them when their lives just started on this world?

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Post by RoastedTwinkies » Tue Jan 18, 2005 11:05 pm

1.) I haven't watched enough pornography to really say what I think of it. I've run into porn sites by accident, but I've never gone looking for it. Most of the stuff I've seen was outright graphic and disgusting. The reason why I say it's trash is because I've seen people pooping on each other and stuff during sex. That turns me right off. If it's just simple intercourse, I'm okay with it, but it's it's gross stuff like what I mentioned, then I can't even look at it. However, somehow I just couldn't get into pornography. I don't watch it.

2.) I'll be honest. I'm a virgin. I can't really say what I think of it, as far as the physical aspect of it goes. Many of my friends told me that first time sex hurts a lot and it's the pain that I'm afraid of. One thing that I'm afraid of more than anything is extreme pain or death. However, I don't want to go with just anyone. I have to have feelings for the person I go with.

3.) In Canada, there is in fact a legal age for sex. The legal age of consent is 14. Yes, you read it right, 14 years old. I think it's ridiculous. A 14 year old isn't old enough to vote, but they can decide whether or not they want to have sex/kids? That's just retarded. In my opinion, that age of consent should be raised to 16.

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Post by Akarui Kibuno » Wed Jan 19, 2005 5:32 am

[Little off-topic]

Ahem, hmm, just to make a point though ^^;; , I mentioned the 12 years old thing only because of something *utterly disgusting* that was discussed on another forum... a 12 years old had had sex and her mother... well... I don't think I should say the whole thing but it was horrid.

With that said, I'm glad my sisters have waited/are waiting for the good one *_* (one is 19, one is 16, the other two cant' think of it for now, teehee, they're 6 and 1 and a half).

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Post by Jusenkyo no Pikachu » Wed Jan 19, 2005 7:15 am

1) I like porn. Although much of it is horribly acted (check out the karate tape in The Girl Next Door for an example if you haven't seen any), there are good ones out there. I too am quite fond of lesbian porn, and in fact there are a couple of stories I'm absolutely hooked on (all lesbian, but one shifts the focus somewhat to a boy. That one's also included abuse, drugs, bullying and karate.)

2) Virgin here, but I'm looking for love first.

3) One of the girls I've talked to online has mentioned a guy that did just that (got her friend--who was, at the time, below the age of consent here--pregnant and then left her). I'm also trying to figure out why 12-year-olds would even discuss it, although sex ed (or, as we call it down here, HRE) is making leaps and bounds in that area.
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Post by yoshmaster5 » Wed Jan 19, 2005 3:31 pm

1. haven't watched it.

2. It's one of mankind's instincts, so I can't say anything against it. Most likely, you will end up having sex sometime in your life. I am a virgin though.

3. It all depends on the culture. I personally think it should be older, but in other countries it is completely different. In India, people are married at the age of TEN. *Ghandi for instance* So, it can be really wierd. I really hate it when kids in America decide to idolize Paris Hilton and start trying to do any guy they see so they can say they are like her.
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Post by jupiter23 » Wed Jan 19, 2005 4:40 pm

yoshmaster5 wrote: I really hate it when kids in America decide to idolize Paris Hilton and start trying to do any guy they see so they can say they are like her.
I am in total agreement with you there.

1. Have not and do not intend to watch it. I do read the occasional Romance Novel, though.

2. I am still a virgin. My boyfriend and I are waiting until we get married.

3. I agree on the point that people should have sex when they are ready, but they shouldn't have sex if they aren't old enough to drive or have a job. Most people under 16 are not mature enough to understand the risks involved, nor do they care, until they end up pregnant or with an STD, and even then some will continue to do it. My cousin was that way, and still is. She had a baby at 17, and it died four months later. She is 18 now, and recently had another baby, by the same guy (almost 10 years older than her) who fathered her first child. My point is that some people even at 16 are still not mature enough for it, so in that respect I am going to expand on whoever said if they still have to have their parents take them everywhere, then they weren't old enough.

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Post by KoiNoVash » Wed Jan 19, 2005 5:00 pm

Akarui Kibuno wrote:[Little off-topic]

Ahem, hmm, just to make a point though ^^;; , I mentioned the 12 years old thing only because of something *utterly disgusting* that was discussed on another forum... a 12 years old had had sex and her mother... well... I don't think I should say the whole thing but it was horrid.
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I heard about that. When I read the article on CNN I felt like throwing up.

1.I've watched some porn, I don't have a problem with it at all. I usually end up cracking up for some reason though.

2. I myself have never had sex (haven't found the right guy u.u), but as long as the people involved are consenting and use proper protection I have no problem with it.

3. Sex is definatly not for all ages. I myself am in college to become a teacher and the thought of some of the middle school kids I have worked with having sex worries me. Kids should be kids. Save sex for when the people having sex are in their late teens and understand the consequences involved.
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Post by NameGoesHere » Wed Jan 19, 2005 5:54 pm

1.) If I find a very well written romance story that contains "x-rated" content, I'll read it. It has to have a good storyline and characters as the first priority, though. Well drawn erotic art is also something I can appreciate, but as with the stories, I really don't find any of it arousing. To me, it's just good art.

I've seen other types of pornography on the internet and a bit on television, and I don't find it appealing. The actual video pornography is so poorly acted (and I'm assuming that most of it is) that I find it quite humorous. Much of the pornography on the internet borders on the edge of disgusting in my eyes, and I try to avoid it as best I can.

I believe that people have the right to view pornography, and that doing such does not make them a "bad person." I draw the line at anything that objectifies children, actual bestiality (furies are fine with me), and those peeping tom cameras where the subjects don't know they're being watched.

2.) It's a natural instinct. If you don't want an STD, know who you're rolling around with, or have the sense to use protection. I don't want to hear any irresponsible twit whining about catching something, when they could have avoided it by keeping their pants up or using a shred of common sense. Same thing goes for a baby. However, if you can be responsible, go for it if that's what you want.

Personally, I wouldn't have sex with anyone that couldn't make me feel something above the waist line.

3.) No. To me, there is a certain amount of mental maturity required before you should have sex. If you can't grasp the full consequences, physical and emotional, involved with sex, then you shouldn't be having it. If you're looking for an actual age limit, I'd say 16, but even then someone could still be too immature. It's all about the individual. I'm 17, and I'm not even close yet.

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Post by SailorSpace » Wed Jan 19, 2005 7:48 pm

1. Haven't seen human porn.... But have looked up hentai before.... Yes, I'm a perv. -.-

2. Don't know what sex feels like, or what it could be like.... But *ahem* I do know what "fooling around" feels like.

3. I think someone should be at least 17 or 18 before they decide to do it with anybody, and only if their feeling true love. Anything under that is considered statutory rape in my book, so... yeah.
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Post by ParaKiss_Groupie » Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:22 pm

SailorSpace wrote:1. Haven't seen human porn.... But have looked up hentai before.... Yes, I'm a perv. -.-

2. Don't know what sex feels like, or what it could be like.... But *ahem* I do know what "fooling around" feels like.

3. I think someone should be at least 17 or 18 before they decide to do it with anybody, and only if their feeling true love. Anything under that is considered statutory rape in my book, so... yeah.
1) That doesn't make you a perv. o_0

2) So, "fooling around" at a young age is okay, but sex isn't?

3) I don't think you can actually make your own definition of a legal term. Statutory rape is when someone over 18 has sex with a minor--someone under 18. There are different kinds of restrictions depending upon the state (NC, for instance, has a two-year age difference. If you're 19 and your partner is 17, you're clear. If you're 20 or s/he's 16, you're fucked.)
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Post by Tiff » Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:24 pm

ParaKiss_Groupie wrote:
SailorSpace wrote:1. Haven't seen human porn.... But have looked up hentai before.... Yes, I'm a perv. -.-

2. Don't know what sex feels like, or what it could be like.... But *ahem* I do know what "fooling around" feels like.

3. I think someone should be at least 17 or 18 before they decide to do it with anybody, and only if their feeling true love. Anything under that is considered statutory rape in my book, so... yeah.
1) That doesn't make you a perv. o_0

2) So, "fooling around" at a young age is okay, but sex isn't?

3) I don't think you can actually make your own definition of a legal term. Statutory rape is when someone over 18 has sex with a minor--someone under 18. There are different kinds of restrictions depending upon the state (NC, for instance, has a two-year age difference. If you're 19 and your partner is 17, you're clear. If you're 20 or s/he's 16, you're fucked.)
1) then I guess I'm a "perv", too -_- come on.

2) Yeah. Really. I don't get that.

3) Dude...it's just as Kisu said...statutory rape HAS a definition. You can't make it into something else. Two consenting 15 year olds having sex is NOT statutory rape.

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Post by MarioKnight » Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:45 pm

1) I've never really liked it. I've seen some, and it didn't really do much for me nor did I enjoy it. However as mentioned by others a few times, I wouldn't mind reading a good erotic story now and then as long as it's not loaded with sex-only stuff.

2) I'm a virgin still, so I know next to nothing about how having it feels and whatnot. Though as mentioned already, it doesn't need to equal love. There are times when people need love, and times where they just need to get laid. Myself, I seem to swing between feeling like I need either one at a certain time, probably because I'm still a virgin and I've never been in a relationship. I do know that I would rather be with someone I love and experience sex with them at some point, though I'd be lying if I said I'd pass up a chance to have it if an opportunity presented itself with two of us having each others consent.

3) No, sex is definetly not for all ages. While the point where one is ready varies from person to person, I would say 16 - 17 is about when people are physically to have it. Personally, I would say people should wait until after they've completed high school since by then they should have a much better understanding of it, and that I feel that you're not really an adult until after you've finished high school and gotten a taste of life afterwards, but that's just my own thoughts.
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Post by yoshmaster5 » Wed Jan 19, 2005 9:01 pm

ParaKiss_Groupie wrote:
SailorSpace wrote:1. Haven't seen human porn.... But have looked up hentai before.... Yes, I'm a perv. -.-

2. Don't know what sex feels like, or what it could be like.... But *ahem* I do know what "fooling around" feels like.

3. I think someone should be at least 17 or 18 before they decide to do it with anybody, and only if their feeling true love. Anything under that is considered statutory rape in my book, so... yeah.
1) That doesn't make you a perv. o_0

2) So, "fooling around" at a young age is okay, but sex isn't?

3) I don't think you can actually make your own definition of a legal term. Statutory rape is when someone over 18 has sex with a minor--someone under 18. There are different kinds of restrictions depending upon the state (NC, for instance, has a two-year age difference. If you're 19 and your partner is 17, you're clear. If you're 20 or s/he's 16, you're fucked.)
Actually, I think legal age of consent is 16 *health class, this stuff is crammed into my head*
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