Harry Potter

ParaKiss_Groupie · Post by **ParaKiss_Groupie** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 9:14 am

Sailor Moon wrote:I really enjoy the Harry Potter series. Hermione is my favorite character. I can relate to Hermione a lot in many situations. The characters in the Harry Potter series are great. They each have their own personality. I love Harry, Hermione, Draco, Ron and the rest of the gang. Hermione is my faovrite out of all the Harry Potter characters. I have a feelign a plot similar to the plot in Final Fantasy IV may ensue. When Ron sees Harry and Hermione together, Ron betrays them out of jealousy and helps the enemy to get Harry killed, but then he comes back and realizes that he shouldn't have done that. I really enjoyed the way they portrayed that plot in Final Fantasy IV and Final Fantasy VIII, so I think it would work very well in the Harry Potter series. I think Hermione should get together with either Harry, Draco or Ron. I really enjoy this series and look forward the the next book's release.

Sailor Moon..... Harry and Hermione never get together. All of your posts compare something to either Usagi and Mamoru or a Final Fantasy game. Keep them in their respective topics. Final Fantasy does not belong with Harry Potter.

LadyFlameSniper · Post by **LadyFlameSniper** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 9:00 pm

yamijounouchi wrote:
i really hate people who say that harry potter is for little kids. they probably say that because the movie do have a bit of a kiddy feel to them. i defy anyone who says harry potter's a little kid's book to read OoP, and see if they don't change their tune. what really bothers me is that most people who say that haven't even read the books--or seen the movies for that matter.

Well I'm not a fan of Harry Potter and I don't know that much about it. As a matter off act, I fell asleep during the first movie when it came on tv. ¬ _¬So I'm not gonna sit here and lie my ass off acting as if I do know alot.

But anyways my guess is that some people will say it's for little kids because the books were aimed at younger audience, weren't they? But of course that doesn't mean older peeps can't enjoy it. Very similar to the majority of anime when you think about it.

ParaKiss_Groupie · Post by **ParaKiss_Groupie** » Sun Jul 04, 2004 9:04 am

LadyFlameSniper wrote:
yamijounouchi wrote:
i really hate people who say that harry potter is for little kids. they probably say that because the movie do have a bit of a kiddy feel to them. i defy anyone who says harry potter's a little kid's book to read OoP, and see if they don't change their tune. what really bothers me is that most people who say that haven't even read the books--or seen the movies for that matter.
Well I'm not a fan of Harry Potter and I don't know that much about it. As a matter off act, I fell asleep during the first movie when it came on tv. ¬ _¬So I'm not gonna sit here and lie my ass off acting as if I do know alot. But anyways my guess is that some people will say it's for little kids because the books were aimed at younger audience, weren't they? But of course that doesn't mean older peeps can't enjoy it. Very similar to the majority of anime when you think about it.

LadyFlameSniper is right. The books' reading levels correspond to Harry's age at the time. For instance, he was 11 in the first book, and it carried a fifth grade reading level. In book two, he was 12, and the book was at a sixth grade reading level, etc. That's not to say that older people can't enjoy the books, but the books' target audiences are children.

Ni-ban Neko · Post by **Ni-ban Neko** » Sun Jul 04, 2004 9:09 am

ParaKiss_Groupie wrote: LadyFlameSniper is right. The books' reading levels correspond to Harry's age at the time. For instance, he was 11 in the first book, and it carried a fifth grade reading level. In book two, he was 12, and the book was at a sixth grade reading level, etc. That's not to say that older people can't enjoy the books, but the books' target audiences are children.

I didn't realize that about reading levels - to be honest, they've all seemed to be around the same reading level to me.

One of the things that I like best about the Harry Potter series is that while their target audience is children, JK Rowling doesn't turn it into fluffiness, sweetness, and light just because kids are reading it. She realizes that kids like books that don't just pander to them, and I think that's also why so many adult readers can get into them.

Sailorasteroid · Post by **Sailorasteroid** » Sun Jul 04, 2004 9:44 am

Well, what's great about Harry Potter, in contrast to Sailor Moon, is that the adult fans are a significant enough part of the fanbase that both the merchandisers and Rowling herself have to consider them when producing the series. If the text and the vocabulary are at a middle-school/high-school level, the plots and the characters are complex enough for anyone. I got into the series when my mother basically forced me to sit down and read the first book, and I was all ready to say that it was OK, but not great, until [spoiler]Quirrell, and not Snape, was revealed as the villain.[/spoiler] The fact that we get plot twists, shades-of-gray characters, and historic symbolism is telling us that we, the intelligent readers count.

While I'm here, I want to throw out some of my predictions for the rest of the series:

-Dumbledore will be killed by the Dark Lord, and McGonagall will become the full-time Headmistress of Hogwarts.

-Harry will not die as JKR has threatened; it's just a fake-out to give the books drama

-Mr. Weasley will become Minister of Magic

-Shipping: Ron and Hermione will remain a couple. Harry will go with Luna for a while, but won't finish with her. Either he won't have a permanent 'ship, or he will with someone not yet introduced.

-Snape will turn out to be on the right side of things after all, and will get the DADA post, if not in Book 7, then at the conlusion therof.

-Harry, upon reaching majority and no longer being subject to the Underage Wizarding Decree, will finally have a chance to shout down the Dursleys, but won't go in for petty revenge (like I want him to).

-Some conspiracy involving St. Mungo's and Neville's parents will be revealed. Possibly they have key information to aid in the fight against You-Know-Who, but are being spelled into insanity to keep them silent.

-Some probably-as-yet-unseen character, probably an evil one, will be a metamorphagus like Nymphadora Tonks, and will use this power to disguise and trick Harry and friends.

Post by **AnimeGuru0** » Sun Jul 04, 2004 11:05 am

I know I'm kinda breaking the discussion here, but I just read book 1 and i'm over halfway through book 2. The thing is, I remember a LOT of people complaining about how off the movies are compared to the books...........but...........Book 1 was almost exactly like movie 1 except for a few changes here and there, and Book 2 was a little bit more different than Movie 2 than Book 1 was to Movie 1, but so far it's not THAT different. I can't comment on Book 3 yet (gonna read that soon).............but..............what was with all the complaining? So far, these seem like one of the best book --> movie transitions ever. *confused*

doodlebuguk · Post by **doodlebuguk** » Sun Jul 04, 2004 2:37 pm

AnimeGuru0 wrote:I know I'm kinda breaking the discussion here, but I just read book 1 and i'm over halfway through book 2. The thing is, I remember a LOT of people complaining about how off the movies are compared to the books...........but...........Book 1 was almost exactly like movie 1 except for a few changes here and there, and Book 2 was a little bit more different than Movie 2 than Book 1 was to Movie 1, but so far it's not THAT different. I can't comment on Book 3 yet (gonna read that soon).............but..............what was with all the complaining? So far, these seem like one of the best book --> movie transitions ever. *confused*

Yes, the first two books had a very faithful movie adaptation. Most fans are just a bit annoyed at how much was cut out of the third movie.

Have you seen the third movie yet? If not, wait until you have read the book, watch it, and you will see just how much was cut.

The third film is still an amazing movie, much better than the first two in my opinion, just a lot weaker in terms of being faithful to the book.

yamijounouchi · Post by **yamijounouchi** » Sun Jul 04, 2004 3:23 pm

it was a likable enough movie, my only problem was rather than focusing on important plot points, they seemed to focus on special effects. so many things that were left unexplained, i'd be surprised if i even knew what was going on if i hadn't read the book. i also hate the way they cut alot of really good dialogue to shorten important scenes (mind you, the knight bus scene was nearly 10 minutes).

ParaKiss_Groupie · Post by **ParaKiss_Groupie** » Mon Jul 05, 2004 5:14 pm

My problem with the movies isn't that they leave things out, it's that they leave out things that make the books make more sense. For instance, in the Chamber of Secrets movie, [spoiler]You never quite find out why these people are being attacked. It makes it seem like the victims are picked at random, when they're really not. Whereas in the book, each of the victims are revealed as Muggle-born before the attacks (with the exception of Ms. Norris, who was targeted because of Finch's Squib-ness). [/spoiler]

Post by **AnimeGuru0** » Mon Jul 05, 2004 5:41 pm

Doodlebug - I have seen the third movie already. I liked it, but from what I hear, the book was much better. I plan on reading the book soon.

Parakiss - I dunno, from the movie (before i read the book) I knew that they were attacking muggle-borns. Maybe it took me a few times to realize this (i've watched it several times, so I don't remember if I knew this the first time through). But yeah, it IS more obvious in the book.

Sailor Moon · Post by **Sailor Moon** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 5:57 pm

In reply to Para's post.
Para- I was speculating. I was thinking of a plot that might or could occur. I meant that if certain events happened, that is what might happen. A bunch of people I know also thought that (the plot I mentioned) might occur. Also, I was comparing one series to another. Like, the Kodacha forum mentions how Marmalade Boy is similar. Lots of book reviews compare one book to another. I love how lots of movies, video games, anime, manga, books, t.v. shows and music make references to many different movies, video games, anime, manga, books, music and pop culture. I was just comparing a possible future HP plot to a plot in another series and mentioning how one series did a similar plot to a plot that HP might have in the future. I do mention my favorite couple, Usagi and Mamoru, in a lot of my topics.

Artemis · Post by **Artemis** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 1:38 pm

Harry Potter is my favorite book series. EVER. So far, my favorite is OOTP...but it's SO SAD!!! Or at least, the ending is, anyways.
My all-time favorite character is Sirius Black. God, I love him to death. I also like Dumbledore, Fred and George, Lupin, Ron, Dobby (gotta love those socks), and all of the animals.
[spoiler]My favorite new characters are Luna, Tonks, and Phineas Nigellus (though I wonder at how much more of him we'll see, since his portrait is in Sirius' house).[/spoiler]
[spoiler]I also really, really liked Cedric Diggory, and I thought that his death was so sad!!!

[/spoiler]
I hate Cho, Umbridge, Wormtail, Fudge, Bellatrix Lestrange, and Harry. Sorry to Harry fans, but I really couldn't stand him from the beginning. I also sort of dislike Hermione, mostly in the first book, but my liking for her has grown much, much more since then.
I liked all three of the movies, but I didn't think that they were as good as the books-the books are way more in-depth. But still, for movies based on such a popular series, I think that they are very, VERY well done.
My favorite pairings are Ron/Hermy, Harry/Ginny or Harry/Luna, and Hagrid/Maxime. My least favorite is Draco/Hermy, since she seems to hate him so much and vice versa that it'd never work out. Plus, in an interview, J.K. Rowling specifically stated that Draco and Hermione together wouldn't happen.

Sailorasteroid · Post by **Sailorasteroid** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 6:39 pm

I think Draco turning good could be the linchpin of the seventh book. It would go to show that evil isn't passed down from father to son. Draco could save Harry's life or something and they could team up to kill You-know-who.

yamijounouchi · Post by **yamijounouchi** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 8:59 pm

it seems to me like malfoy is already a voldemort supporter. i just re-read goblet of fire, and i for one don't see anyway he could become good, much less friends with harry. and i most certainly don't think he and hermoine would ever get together, that would be like a klansman marrying a walking black stereotype.

Post by **Tiff** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 9:00 pm

Sailorasteroid wrote:I think Draco turning good could be the linchpin of the seventh book. It would go to show that evil isn't passed down from father to son. Draco could save Harry's life or something and they could team up to kill You-know-who.

...Draco HATES Harry. He downright despises him. How on earth do you get the possibility that he may save his life?! The possibility of Draco turning good is so slim and, in my opinion, pretty ridiculous. I don't consider him evil, nor do I consider his father evil, but his father IS on Voldemort's side. HE's a freakin Death Eater, for crying out loud...and it's obvious Draco agrees with the things his father does.

Sailorasteroid · Post by **Sailorasteroid** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 9:08 pm

OK, sure, Draco acts like a jerk and a bigot, and maybe could even tactily support the Dark Lord. But what if all of that is the influence of his father and mother? Now that his parents may not have so much of a hold on him, yeah, he'll be angry at first, but he'll also have a chance to come up with his own personality. He wouldn't be the first teen who rebelled from evil parents toward goodness.

Starscream · Post by **Starscream** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 9:13 pm

Sailorasteroid wrote:OK, sure, Draco acts like a jerk and a bigot, and maybe could even tactily support the Dark Lord. But what if all of that is the influence of his father and mother? Now that his parents may not have so much of a hold on him, yeah, he'll be angry at first, but he'll also have a chance to come up with his own personality. He wouldn't be the first teen who rebelled from evil parents toward goodness.

Just because he rebels against his father doesn't mean he's gonna be Harry's friend all of a sudden, or even bother to save his life. Remember, here's a kid who's no genius at wizardry, who's only popular because he survived Voldemort's attack...and yet he always gets the glory. He REJECTED Draco's companionship at the beginning of the series, and all this is not something that Malfoy is going to just brush aside in the name of teenage rebellion (besides, 17 would be quite a bit old to be a rebel...)

ParaKiss_Groupie · Post by **ParaKiss_Groupie** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 9:14 pm

Actually, I always got the same idea that SailorAsteroid did. I think that Draco is going to end up being not necessarily a bad guy. [spoiler]However, hasn't it been hinted at that Neville is going to be the one who destroys Voldemort, and not Harry? [/spoiler]

Ni-ban Neko · Post by **Ni-ban Neko** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 9:16 pm

Ehh, not bloody likely, I don't think. It'd take something along the lines of Draco seeing Voldemort kill both his parents to get him close to changing his mind, and honestly, I don't know if even that would do it. Once something has been drummed into you that long and as hard as Lucius Malfoy may (or may not; we don't see the Malfoys at home, really, nor should we, I don't think) have been drumming it in, that doesn't go away quickly.

Post by **Tiff** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 9:20 pm

Starscream wrote: Just because he rebels against his father doesn't mean he's gonna be Harry's friend all of a sudden, or even bother to save his life. Remember, here's a kid who's no genius at wizardry, who's only popular because he survived Voldemort's attack...and yet he always gets the glory. He REJECTED Draco's companionship at the beginning of the series, and all this is not something that Malfoy is going to just brush aside in the name of teenage rebellion (besides, 17 would be quite a bit old to be a rebel...)

Precisely. Let's not forget that Harry's two best friends are ALSO people Draco despises: Ron, whose father openly hates Draco's father, and vice versa; and Hermione, who Draco repeatedly calls "Mudblood" and openly threatens (quite gleefully) with harm or death. He thinks it's disgusting that Harry chooses to associate with them.

It'd take something along the lines of Draco seeing Voldemort kill both his parents to get him close to changing his mind, and honestly, I don't know if even that would do it. Once something has been drummed into you that long and as hard as Lucius Malfoy may (or may not) have been drumming it in, that doesn't go away quickly.

*Nods* Draco never once even shows that he might waver away from his father. It'd be one thing if we actually saw a scene where he says "Hrm..I'm not sure if Dad's right about that". But he always backs his father up 100%. To randomly rebel like that would be, IMO, unrealistic. It would be completely random, and, like Jen pointed out, probably would have to be caused by something really major in order for it to make sense.