Michael Jackson

[yoshmaster5]

EDIT: I apologize once again for double posting. My browser will often say 'login expired' or something like that and every time I refresh my browser, I get double posts like this. Once again, I'm sorry if I'm sounding like an annoyance.

Gah, I deleted your post just as you were doing this..so you'll have to post what you wanted to say again ^^; sorry.

meh, don't worry about it! I'm still too hyper from Animethon to get mad ^^;;;

What I was saying before: I think one thing we can agree on is that Micheal is unfit to be a parent, pedophile or not.

True. Micheal Jackson may not be guilty of those crimes, but he has done outrageous things, that make people uneasy. Getting so much plastic surgery he looks like a white woman/man. *shudder* *recalls SNL joke about him in 10 years looking like a sock puppet*

He is respected for his music, and It should be good. *I've never heard it* He is a music genius, but has major issues. For one, children have slept with him in his bed. NOT sex, just sleeping. He also held his newborn baby out a window. *shudder* He, in my opinion, is unfit to be a parent. He may have missed out on a childhood, but that is no reason while having kids to be kind of careless about their safety. In South Park, they addressed this issue, in their own wierd way. with him being a sort-of unfit parent. until they go with Kyle putting in this line: "What if he is innocent of these crimes? So what if he missed out on his childhood? It would be fine for him to be like this, but he's a PARENT now." When you become a parent, you must sacrifice some freedoms in order to care for your child. if you are careless and lead numerous other lives, then you would end up with teenagers that aren't raised well.

In short, Micheal Jackson may be innocent, but like above posters have said, he is unfit to be a parent.

[Tiff]

He is respected for his music, and It should be good. *I've never heard it* He is a music genius, but has major issues. For one, children have slept with him in his bed. NOT sex, just sleeping. He also held his newborn baby out a window. *shudder* He, in my opinion, is unfit to be a parent.

*SNIP*

In short, Micheal Jackson may be innocent, but like above posters have said, he is unfit to be a parent.

I'm not EXCUSING his behavior by saying his childhood was torn away from him. I'm saying it's a REASON.

REASONS and JUSTIFICATIONS are NOT the same thing. We're not JUSTIFYING his behavior..but simply stating reasons for them. People have limits. People SNAP. And I believe Michael Jackson has had that limit surpassed more than once. This makes people do things, things that are sometimes wrong.

Having children sleep in your bed doesn't make you unfit parent, per se. That just means he doesn't know its' wrong..and that's part of his instability as a human being.

You're pointing out things that have NOTHING to do with his parenting. Hanging his OWN baby out a window? Yes, parenting. Sleeping with children that aren't his? Has nothing to do with is own parenting.

[Tempest]

I adored his earlier music. I've always felt that his was very talented and well deserving of his titles and awards. He sent a positive, peacful message with some of his music, like 'man in the mirror' and 'black and white'. Even his radical movement between races was the result of some equality expression. Some of his videos were even multi-cultural/racial. While he did display very positive ideas like, "Love your children. They are important and are your future" and "Race is only the color of your skin." he seriously needs help.
I'm saying this as a fan. He needs to check into a clinic before he harms his children in some way. If he loves his children as much as he leads people to believe, he wouldn't be able to live with himself if he did anything to hurt them. He may be to far gone to help himself. So many nose jobs caused him to loose his nose (he wears a prosthetic one at concerts) and I have no doubt of his mental problems, but he might be able to get somewhat better for his children if he gets help now.

As far as the molestaion charges: I'm skeptical. If he IS a pedophile, why is there only 2 cases in which he was charged with molestation of a minor? 12-13 years a part no less. Untreated, most pedophiles won't wait so long before he targets another child and attacks again.
OK, lets say he did abuse many children in the between time. How come we havn't heard anything about that? Micheal Jackson is internationally famous. As Tiff said, some people would want to see him in jail for abusing their children. Then there are those who want money more than justice. They would be able to bleed Micheal dry by going to the public and annoucing it. They might settle for small amounts, but there would be some proof. Irreagular bank transactions or soemthing (I don't know much about detective work ^^;). Without proof they are simply two allegations made over a decade apart that's likely a stunt to humiliate and extort money from Micheal.

On the other hand: if he's guilty send the bastard to jail. I'm not letting semi-fanaticism blind me from justice. Yes, he's mentally unstable. Don't send him to jail and not get the treatment he obviously deserves. He can recieve good treatment in a prision facility. Either way, the man's going to get help and he needs to pay for sexually abusing a child.

[doodlebuguk]

Although I am not a fan of his style of music, I can see that Micheal Jackson is a brilliant singer, dancer and a songwriter. I also get annoyed at the media attention he receives about his looks, his behaiviour etc. But I can see that he brings it on himself a bit. For example, how he behaved when he can out of the court house the first time this year. What did he do? He jumped on top of his car and started waiving to the crowds. It wasn't a very good way for a man attending court on child molestation charges to act.

I don't think that he is a Pedophile. I think he is really just trying to relive his childhood through other kids. Concidering he never really had a childhood, and what he did have was terrible, I can see why he acts this way. But seriously, someone needs to tell him that the way he acts around other people's children children (sharing beds with them, inviting over for sleepovers) isn't a socially acceptable way for a man in his mid 40s to act.

I think that's Micheal's major problem; NO ONE WILL TELL HIM WHAT HE IS DOING IS ODD. He's surrounded by yes-men who will do everything his says and don't dare question him in case they are fired. No one is going to say 'Err Micheal... it's not a good idea to invite children over for sleepovers. Some people might interpret it the wrong way.' But that ain't going to happen, and I think it's too late now.

I seriously think he needs to see a councellor to try and sort out his problems, brought on by his fame and his traumatic childhood. He does need some help raising his kids, but I think they are in pretty good hands; there must be tonnes of nannies and helpers working at Neverland, but it's such a shame those kids will never have a 'normal' life.

[ParaKiss_Groupie]

I think that's Micheal's major problem; NO ONE WILL TELL HIM WHAT HE IS DOING IS ODD. He's surrounded by yes-men who will do everything his says and don't dare question him in case they are fired. No one is going to say 'Err Micheal... it's not a good idea to invite children over for sleepovers. Some people might interpret it the wrong way.' But that ain't going to happen, and I think it's too late now.

See, I don't think that has anything to do with it. Micheal does have people telling him not to do these things. God, his PR staff must want to kill themselves every time he goes out in public. The thing is that Micheal himself doesn't understand it. No matter how many people tell him that he shouldn't do what he does, until he realizes how it seems, he won't listen. I doubt he really even understands what he's being accused of. I personally believe that he finds the charges unspeakable. He really does love children, and doesn't understand how someone could accuse him of molesting them. But he can't fight it, because no one else understands how he thinks.

[Artemis Lover]

Michael Jackson is sick, plain and simple. It's like, "Oh my! I must hide my children from the world because something bad could happen to them! Here, have these masks and capes!" "Now watch me as I dangle my baby out the window. "
I disagree to the statement "Black man turned white woman" however. I would have to say "Black man turned gray genderless "IT"

[peachvampiress]

Artemis Lover

Michael Jackson is sick, plain and simple. It's like, "Oh my! I must hide my children from the world because something bad could happen to them! Here, have these masks and capes!"

I thought that was Debbie Roe's idea? People were telling her that they were going to kidnap her children and harm them and she asked Michael to put masks on them to keep their children safe. What's wrong with trying to protect them, maybe it's a bit extreme, but it's better than locking them in a room with no windows so no one can get to them. At least they can go outside if they wear masks.

[Tiff]

Artemis Lover

Michael Jackson is sick, plain and simple. It's like, "Oh my! I must hide my children from the world because something bad could happen to them! Here, have these masks and capes!"

I thought that was Debbie Roe's idea? People were telling her that they were going to kidnap her children and harm them and she asked Michael to put masks on them to keep their children safe. What's wrong with trying to protect them, maybe it's a bit extreme, but it's better than locking them in a room with no windows so no one can get to them. At least they can go outside if they wear masks.

I agree. Hiding his children doesn't make him sick..it makes him a bit strange, yes, but..not sick o___O;

[peachvampiress]

*takes a swiffer sweeper to this topic*

I just have a few questions related to the trial. Does anyone know the name of the child and his family that are accusing him, and does anyone know what the name of their lawyers are? I'm researching this case for Law 12 and yahoo and google arent helping me. (That and any news archives site is useless -_-)