Farenheit 9/11: Your thoughts

[AnimeGuru0]

Asteroid - Especially from the states that were extremely against the war. I believe that France and Russia had some HUGE food for oil scandals going on.

Twinkies - UN embargos did NOTHING to hinder Saddam's military. Of course it severely affected the Iraqi economy, but instead of hurting the military (like intended), Saddam kept his military budget relatively the same. Thus, the Iraqi people felt the full force of the embargos.

Also, missles were pointed at Israel and Kuwait 24 hours a day 7 days a week. If my memory hasn't failed me, a few actually hit Kuwait in the latest Iraqi war. Israel got hit a few times in the first Gulf war. The only reason Saddam didn't bully Israel and Kuwait arund more in the past 13 years was because he KNEW the consequences of those actons, not because he couldn't.

[Sailorasteroid]

Asteroid - Especially from the states that were extremely against the war. I believe that France and Russia had some HUGE food for oil scandals going on.

Oh sure, but I don't dount that Kofi Annan and all the people in positions of power at the UN weren't getting their cut through various pipelines (no pun intended).

Anyway, here's news on F9/11: According to the IMDB, a small newspaper is suing Michael Moore for misrepresenting their front page. They're saying that Moore showed other papers' front pages with headlines arguing Al Gore's victory in the 2000 presedential election, and then one from The Pantagraph in Bloomington. But it was only a head given to one of the letters to the editor, summarizing what the writer was saying.

I doubt this lawsuit will get anywhere in terms of legal victories, but it should achieve its aim of displaying the kind of tactics Moore uses to color the truth in his movies.

In an unrelated story (I feel like a real news-guy! ^_^), F9/11 may be disqualified from the Best Documentary Oscar competition because it has been shown on Cuban television, which would be against the Academy rules. It's possible that this was some kind of bootleg; the Academy is looking into it. It's also been suggested that it's a plan by the producers to put the film into the Best Picture category instead of Best Documentary.

[peachvampiress]

Just for a lark (and because I like saying the word lark), here is a link to moviemistakes.com's list of errors in Moore's two pieces of shi- I mean documentaries:

Moviemistakes BFC

Moviemistakes F9/11

Farenhiet just came out, so it'll be a little while until they find more goofs (it takes a while for moviemistakes to update everything)

Interesting though, I was going to give links to IMDB's list of errors, but they don't have any despite the fact that moviemistakes and IMDB usually have the same list of errors for the same films.

[Death_2004]

Just for a lark (and because I like saying the word lark), here is a link to moviemistakes.com's list of errors in Moore's two pieces of shi- I mean documentaries:

Moviemistakes BFC

Moviemistakes F9/11

Farenhiet just came out, so it'll be a little while until they find more goofs (it takes a while for moviemistakes to update everything)

Interesting though, I was going to give links to IMDB's list of errors, but they don't have any despite the fact that moviemistakes and IMDB usually have the same list of errors for the same films.

That is very interesting. Isn't modifying a newspaper article a copy right viloation?

[Parallax]

Just for a lark (and because I like saying the word lark), here is a link to moviemistakes.com's list of errors in Moore's two pieces of shi- I mean documentaries:

Moviemistakes BFC

Moviemistakes F9/11

Farenhiet just came out, so it'll be a little while until they find more goofs (it takes a while for moviemistakes to update everything)

Interesting though, I was going to give links to IMDB's list of errors, but they don't have any despite the fact that moviemistakes and IMDB usually have the same list of errors for the same films.

That is very interesting. Isn't modifying a newspaper article a copy right viloation?

It is indeed. Moore should be prosecuted for that and all of his lies.

[mizangelamy]

I watched Fahrenheit 9/11 last night and finding out some things that I never knew about Gorege W. Bush did and effects of 9/11. It made me think twice who should I trust to rule the country. What do you think about this documentary?

[Artemis]

I think that there's a topic on this already...

[Tiff]

I think that there's a topic on this already...

Yes, there is.

miznagelamy, please make sure that a thread you start doesn't already exist.

Thread merged.

[Sailorasteroid]

I watched Fahrenheit 9/11 last night and finding out some things that I never knew about Gorege W. Bush did and effects of 9/11. It made me think twice who should I trust to rule the country. What do you think about this documentary?

If Farenheit 9/11 made you think twice, you should probably think thrice. There's a film out there that's trying to present the flaws and agendas in Moore's film, FarenHYPE 9/11, and it makes a nice double feature with the Moore film, so you get both sides of the story and can decide for yourself.

[peachvampiress]

Cfox just put up this hilarious link Here. It's a spoof of Farenhiet 9/11 called Fellowship 9/11. It's pretty funny, so check it out.

[DuoTheShinigami02]

I watched Fahrenheit 9/11 last night and finding out some things that I never knew about Gorege W. Bush did and effects of 9/11. It made me think twice who should I trust to rule the country. What do you think about this documentary?

If Farenheit 9/11 made you think twice, you should probably think thrice. There's a film out there that's trying to present the flaws and agendas in Moore's film, FarenHYPE 9/11, and it makes a nice double feature with the Moore film, so you get both sides of the story and can decide for yourself.

FahrenHype, IMO, is nothing more than a conservative's response to the movie, featuring Bush's butt-kissers and Ann Coulter.

To those who dismiss F911 as propaganda, try watching Fox News Channel or listen to a Clear Channel radio station (there's a good chance that the station you listen to is owned by CC), as they are connected to the GOP and the Bush Administration.

[ParaKiss_Groupie]

I watched Fahrenheit 9/11 last night and finding out some things that I never knew about Gorege W. Bush did and effects of 9/11. It made me think twice who should I trust to rule the country. What do you think about this documentary?

If Farenheit 9/11 made you think twice, you should probably think thrice. There's a film out there that's trying to present the flaws and agendas in Moore's film, FarenHYPE 9/11, and it makes a nice double feature with the Moore film, so you get both sides of the story and can decide for yourself.

FahrenHype, IMO, is nothing more than a conservative's response to the movie, featuring Bush's butt-kissers and Ann Coulter.

To those who dismiss F911 as propaganda, try watching Fox News Channel or listen to a Clear Channel radio station (there's a good chance that the station you listen to is owned by CC), as they are connected to the GOP and the Bush Administration.

Most other media channels however, are overly liberal. Nothing we watch or listen to is unbiased, so the best thing to do is what Sailor Asteroid suggested: Watch both and decide for yourself.

[peachvampiress]

Well, apparently Moore's going to make a sequel to F 9/11. Imdb news has a short piece here.

Moore

Fifty-one per cent of the American people lacked information (in this election) and we want to educate and enlighten them. They weren't told the truth.

Never in my life have I seen so much bullshit compacted into two sentences. Of course, 51% of the American people don't agree with Moore, so naturally they must be unenlightned idiots. I'm not even going to comment on the "They weren't told the truth line".

[RoastedTwinkies]

Well, apparently Moore's going to make a sequel to F 9/11. Imdb news has a short piece here.

Moore

Fifty-one per cent of the American people lacked information (in this election) and we want to educate and enlighten them. They weren't told the truth.

Never in my life have I seen so much bullshit compacted into two sentences. Of course, 51% of the American people don't agree with Moore, so naturally they must be unenlightned idiots. I'm not even going to comment on the "They weren't told the truth line".

I can't even comment on that. Seriously, that makes me go -_-;;;

[jupiter23]

Well, apparently Moore's going to make a sequel to F 9/11. Imdb news has a short piece here.

Moore

Fifty-one per cent of the American people lacked information (in this election) and we want to educate and enlighten them. They weren't told the truth.

Never in my life have I seen so much bullshit compacted into two sentences. Of course, 51% of the American people don't agree with Moore, so naturally they must be unenlightned idiots. I'm not even going to comment on the "They weren't told the truth line".

I don't agree with Moore, so I guess that does make me an idiot. (Sarcasm used here) As I have said before, I have no intention of seeing F911 because I don't like the way Moore presents his information. I saw Bowling For Columbine and it made me want to ram my head through a window.

[AnimeGuru0]

FahrenHype, IMO, is nothing more than a conservative's response to the movie, featuring Bush's butt-kissers and Ann Coulter.

To those who dismiss F911 as propaganda, try watching Fox News Channel or listen to a Clear Channel radio station (there's a good chance that the station you listen to is owned by CC), as they are connected to the GOP and the Bush Administration.

It's not even about dismissing F911 as propaganda, F911 _IS_ propaganda. There's no arguing over that point. As parakisu said too, yeah Fox News is a conservative station, but most other media outlets are overly liberal. CNN is a prime example that's definately very liberal. If there's a non-biased news outlet out there, please show me.

As for FarenHYPE, so what if a republican group made a response? I think if Moore is twisting information and context around, the group he's attacking should have a right to defend itself.

Anyways, as asteroid said, FarenHYPE is a great counterbalance to F911. If someone really wants the full story, they should watch both films and decide for themselves what they believe about certain issues. To only read one side of a story (whether it be conservative, liberal, authoritative, libertarialistic etc.) is just......shows naivety.

[Anthy]

CNN is a prime example that's definately very liberal. If there's a non-biased news outlet out there, please show me.

How, exactly, is CNN liberal? Evidence? They're one of the most respected news stations.

The "liberal media" is a myth; news channels are only as liberal as the conservative companies who own them.

[Sailorasteroid]

How, exactly, is CNN liberal? Evidence?

Just of the top of my bookshelf:

On race issues:

"I'm looking for a young black entrepremeur. . . to profile for CNN NewsNight. Since this will be part of a series about race in America, the ideal candidate is someone who struggled or encountered discrimination while looking for jobs or working in the tech sector (also could be someone who became frustrated by the predominantly white male culture) and subsequently decided to strike out on his/her own." -from an e-mail by a producer of NewsNight.

On homosexuality and bias, as relates to the gay priest scandal:

"One day at a meeting, I brought this up, how it [the gay angle] is part of the story we need to be reporting. And what I heard is 'We don't want to go there; we'll be seen as bashing homosexuals.' . . . We're so politically correct, we're so scared to say anything negative about a group that supposedly needs our protection."
-A CNN producer

On the 2000 presidential election:

"[Al] Gore won Illinois by 12 points and CNN crowned him the winner in one minute. [George] Bush won Georgia by 12 points and CNN waited thirty-three minutes.

Gore won New Jersey by 15 points and CNN announced it in one minute. Bush won Alabama by 15 points and CNN waited twenty-six minutes.

Gore won Delaware by 13 points and CNN waited just three minutes. Bush won North Carolina by 13 points and CNN waited thirty-four minutes.

Gore won Minnesota by 2 points and CNN waited thirty-seven minutes. Bush won Tennessee by 3 points and CNN waited twice as long--an hour and sixteen minutes."

The first two quotes are from Arrogance: Rescuing America from the Media Elite by Bernard Goldberg. The third is from At Any Cost: How Al Gore Tried to Steal the Election by Bill Sammon. For more on liberal media bias in general, check out Bias: A CBS Insider Exposes How the Media Distort the News also by Bernard Goldberg, The Media Research Center(a website, link provided), run by L. Brent Bozell III, or for a non-conservative look, the chapter on media bias in The Ten Things You Can't Say in America by Larry Elder, a libertarian.

[AnimeGuru0]

How, exactly, is CNN liberal? Evidence? They're one of the most respected news stations.

The "liberal media" is a myth; news channels are only as liberal as the conservative companies who own them.

Aside from what Asteroid pointed out, just watching CNN you can tell that they have a liberal bias. Yes, they are one of the most respected news stations. That doesn't mean they're not liberal though. Being a liberal news station doesn't make it a bad station by any means, it just means they swing more to the left than to the right. Fox news on the other hand swings more to the right than to the left, making it a conservative news channel. That doesn't mean Fox News is bad, it just means they're more conservative.

And you're right, news channels are only as liberal as their companies. Fox News is obviously conservative cause Fox is run by a bunch of "righties" (aka republicans/conservatives). AOL-Time Warner (who owns CNN) on the other hand has more "Lefties" (aka democrats/liberals) running it, so of course it's going to shift more to the left.

As for evidence, just watch CNN, you'll see that a lot of their stories are more slanted towards the left. You can especially see it in interviews with the anchors. It's ESPECIALLY evident on AOL's news feed, which is RIDICULOUSLY left. You should have seen some of the stuff they were headlining during the war in Iraq. As for Fox, just look at Bill O'Reilly (sp?). You don't get much more "right" than that, lol.

[TheresaJ]

I haven't seen it, don't want to. I do not like Michael Moore and I don't like liberalism. ^^ That's my opinion.