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Post by Jusenkyo no Pikachu » Tue Jul 06, 2004 10:32 am

OK...after nearly a month and a half of waiting, today I finally kicked myself and went to see Mean Girls. And I thought it was the best thing ever to happen to teenage school life. And heck, it may have even inserted another word or two into my vernacular.

What has this to do with the topic? Well, you all remember CAP Alert from my prior rant right? I just decided on a whim to check out their review.

If you don't know the site, click the link provided above (and see exactly why it is so popular among movie freaks/culture groups!).

And now, here's my reviewing of their review (sorry, "analysis").

The analysis starts off by comparing other Lindsay Lohan movies. Lohan, it should be noted, is probably the best of the child actors around today, so of course her audience is going to want to follow her around. Of course, actual talent has nothing to do with audiences--I mean, look how far the Olsens have gotten on no acting talent, horrid direct-to-video movies, Full House reruns and painful TV shows. Anyway, some of Lohan's audience is still fairly young, so indeed parents might want to take note of the movie's rating (PG-13).

Carder then goes on to state that since Cady is unprepared for school life, the film turns partly into a slam against home-schooling This bit is actually quite a ridiculous assumption to make. I saw no slamming (but then again, High School is three years behind me now) and Cady certainly did not need to learn how to "manipulate all the latest vulgarities" to get popular.

Carder then states the movie's basic plot (and, in what has to be a first, he actually uses present tense, just like all the rest of us). And then he describes Regina's mother, who is most definitely not the ideal mum. Especially not if she wants to hold another baby to her chest. Eww! (but damn, I LOVED Cady's reaction!) Anyway, Carder lays down in no uncertain terms that Regina's mum is not the ideal parent. FOr that matter, Regina isn't exactly the ideal kid either. Of course, it didn't take Adrian Monk to notice exactly what Regina's little sister was doing. Anyone who wants to act like this woman has an IQ of what? less than his/her waist size in inches? Or should I be generous and compare it to waist size in centimetres?

Anyway, Carder also describes Cady's two friends, Janis and Damien, and then states that the viewer is "led to believe that Janis is lesbian and Damien is gay." Damien might be gay, but it's never explicitly stated that Janis is anything other than straight/bi. I mean, she even gets with a guy at the end. However, here is where Carder's review screws up.

Carder wrote:Apparently Canada has made it illegal to believe God's Word about the practice of homosexuality and has made free speech about it and freedom of religion illegal. But America has not. Just think. In Canada, homosexual practitioners can now approach young kids and their parents cannot speak out against it. If you don't want that to happen here, speak out. Now! To your legislators and congresspeople. Now! And don't let them tell you there is nothing happening. YOU tell THEM what is happening. They work for YOU. And they do NOT know everything. Some of them are apparently clueless about the progression of the practice of homosexuality in America. And some of them want it to progress. If you don't tell your legislators and congresspeople what you want and don't want, you'll have to take what you get.


My chief reaction to this is: HUH? WHAT? Let me get this straight: If Freedom of Religion is illegal, then gays can convert children because it's also illegal to believe in the Bible? Did I miss the part where it was stated that Christianity is Canada's official religion? Besides, the movie was only filmed in Canada. The rest of it was American. And Americans haven't banned belief in God's word at all. And besides, as an email about homicide in Australia has recently shown, baseless statistics are completely meaningless. Besides, not all congresspeople want to remain stuck in the past.

And please, while we're on the subject, will someone tell me exactly how homosexuality is destructive? And who exactly does it destroy?

Let's move on to the Findings/Scorings.

First, in Wanton Violence/Crime, we have the bus thing. The review describes it as "graphic". A few seconds of bodies getting hit by buses with no blood visible to me does not qualify as graphic. They also have the school-wide riot (which wasn't exactly the prettiest of sights) and something described as "threat". I don't recall exactly what that was.

In the next WISDOM category, we get most of the movie's barbs and a few other things. Now the teens uttered only a few mild profanities (that are nothing compared to what teens really say) and the word "effing" was also used. But doesn't "Fugly" mean "Fucking Ugly"? I did not note that term referred to anywhere here. Oh, and there were lies and deceit, but you obviously wouldn't know that in a movie titled "Mean Girls" that is set in a school. And if you can't tell what "Moral abuse of child" means, fret not, for I have no freaking clue either. Presumably it refers to Regina's kid sister, but why isn't that under the next section?

Our next section is indeed all about sex. We do indeed get most of the things described and the only thing really surprising was the bit with the dog. Oh, and maybe the school coach making out with the student. And the statue nudity is something that must have appeared in the six-or-so minutes of movie that I missed (I came in late, and had to go to the loo later on). Not that that would really raise much of an eyebrow today.

On to the offense to God section. As we can hardly expect these teens to be down with G O D, it certainly comes as no surprise that they use His name in profanity.

Now the next category is the most useless in the entire site. Since Murder and Suicide are both violent and illegal, shouldn't they just be piled under the first category?

Good Lord, Carder...give me one good reason why I shouldn't question your sanity.
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Post by Sailor X » Thu Jul 08, 2004 10:51 am

Oh yes, I remember those annoyances. Aren't these the people who call PG-13 "R-13?" Asses. I'm going to read some of their reviews.

I decided on "10 Things I Hate About You"
http://www.capalert.com/capreports/10things.htm
First they start off by whining that the title poem wasn't used until the end of the movie and nothing led up to it. So? That poem barely had an effect on the rest of the movie before that point.

Under Impudence/Hate they cited "punk dress". What? So if I shop out of Hot Topic, I automatically am filled with hate? Ooh, I'm touching leather, I should be stoned! Or I'm impudent? As if that wasn't stupid enough there's also "much discussion of the importance of self and "your own way" to the exclusion of all others" there too. I think they're talking about how Kat tried to care about herself more and not do what everyone else did. Please. Also there's "arrogance against father's fair authority". Fair? If I were one of that guy's offspring, I'd have killed him. He wanted to control his daughters lives'; refusing to allow the younger one to date until the older one did, not allowing Kat to go to her school of choice, etc.

Oh, oh wait now. That's only the "I" in wisdom. Four letters to go, baby.

In the sex/homosexuality part there's "necking". This sounds like some Tv father from the fifties. There's also "admission of sex because 'everyone else was doing it'". This was actualy portrayed as being wrong.

In Offense to God (O) there's "tattoos (Lev. 19:28 "Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the LORD.")" Pastor, tell me that you didn't have that tattoo on youre butt that said "Sex Machine" erased. God! (oops, I just used His name in vain!)

It's one thing to be pious, but it's another to lord it over people.

EDIT: They called American History X "a most vile movie". That's one of the best movies I've ever seen, it really touches you. But this guy said it was bad because of all the evil, evil, evil behavior. There's a swastika and Nazis in it- oh, how horrible. Dosen't matter that this was portrayed in the movie as being wrong, no. In Barbershop the also cited the line "Jesus wasn't a Christian" under O. Jesus wasn't a Christian, you stupid idiot! He was a Jew! A Jew, a Jew, a Jew! (I'll bet that whord, when screamed repeatedly at them, causes them to melt.)
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Destructive homosexuality?

Post by DurgaRea » Fri Jul 09, 2004 10:54 am

Jusenkyo no Pikachu wrote:And please, while we're on the subject, will someone tell me exactly how homosexuality is destructive? And who exactly does it destroy?
Apparently there are many freaked out, psycho-conservative Bible bangers who believe gays and queers (At times I use the pronoun 'we' because I myself am gay):

A. Are contageous, as if homosexuality and queerness were the plagues of the 21st century, and AIDS is an airborn disease. So if good citizens are allowed within a 7 mile radius of "those damn queers" they are obviously going become an "abomination" and fall out of the Lord's graces.

B. We recruit. Yeah, you know them fundamentalists work hard to bring people back to Jesus so we must work just as hard to pull people, especially kids, away. Now I respect those who are a part of church or community who have missions and recruitment projects but just understand that um....we don't! Despite what many believe ones sexuality is not a choice so it's not about "converting" and "recruiting" people. Besides, more often than not people kind of come to those conclusions on their own. :)

Also, many believe that the more the gay community is exposed to main stream America, the more influence it is going to have on young, impressionable people. But try to remember there were times when none of this stuff was either discussed or even acknowledged it exhisted, and people were stil gay, albeit there were probably a lot more closeted and suffering in silence.
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Post by Jusenkyo no Pikachu » Fri Jul 09, 2004 11:22 am

Actually, if you look through the rest of CAP Alert, you'll find a letter from Mr Stephen Bennett, an "ex-gay" minister (he has his own site at http://sbministries.org ) who claims that since CBS obviously decided that he didn't know what he was on about (and I don't blame them, as I have no clue either), they have a pro-gay bias.

In the letter, Bennett claims that he led a destructive lifestyle. Now, of course, he is no longer gay and is truly happy. but seriously, he'd have to be a by-product of extreme piety and torture on proportions previously only mentioned in Carrie to be able to make that claim.

Interestingly, movies such as Show Me Love, But I'm A Cheerleader and Better Than Chocolate (which wasn't a good movie anyway) are missing from the list. In his definition of morality, I'd say SML and Chocolate are worse movies than Kissing Jessica Stein.
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Post by Anthy » Fri Jul 09, 2004 2:24 pm

Under Impudence/Hate they cited "punk dress". What? So if I shop out of Hot Topic, I automatically am filled with hate? Ooh, I'm touching leather, I should be stoned!
1. Shopping from Hot Topic would make you full of silly teenage angst. =D
2. It depends on what animal this leather is made of.

(I'm kidding)

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Post by Tiff » Fri Jul 09, 2004 2:35 pm

Also, let's not less this become a homosexuality discussion. We already have a thread for that.

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Post by Mendoza » Fri Jul 09, 2004 11:37 pm

I checked out their reviews and am glad to know that I own one of the evilest movies ever made
Freddy vs Jason!!
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Seriously ths site is just plain weird. I can understand wanting to inform parents about pg 13 movies that they might not want to let their child view, but why even bother analyzing R rated moives like 8mm or American Psycho. These movies are going to offend people of just about any religon. 8mm is just one of those movies that is hard to wach.
I also dont understand how they seem to view actions in a bubble. violence of any kind is wrong no matter what the reason. If you kill someone in self defense its still bad, how does that work?
If you disrespect your parents even when their trying to kill you its bad?
This site is just plain creepy!

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Post by Tiff » Mon Jul 12, 2004 9:52 pm

Let's watch what we say here. someo f the comments in this thread (and the jack chick thread) are becoming borderline Christian-bashing. Please watch what you say, as many of our members are christian.

Also, he isn't really bashing ANYTHING. He's giving his opinion-based review. That's not the same as outright bashing. He's backing up what he says with actual scenes, he's just interpreting them differently than you are. I don't agree with his reviews, but he has the right to not like these movies, or to think they're inappropriate. Calm down.

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Post by Jusenkyo no Pikachu » Tue Jul 13, 2004 6:41 am

*takes a huge breath*

Okay...

*pulls out large incinerator, throws own axe and grindstone into it*

I'll make no bones about it: my rather high IQ of 130 does not stop me from being a complete idiot. Or at least a partial one. And a hypocrite. And probably someone who doesn't know precisely how good his own command of the English language is. Indeed, neither Carder nor Chick gets anywhere near the viciousness of Phelps (and besides, they don't piss people off anywhere quite so badly--as a result, I veer as far away from Phelps as I possibly can). Instead, I read them because I find them glurgy, laughable and often baseless (read Chick's anti-Catholic stuff for an example. I suggest Last Rites).

Now of course there are some points in Carder's stuff that I can agree with--mainly, the idea of censoring stuff from the kids and the idea that parents will have no time to check precisely what the films are rated (or what content is in the films). However, after that it starts to go awry. I mean, does "repeatedly" constitute "four times" (he only appears to actually count it if it's a swear word or improper use of God's/Jesus' name)?. Exactly what is "the most foul of the foul words" (especially when there's a word regarded by many others as even more foul than the word in question)? And indeed, his observations on the wording of "adult humour" have their flaws too (it's called "adult" not because seeing it makes you adult, but you have to be an adult to see and fully understand it).

He also has little to no understanding of what makes a good movie. And no, I'm not referring to his moral enforcements here. He seems to completely fail to understand that "religious movies" (such as The Omega Code and Left Behind) are too concerned with preaching to the built in audience to make sure that they keep bums on seats.

And Mendoza, ratings that aren't NC-17 have been becoming rather blurred. The MPAA has become, in the words of Roger Ebert, a parody of itself. CAP Alert's reports exist to tell parents what to find in movies (which I've seen done far better on Screenit.com). Plus, you still can't keep kids out of R movies.
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Post by Anthy » Tue Jul 13, 2004 2:05 pm

Jusenkyo no Pikachu wrote:Now of course there are some points in Carder's stuff that I can agree with--.......[snip by Anthy] have their flaws too (it's called "adult" not because seeing it makes you adult, but you have to be an adult to see and fully understand it).
I'll have to agree with you on that. The bases you mentioned that he finds issue with in movies are often nonsensical and humorous at best. Also, the little side editorials are the same old "bad music causes deliquency" stuff.
And Mendoza, ratings that aren't NC-17 have been becoming rather blurred. The MPAA has become, in the words of Roger Ebert, a parody of itself. CAP Alert's reports exist to tell parents what to find in movies (which I've seen done far better on Screenit.com). Plus, you still can't keep kids out of R movies.
I wouldn't be so sure that you can't. Movie theaters in my town ID young people for R movies.

Also, the site design is ugly. I hate the site just based on its ooglayness.
there are more adult bookstores in the United States than McDonald's hamburger outlets.
I'm wondering how, exactly, this is possible... I'd really like to see his sources. In my hometown of Kokomo (pop ~50,000), we have... ::counts:: 5 McDonalds and one McDiner (we're one of the three cities in the US with a McDiner, don't worry if you have no clue what it is) and ONE WHOLE adult store that sells books (along with lingerie and stuff).

Unless, of course, he means bookstores that sell books that aren't for kids... including Webster's Dictionary and cookbooks and everything else... I can see that.
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Post by Jusenkyo no Pikachu » Tue Jul 13, 2004 9:49 pm

Anthy wrote:
And Mendoza, ratings that aren't NC-17 have been becoming rather blurred. The MPAA has become, in the words of Roger Ebert, a parody of itself. CAP Alert's reports exist to tell parents what to find in movies (which I've seen done far better on Screenit.com). Plus, you still can't keep kids out of R movies.
I wouldn't be so sure that you can't. Movie theaters in my town ID young people for R movies.
They do the same thing here for MA movies. However, they don't always do it and you can go in with a parent.
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Post by Mendoza » Wed Jul 14, 2004 1:15 am

Jusenkyo no Pikachu wrote:
And Mendoza, ratings that aren't NC-17 have been becoming rather blurred. The MPAA has become, in the words of Roger Ebert, a parody of itself. CAP Alert's reports exist to tell parents what to find in movies (which I've seen done far better on Screenit.com). Plus, you still can't keep kids out of R movies.
Well the MPAA is nothing more than a bunch of hypocrites so i dont expect much from them. They are an unregulated group with far too much power, and can be bought when nessassary, particularly considering they have interests in the major film studios. Also the ratings arent blurry. G=Disney, PG=for kids but not quite Disney, PG-13 means mabey it should be R but the studio gave us a nice kickback so hey who are we to judge, and of course NC-17 means we dont like this movie and if you dont play ball were going to make sure you lose your house and your life savings. NC-17 ratings almost never get handed out these days cause no major studio will allow a film to have them, its a death sentence at the box office. The MPAA has never wanted its ratings to be helpfull. They have only as of lately started giving descriptive codes with their ratings, but even those are pretty useless. Its funny that the video game ratings are more usefull. Your right though you cant keep kids out of R-rated movies, their going to see it sometime somewhere. Parents should realy do their jobs and take some responsibility for their kids. Now some movies can be hard to figure out but in some cases you should just know better. I mean American Psycho or 8mm, or if it has blood in the title come on. Their are better ways to find out as you noted, and if all else fails just see the movie yourself like my parents did.
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