Harry Potter

Ni-ban Neko · Post by **Ni-ban Neko** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 9:21 pm

ParaKiss_Groupie wrote:Actually, I always got the same idea that SailorAsteroid did. I think that Draco is going to end up being not necessarily a bad guy. [spoiler]However, hasn't it been hinted at that Neville is going to be the one who destroys Voldemort, and not Harry? [/spoiler]

[spoiler]What happened is that there were two boys who could have been the one that destroyed Voldemort - Harry and Neville. When Voldemort attacked Harry but not Neville, that sealed the deal that it had to be Harry.

My take on that is that Voldemort may have thought Neville was too easy a target - from my understanding, at that point Bellatrix Lestrange had already sent the Longbottoms to St. Mungo's, and thus, they, and their son, weren't a threat to him any longer.

The Potters were still a danger, and thus, the attack, which made it have to be Harry.

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Sailorasteroid · Post by **Sailorasteroid** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 9:24 pm

Draco might not become a totally good guy, but he could be like Snape to Harry's Dumbledore: someone he trusts but doesn't like. Ni-ban, you've got a good idea, I didn't even think of having his parents killed by. . ., but that might be the catalyst.

PKG, if you're right, it means [spoiler]something went grossly wrong with the understanding of the prophecy. Because it said the Dark Lord would mark his enemy as his equal. Which is assumed to be the curse scar. But that would tie in with the idea that Neville's parents have something to contribute to the plot.[/spoiler]

Ni-ban Neko · Post by **Ni-ban Neko** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 9:54 pm

I'm going to quote and paraphrase very liberally from chapter 37 of Order of the Phoenix. Spoiler tags, on.

[spoiler]

Dumbledore, page 839: "Voldemort tried to kill you when you were a child because of a prophecy made shortly before your birth...He set out to kill you when you were a baby, believing he was fulfilling the terms of the prophecy. He discovered, to his cost, that he was mistaken, when the curse intended to kill you backfired."

Here's the prophecy itself, from page 841: "The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches....Born to those who have thrice defied him, born as the seventh month dies....And the Dark Lord will mark him as his equal, but he will have power the Dark Lord knows not.... And either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives...The One with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord will be born as the seventh month dies..."

And as pages 842 and 843 explain, Voldemort tried to kill Harry trying to fulfill the prophecy. Dumbledore explains that Voldemort had the choice between Harry and Neville, but thought Harry to be the bigger danger - "And notice this, Harry. He chose, not the pureblood (which according to his creed, is the only kind of wizard worth being or knowing), but the half-blood like himself. He saw himself in you before he had ever seen you, and in marking you with that scar, he did not kill you, as he intended, but gave you powers, and a future, which have fitted you to escape him not once, but four times so far - something that neither your parents, nor Neville's parents, ever achieved."

Voldemort also marked Harry with the scar - thus sealing the deal on the prophecy.

But, Voldemort didn't have all the information - he got the prophecy second-hand, and his eavesdropper got kicked out of the Hog's Head halfway through it. He didn't know there would be danger in attacking, and he didn't know the part about marking him as his equal.

There are two reasons that I see that Neville couldn't have been the one to fulfill the prophecy. First, he was a pureblood wizard, and given Voldy's views on purebloods, it makes an attack on one less likely. Admittedly, though, we know Voldemort did attack Neville's parents, but I'm inclined to think that had more to do with them being Aurors than it did anything else.

Lily Potter herself wasn't pureborn, and Voldemort would definitely frown on a pureblood wizard (James Potter) marrying a Muggle-born. I think that raises the odds that Voldemort would choose them.

The second is that I don't think Neville could have been marked. As I've said before, the books (particularly OotP) lead me to think that the Longbottoms were already in St. Mungo's when Harry was attacked. It was Lily Potter's love for her son that caused the curse to fail, and that in turn led to the mark. While I'm sure Alice Longbottom loves Neville very much, she may not have been able to do as Lily did, given her mental state.

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ParaKiss_Groupie · Post by **ParaKiss_Groupie** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 11:04 pm

*nods* Okay. I forgot about all the rest of the prophecy. Thanks for clearing that up for me. ^^

Artemis · Post by **Artemis** » Mon Jul 26, 2004 2:48 pm

Just learned that J.K. Rowling is pregnant for the third time...^^ I'm so happy for her!

Post by **Tiff** » Mon Jul 26, 2004 9:01 pm

Artemis wrote:Just learned that J.K. Rowling is pregnant for the third time...^^ I'm so happy for her!

Awww that's so sweet!

Of course that can mean one of two things:
1) During her pregnancy, she'll have more free time on her hands and will delve into writing the 6th book more

or

2) She'll completely devote herself to the pregnancy, and take a break from the 6th book for a while.

>_>;

Artemis · Post by **Artemis** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 5:50 pm

On her official site, she said that the pregnancy wouldn't affect book 6's progress, so hopefully it's #1. ^^

Artemis · Post by **Artemis** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 4:45 pm

Sorry for double posting, but I wanted this to be in it's own post.

A very small excerpt from HBP has been released! The secret door on JK Rowling's site opened again, and if you can get past it, a passage is revealed. I'll put it in spoilers.

[spoiler]"He looked rather like an old lion. There were streaks of gray in his mane of tawny hair and his bushy eyebrows; he had keen yellowish eyes behind a pair of wire-rimmed spectacles and a certain rangy, loping grace even though he walked with a slight limp."[/spoiler]

Sounds interesting...what do you guys think?

Jumbled Thoughts · Post by **MarioKnight** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 5:34 pm

*breif mod mode* Double posting is more along the lines of making a new post in a thread just moments after making one. Since it's been nearly a month since there being a new post in this thread, your post would definetly not be considered double posting. *end mod mode*

ParaKiss_Groupie · Post by **ParaKiss_Groupie** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 7:06 pm

Artemis wrote:Sorry for double posting, but I wanted this to be in it's own post.

A very small excerpt from HBP has been released! The secret door on JK Rowling's site opened again, and if you can get past it, a passage is revealed. I'll put it in spoilers.

[spoiler]"He looked rather like an old lion. There were streaks of gray in his mane of tawny hair and his bushy eyebrows; he had keen yellowish eyes behind a pair of wire-rimmed spectacles and a certain rangy, loping grace even though he walked with a slight limp."[/spoiler]

Sounds interesting...what do you guys think?

The first image that popped in my head after reading that was [spoiler]Aslan from the Chronicles of Narnia.[/spoiler]

*is weird*

Sailorasteroid · Post by **Sailorasteroid** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 7:08 pm

So did I! But then I just reread them this week for the first time in years. [spoiler]It's too bad Sirius was killed off, or we could have gotten some good dog/cat comedy moments.[/spoiler]

Post by **AnimeGuru0** » Wed Aug 25, 2004 9:34 pm

I found this at mugglenet.com.

Apparently there are a few rumors flying around saying that Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire is going to be a whopping 4 hours long, with an intermission.

Personally, I think this is great. I don't mind longer movies at all. But I do wonder, having a 4 hour movie REALLY might detract a lot of viewers and may lead to the movie making considerably less money, but then again, it might still be a huge hit. Although this isn't good news for the squirmish type.

Pluses to this: This probably means extreme faithfulness to the book. Sweet. Book 4 is my favorite.

Minuses: Unlike a book, movies this long tend to drag. Can they really effectively keep the audience entertained for that long?

Post by **Tiff** » Wed Aug 25, 2004 9:42 pm

AnimeGuru0 wrote:I found this at mugglenet.com.

Apparently there are a few rumors flying around saying that Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire is going to be a whopping 4 hours long, with an intermission.

Personally, I think this is great. I don't mind longer movies at all. But I do wonder, having a 4 hour movie REALLY might detract a lot of viewers and may lead to the movie making considerably less money, but then again, it might still be a huge hit. Although this isn't good news for the squirmish type.

Pluses to this: This probably means extreme faithfulness to the book. Sweet. Book 4 is my favorite.

Minuses: Unlike a book, movies this long tend to drag. Can they really effectively keep the audience entertained for that long?

KICKASS.

I'm really excited about that. Hopefully, they'll learn not to leave out any important plot developements this time ¬.¬ That four hours had better not be filled with nothing but special effects.

Sailorasteroid · Post by **Sailorasteroid** » Wed Aug 25, 2004 9:48 pm

That's great if it's true. While casual readers might not go to the long movie, there are enough rabid fans and kids who will drag their parents that it'll do fine I think, and anyone turned off to the movie for length will probably get the DVD, since with extras many are that long anyway. Between Return of the King and a long HP movie, hopefully this signals a tendency toward more grand movies that last as long as they have to.

Artemis · Post by **Artemis** » Fri Aug 27, 2004 5:17 pm

Tiff wrote:
AnimeGuru0 wrote:I found this at mugglenet.com.

Apparently there are a few rumors flying around saying that Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire is going to be a whopping 4 hours long, with an intermission.

Personally, I think this is great. I don't mind longer movies at all. But I do wonder, having a 4 hour movie REALLY might detract a lot of viewers and may lead to the movie making considerably less money, but then again, it might still be a huge hit. Although this isn't good news for the squirmish type.

Pluses to this: This probably means extreme faithfulness to the book. Sweet. Book 4 is my favorite.

Minuses: Unlike a book, movies this long tend to drag. Can they really effectively keep the audience entertained for that long?
KICKASS.

I'm really excited about that. Hopefully, they'll learn not to leave out any important plot developements this time ¬.¬ That four hours had better not be filled with nothing but special effects.

o_0 I've never heard that. From what I heard, It's going to be about 2 1/2 hours long, no intermission. I also heard that they cut out a lot of important stuff, like the Dursleys and the Yule Ball. But I seriously hope that it WILL be 4 hours long!! Like Tiffu said, that'd be totally Kickass, with a capital K.

ParaKiss_Groupie wrote:The first image that popped in my head after reading that was
[spoiler]Aslan from the Chronicles of Narnia.[/spoiler]

*is weird*

Strange, the thing that I immediately thought of was

[spoiler]Godric Gryffindor. Because the symbol of Godric Gryffindor is a lion, and this character supposedly looks like a lion. Of course, Godric is most likely dead, after 1000 years. ^^;;[/spoiler]

EDIT:

MarioKnight wrote:*breif mod mode* Double posting is more along the lines of making a new post in a thread just moments after making one. Since it's been nearly a month since there being a new post in this thread, your post would definetly not be considered double posting. *end mod mode*

Sorry about that. ^^;; At least I know now! =D

Artemis · Post by **Artemis** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 6:08 pm

Meh, I might as well post what I think will happen, as lots of other people have been.

sailorasteroid wrote:-Some probably-as-yet-unseen character, probably an evil one, will be a metamorphagus like Nymphadora Tonks, and will use this power to disguise and trick Harry and friends.

I've ALWAYS thought this, since Tonks first appeared and her Metamorphmagi talent was revealed. JKR wouldn't introduce a character with her talents without a reason.

-Draco will NOT revert to the light side/save Harry's life. I agree with Tiff-Draco HATES Harry, so why in the seven hells would he save his life?

[spoiler]-I do believe that Sirius is dead, but I don't think that the scene with the veil is the last we'll see of him. I think that Harry might go back and go through the veil, or something like that. I think that the veil is sort of a passage between the living and the dead, and Sirius could be there.[/spoiler]

-Ron and Hermione will get together, and so will Harry/Ginny or Harry/Luna. I absolutely, 100% despise the Harry/Hermione pairing.

-Dumbledore is hiding something about Harry. I don't think that he told him the entire story when he revealed the prophecy to him. (Although, I'd just like to point out that JKR has stated that Dumbledore and Harry are NOT related in any way [like Dumbledore being his grandfather or cousin or something].)

-I think the [spoiler]Half-Blood Prince[/spoiler] will be related to Voldemort in some way.

Post by **Tiff** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 8:52 pm

Artemis wrote:
[spoiler]-I do believe that Sirius is dead, but I don't think that the scene with the veil is the last we'll see of him. I think that Harry might go back and go through the veil, or something like that. I think that the veil is sort of a passage between the living and the dead, and Sirius could be there.[/spoiler]

-Ron and Hermione will get together, and so will Harry/Ginny or Harry/Luna. I absolutely, 100% despise the Harry/Hermione pairing.

1) I love your first idea (the one in spoilers). That would actually be really cool to see..and it makes wonderful sense.

2) I despise the Harry/Hermione story, but I also despise the Harry/Ginny pairing. She had a crush on him, and that's it. She's with a completely different guy in the 5th book. Same with Luna. He felt sorry for her briefly, and that's it. I saw absolutely nothing else between them. Honestly, I doubt Harry will even get with ANYONE. I would prefer it that way, too.

Ni-ban Neko · Post by **Ni-ban Neko** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 9:55 pm

I very rarely read fanfiction, but a friend of mine linked me to a very cute Luna/Neville story ages ago, and since then I've found that the most likely pairing for Luna. ^^

As for Harry/Ginny...Harry's so close to the Weasley family by the end of OotP that I'd think he'd see it in the "That's my little sister, and therefore...no." way, honestly.

And as for Harry/Hermione, I doubt it, since all the books point heavily towards Ron/Hermione.

So, I think it'll either wind up Harry/Cho, Harry/someone that hasn't been introduced, or Harry not winding up with someone at the end.

Post by **Tiff** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 9:57 pm

Ni-ban Neko wrote: So, I think it'll either wind up Harry/Cho, Harry/someone that hasn't been introduced, or Harry not winding up with someone at the end.

^^;; Cho irritates me severely LOL I think she irritated Harry severely in the fifth book, so...I doubt that's gonna happen, either.

crazydiamond · Post by **crazydiamond** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 10:12 pm

(I can't believe I have to type all this *again!* *sigh*) I've just recently finished OotP (I had to wait til it came to paperback!), and I liked it. But, like most people (it seems), I thought that [spoiler]Sirius's death scene sucked. It was very quick, and that took away some of the emotion, I think. It was like, "And then he was dead."[/spoiler]. Harry's moodiness was kinda annoying, but I suppose it does make sense. I just didn't like how *quickly* he changed from one mood to the next.
As for theories...I'm seriously gonna have to go with SailorAsteroid and say that Draco switches sides. Not a complete-and-total conversion or an "I have seen the light" kind of thing, but I think that he'll just...I don't know...not neccessarily be a dark wizard, or a Death Eater. At the end of Goblet of Fire, when Dumbledore is giving his speech and he says to remember Cedric when it comes to "choosing between what is right, and what is easy," I felt that that was specific foreshadowing for Draco. I agree that at the moment, there isn't suffecient enough evidence to prove Draco doubts his or his father's position, but you all forget that we have two more books. I think a situation will come up where Draco will have to choose.
Also, I'm TERRIBLY interested in [spoiler]Dudley's dementor attack, and hope that we get to learn what it was. I hope it's something good, too, and not, like, Fred and George giving him the Ton-Tongue Toffee. It's about time Dudley got some depth. I also want to see more of Snape's and Harry's dad's interactions, because it is interesting to see Harry's dad as a jerk than as the great person everyone makes him out to be, so that Harry can really learn about his dad. I want Harry to APOLOGIZE to Snape for the pensieve accident, too.[/spoiler]