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XD Sorry, but the image that created in my head was priceless...
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Post by Sailor X » Thu Jul 15, 2004 3:57 pm

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Ni-ban Neko wrote:Bridezilla
XD Sorry, but the image that created in my head was priceless...
Yes... Bride of Godzilla in a wedding dress, terrifying all the citizens of a town in June and destroying the whole city, except for wedding shops, screaming "I do! I DO!" :D
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Post by Jonathan » Thu Jul 15, 2004 6:28 pm

I was spending the day with my aunt, and we went to the mall. She got this music box for her daughter and she was like "She's going to love it1 She loves these things."

She was so excited to give it to give it to her. When we got to her house, she happily gave it to my cousin, and she slammed it on the floor.

"That's for not letting me go to (insert name here because I don't remember his name) house yesterday.

I said, "You're just going to let her do that?!"
"It's okay. She's always like that."

She should've done something instead of just saying, "It's okay."
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Post by RoastedTwinkies » Fri Jul 16, 2004 12:05 am

yoshmaster5 wrote: My thing:
I saw Spiderman 2 on Monday, thought it was average... but this guy brought a 3-year old to the movie. and she was FRIGHTENED, and the dad did nothing. she was SCREAMING, and running up and down the aisle, and making a huge fuss. after about 30 minutes, my dad snapped and said: "TAKE THE BABY OUT OF HERE!!!" it was entirely the dad's fault. he didn't give a shit, he just wanted to watch the movie even though his CHILD was screaming out of fright, and trying to get out of the theatre. ass.
That's exactly the kind of thing that really pisses me off more than anything. See, I have this weird condition where I'm really prone to get headaches all the time (even more so when I take any form of caffeine from caffeine in medicine to soda pop). I can't go to concerts, movies or anything without getting a headache. Even things like police sirens or high volume on TV's can set one off. It's horrible. When kids start screaming or goofing around, that has always set off one of my headaches, and I get really mad. I still didn't get the balls to stand up and tell the parents to shut their kids up. I'll definately do that next time. Even if I didn't get these chronic headaches, that type of thing would still piss me off.

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Post by Tempest » Fri Jul 16, 2004 1:57 am

God. Wedding cakes can go as high as 500 dollars. Maybe even more.

I have a few.

1) I was baby-sitting a little hellraiser. She was about 4-5 and would say the meanest things to my face. She'd often call me things like 'stupid' and when I'd catch her doing something bad, she'd call me a liar and blame her cousin for all the bad things she'd do. She went to visit her father's parents one weekend and then on monday tried to stand me down that I didn't have grandparents of my own.
Her grandmother (mother's side), also her primary caregiver, would just say, 'kids do that'. She just patted her on the head and laughed in a 'kids-will-be-kids' attitude. I'm not even going to go into detail about all the stuff she ruined that belonged to me and was never compensaited for. She was a child and didn't know any better. ::roll eyes:: She didn't know any better because no one EXPLAINED to her that the things she did was wrong. Her grandmother would just let her get away with all the BS. Not so much as a "Let me replace your book" or so much as an "I'm sorry". I took care of other kids that age and they didn't give me any problems. At least, not as severe as that.

2) My sister and I went to see Scary Movie in theatres, but some Dad brought 9-10 year old to watch it too. Not only was I unable to enjoy the movie (well, I didn't anyway. I don't care for vulgar movies like that) without the silence being broken with, "Eeew. She's so stupid", "What is that!?", "What's she doing that for?", but when the kid got bored with the movie, he began wandering around trying to talk to people and moved from seat to seat. I'm mad with the theatre staff for not doing something about it when they first went to go see it, but the parent should have been responable for the child's wellbeing and left when the movie began to get bad.
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Post by peachvampiress » Fri Jul 16, 2004 2:12 am

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I saw Spiderman 2 on Monday, thought it was average... but this guy brought a 3-year old to the movie. and she was FRIGHTENED, and the dad did nothing. she was SCREAMING, and running up and down the aisle, and making a huge fuss. after about 30 minutes, my dad snapped and said: "TAKE THE BABY OUT OF HERE!!!" it was entirely the dad's fault. he didn't give a shit, he just wanted to watch the movie even though his CHILD was screaming out of fright, and trying to get out of the theatre. ass.
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2) My sister and I went to see Scary Movie in theatres, but some Dad brought 9-10 year old to watch it too. Not only was I unable to enjoy the movie (well, I didn't anyway. I don't care for vulgar movies like that) without the silence being broken with, "Eeew. She's so stupid", "What is that!?", "What's she doing that for?", but when the kid got bored with the movie, he began wandering around trying to talk to people and moved from seat to seat. I'm mad with the theatre staff for not doing something about it when they first went to go see it, but the parent should have been responable for the child's wellbeing and left when the movie began to get bad.
I HATE it when parents bring kids to movies when A) They're irritating and talk the entire time and B) They're to young to watch it. If you parents just HAVE to watch that PG-13/R rated horror/thriller/porn/long movie and can't leave your kids at home, just wait until you can rent the movie and leave those in the theatre alone.
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Post by Jusenkyo no Pikachu » Fri Jul 16, 2004 3:17 am

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Tiff wrote:*Nods* Exactly. And it's children like this that grow up to be the ADULTS that demand shit from others and feel no need to earn it themselves. I cannot stand people-children included-who constantly get something for nothing.
That's exactly what paints society a bad face. These spoiled brats grow up to little pre-madonna's and expect everything to be given to them. Who in their right mind would want to marry someone like that?
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Post by Tiff » Fri Jul 16, 2004 4:57 am

Sailorasteroid wrote:What I was trying to say before (I think ^_^) is that I *like* that Veruca Salt-ian "I want it now" attitude, even if it can't be used in practical society. Let's carry the example forward--let's say the kid pays for his own ice cream. Now he doesn't have to whine or scream. But neither does he get the unbridled satisfaction of simply wanting and having. He's just making a fair exchange, money he earned for something he wants. This may sound silly or petty, but think about it logically: doesn't sacrificing your money to get something take away a little of the joy of owning it, since now that money can't go to something else? Well, only a child can get somthing in exchange simply for wanting it. I agree with you all about spoiling the kids and them getting used to it and growing up to be bad adults, but I think it's a shame that we all have to grow up and lose that ability. If we could find a way to support our kids perpetually and not have them ever need to become civilized, I think we'd let them become spoiled and it'd be ok. But it'll be a long time, if ever, before we can afford to do that.
Well, I'll tell you what, buddy. You wanna raise your kids like selfish, spoiled, completely bratty boils on the butt of humanity? Go right ahead. Just don't ever enroll them into the class I plan to teach when I get a teaching job. Ever. Becuase not only will I lose all respect for you as a future parent once I see how bratty your kids will turn out to be, but I will NEVER allow a child in my care to speak or act in such a manner. Your children will have their butts hauled to the principal so fast for a good paddling, that their "I want" attitude will surely dissipate.

I was spoiled, of course, for being the only girl and the youngest in my family. But I NEVER demanded ANYTHING of my parents, or ANY of my elders for that matter. I knew better. There's a fine line between being spoiled, and being a spoiled BRAT. My parents didn't let us become brats. And becuase of that, I consider myself a damn good human being.

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Post by Jusenkyo no Pikachu » Fri Jul 16, 2004 6:48 am

...wow, Tiffu, you sound like the teacher I should have had (but never really did).

And Sailorasteroid, there is a reason that Veruca went down the chute.
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Post by Sailorasteroid » Fri Jul 16, 2004 6:57 am

Tiff wrote:Well, I'll tell you what, buddy. You wanna raise your kids like selfish, spoiled, completely bratty boils on the butt of humanity? Go right ahead. Just don't ever enroll them into the class I plan to teach when I get a teaching job. Ever. Becuase not only will I lose all respect for you as a future parent once I see how bratty your kids will turn out to be, but I will NEVER allow a child in my care to speak or act in such a manner. Your children will have their butts hauled to the principal so fast for a good paddling, that their "I want" attitude will surely dissipate.

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My parents didn't let us become brats. And becuase of that, I consider myself a damn good human being.
I never said I would raise my children so, just that I'd want to. And as we've said, you can't always get what you want. To the contrary, I said that my children would have to know they need to earn what they want. Is that being bratty? But I'll be wishing that it were otherwise. Yes, you're a good human being and I will try to make my children good human beings too. But that's a beginning, not an ending. Once their moral compass is set I want them to be happy, and to have reasons for their happiness. Yes, they'll have to know not to demand toys and not to punch other people's cakes. But I think they'll be happier if toys and cakes and similar things are their goals, and they don't get caught up in thinking that they are required to be involuntary servants to their fellow man. That's the kind of good human I want my kids to be--good to others, but also good to themselves.
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Post by peachvampiress » Fri Jul 16, 2004 1:30 pm

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I never said I would raise my children so, just that I'd want to. And as we've said, you can't always get what you want. To the contrary, I said that my children would have to know they need to earn what they want. Is that being bratty? But I'll be wishing that it were otherwise. Yes, you're a good human being and I will try to make my children good human beings too. But that's a beginning, not an ending. Once their moral compass is set I want them to be happy, and to have reasons for their happiness. Yes, they'll have to know not to demand toys and not to punch other people's cakes. But I think they'll be happier if toys and cakes and similar things are their goals, and they don't get caught up in thinking that they are required to be involuntary servants to their fellow man. That's the kind of good human I want my kids to be--good to others, but also good to themselves.
I think what you're trying to explain is that you want your kids to have ambition. And while that's not a bad thing, it isn't always a good thing, like in MacBeth (wow, I did learn something useful in English). To constantly be wanting to earn something for ourselves is normal and we all do it. The problem is when it's the only thing you do, and when the stuff you're trying to get isn't neccesary. If you're constantly trying to get yourself various, useless stuff, you're waisting a lot of time. Time you could have used trying to help other people.

If a child is constantly worried about not having this toy or that toy, and spends all their time trying to get it, even if they don't demand that their parents buy it for them, then they still are selfish. They could be using that time to play with their friends, or spend time with their parents doing things together as a family. I think it's wrong to teach a child to constantly want everything they see, especially if it's a material good. Teach them to once in a while earn something everyone can share.
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Post by Anthy » Fri Jul 16, 2004 3:43 pm

::grimaces at the stories told in this topic:: Those kids are the ones who grow up to shoplift and do drugs because they can.

I was driving my friend Josie to Payless (a grocery/department store) along with her two friends. One of them asked me, "Is this your car?" to which I replied "Pretty much, yes. My dad uses it when he needs to drive long distances, though." The girl said I was spoiled in return. Might I mention that this girl smokes weed, gets poor grades in school, and shoplifts every time she visits a store?

So, I'm giving her a ride, not asking her to chip in for gas money, and she's commenting on my spoiledness. I got the car because I have good grades and I'm generally well-behaved. If I had been a wild child this last year, I wouldn't have the privilege of having one.

Yeah... that wasn't completely on-topic, but it covers the theme of disciplining your genitalspawn.

I've been to movies a couple times where there were kids running up and down the aisles and shrieking. Often, these kids have those shoes that blink when they run... argh.

Oh, and all the times at restaurants where I was sitting next to parents who would be totally oblivious to the fact that their spawn was screaming its stupid head off and generally being a nuisance.

Another type of parent I LOATHE: Those who feed their kids sugary junk food constantly, put the kid in front of the TV instead of urging him/her to develop some sort of hobby (such as piano or little league baseball or drawing pictures or SOMETHING), and get UTTERLY BAFFLED when their kid can't concentrate in class.

I repeat: TV AND VIDEOGAMES ARE BAD FOR KIDS. It's been proven time and time again in studies that watching television lowers attention span and slows development in young children.

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Anthy wrote: Another type of parent I LOATHE: Those who feed their kids sugary junk food constantly, put the kid in front of the TV instead of urging him/her to develop some sort of hobby (such as piano or little league baseball or drawing pictures or SOMETHING), and get UTTERLY BAFFLED when their kid can't concentrate in class.

I repeat: TV AND VIDEOGAMES ARE BAD FOR KIDS. It's been proven time and time again in studies that watching television lowers attention span and slows development in young children.

If you can't take care of your kid without having the TV babysit it, don't be a parent.
Well, if it's done in moderation, then it can be fine and dandy. My brothers and I used to play nintendo and watch cartoons, but it wasn't an all day thing. That's where the difference lies. We may have played video games and watched TV, but we also rode our bikes, played with our toys, drew pictures, and ran around in the sun. Parents have to BALANCE the two.

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Post by peachvampiress » Fri Jul 16, 2004 4:57 pm

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Another type of parent I LOATHE: Those who feed their kids sugary junk food constantly
A few years ago, my mom and I were shopping in Extra Foods and we stopped to look at something. This middle aged mother with her three kids aged 6-10 wanted to get passed us. The only things in her cart were large bottles of pop and at least five large T.V. dinners. Obviously my mom didn't see her, but this woman says to her in a bitchy tone "Can you move?" No please, no excuse me, just your standard bitch question. Way to be a good role model for your kids lady :roll: . When you want something, don't be patient, just ask rudely without being polite. Politness and patience never gets you anywhere -_-
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Post by Sailorasteroid » Fri Jul 16, 2004 10:29 pm

peachvampiress wrote:I think what you're trying to explain is that you want your kids to have ambition. And while that's not a bad thing, it isn't always a good thing, like in MacBeth (wow, I did learn something useful in English). To constantly be wanting to earn something for ourselves is normal and we all do it. The problem is when it's the only thing you do, and when the stuff you're trying to get isn't neccesary. If you're constantly trying to get yourself various, useless stuff, you're waisting a lot of time. Time you could have used trying to help other people.
Some people can honestly find pleasure in helping others. I don't at all. I take pleasure in seeing others help themselves, but I think a general interconnectedness among people is not as good as a general self-sufficiency. And I refuse to accept that people who spend their time helping people, even if they're happy doing it, are somehow better than me. I refuse to accept the idea that sacrificing your own utility for that of others is the essense of virtue.
If a child is constantly worried about not having this toy or that toy, and spends all their time trying to get it, even if they don't demand that their parents buy it for them, then they still are selfish. They could be using that time to play with their friends, or spend time with their parents doing things together as a family. I think it's wrong to teach a child to constantly want everything they see, especially if it's a material good. Teach them to once in a while earn something everyone can share.
Why are material wants considered inferior to spiritual ones? And regardless, I think every child wants friends and a loving family. But they shouldn't have to subserviate their selfish desires for their communal ones.

Now, it seems to me, and correct me if I'm wrong, that you're saying no one can, or should, be both selfish and happy. That if one is happy, it should be through something that also makes others happy, or if selfish, that should make that person unhappy. Like there's some neurological ledger where the debits have to match the credits. For some deep reason I don't like that notion. I like to think that we all have a chance to grow beyond a balance of zero and make something of ourselves discrete and independent from the rest of the world. That's pretty complex to apply or try to teach to children, when it'll seem like I'm giving them license to run wild, but it's only through thinking and personal examination that a child can become that special kind of person.

Again, just my .02.
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Post by Tiff » Fri Jul 16, 2004 10:36 pm

Sailorasteroid wrote:
Now, it seems to me, and correct me if I'm wrong, that you're saying no one can, or should, be both selfish and happy. That if one is happy, it should be through something that also makes others happy, or if selfish, that should make that person unhappy. Like there's some neurological ledger where the debits have to match the credits.
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No. We're saying that it's wrong to let selfishness be the ONLY trait in a child. And I've seen that happen. It's sickening. And we're also saying that it's complete bad parenting to let your child be overcome with this selfishness, and then let it rule YOU.

My entire point to the ice cream story was that this mother let her child dictate the rules. And that's not good parenting. She has no control over her little brat.

I think it's pretty obvious to me you've never worked with children in your life. If you have, sorry, but...I think you'd do a very poor job should you ever decide to do so.

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Post by peachvampiress » Fri Jul 16, 2004 10:55 pm

Okay, I just got back from Wal-Mart with my mom and we were stuck behind the most stupidest mother I've ever seen while in the check out line. This chick as three sons, I'd say two 3 year olds and an 8 year old. She's letting her 3 year old balance on the shopping cart, looking like he's ready to fall and crack his head open. And the other three year old is running around hitting stuff, acting like he's a power ranger I'd say. She's yelling at her eight year old to control them while the cashier trys to find the prices for all the stuff she's bought (because she bought stuff that wasn't marked). One of the three year olds is nearly hitting me and my mom (and if he did, I would have smacked him no doubt about it). He runs to the candies and trys to undo them while screaming. The eight year old is trying to control him. The little one runs everywhere spitting on stuff while all the mother can do is yell at him to keep him under control. All the while I'm pantamiming back handing the brat and saying to my mom "It's just this easy, maybe a little snap of the rist for a stinging affect." Then, when we finally get our stuff payed for, the mom is still infront of us, blocking our way, while she takes one of the many toys she just bought and undoes it because her son is just going to die if he doesn't have his toy right away.

BLARG!!!!!!!
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Post by Sailorasteroid » Fri Jul 16, 2004 11:16 pm

Tiff wrote:No. We're saying that it's wrong to let selfishness be the ONLY trait in a child. And I've seen that happen. It's sickening. And we're also saying that it's complete bad parenting to let your child be overcome with this selfishness, and then let it rule YOU.
Well, it almost certainly takes a strong parent to raise a child in the manner I'm suggesting. One who is secure enough in their own life that they won't allow themselves to be doormatted by their child. It was suggested by Yoshmaster5, and I think correctly, that the parents of the brats you refer to want either worship their children or disdain them and want their own life. These charactaristics indicate shallow people who probably have messed up themselves and are now working on their children. A parent who knows their own standards of what they will or won't do, and who have become successful in society by those standards, should be able to raise a child who does not act bratty. This regardless of what those standards are--if they're good enough for the parent to survive and thrive, they should be good enough for the child to grow into.
I think it's pretty obvious to me you've never worked with children in your life. If you have, sorry, but...I think you'd do a very poor job should you ever decide to do so.
I've baby-sat, if that counts. And I've supervised children while the parents were there many times. And the children have almost universally liked me, because I have given them the freedom to act as they wanted, until they tried something they had no right to do.

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Post by AnimatedEvey12 » Mon Jan 26, 2009 11:34 pm

My cousin(s) mothers (same father, different mothers) are hellraisers. They're extremely lazy and they have no structure what so ever. For example: My 12 year old cousin has a cell phone and every month his bill is in the two hundreds and his mother would take it away for a month and then give it back to him and the same thing would happen all over again. Seriously wtf? If you know your child can't learn his lesson just don't give him an effing cell phone. Oh and my other cousin (who is 16) his mom clearly doesn't know what structure/discipline is. She'll ground him for a month so she says but then two days later he's free to go. Oh and there was this one time both of them were at my uncle's house, home alone and they were goofing off as usual. Although that time they decided to jump on my uncle's bed and they broke his bed and ran out the back door down the street to the Burger King. Their parents didn't do NOTHING about it.
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Post by wink568 » Tue Jan 27, 2009 10:08 pm

Does anybody else's blood pressure shoot straight up every time you hear a screaming kid, and the parents doing nothing about it. I know for a fact that at least one of the rules I'll have for my kids is that if you can't behave in public, you're going to wait in the car, even if it's between me or the father sitting in the car with the unruly kid while the other stays with the rest of the family while out to eat or something.

I was in Subway a couple weeks ago, visiting my sister (who works there). I used to work there as well, so I have an understanding as to what irks you, and what you can and can't do. The family in front of us consisted of what appeared to be two women in the store, one woman in the car honking and trying to scream changes in her order to the others, and a bunch of children that could have been mother by either of the women, considering how none of the women acted like a responsible mother. Anyway, the kids were running all over the place, knocking over signs, trying to sneak in the back "employees only area" and such. They hit the last straw, when I saw a broken table, and one of the children climbing on it. The table had a sign saying "Please do not use" or something along those lines, because it was very obviously broken. The table part was actually at a 45 degree angle to the benches. Knowing that they didn't make the connection between my sister and I, so she wouldn't get in trouble, I said to the child, as sugar coated as I could. "Sweetie, you really should get down from there before you hurt yourself." My main intention was embarrassing the mother, which I did, considering it's not the kid's fault she's undisciplined and has a dead beat mom. Let's just say, I was glad when they left.

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