Nintendo's Pride, or How the Mighty Have Fallen

Post by **AnimeGuru0** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 7:01 pm

Sailor Wind - If I'm not mistaken, you need to buy a seperate adapter for all systems (I know definately for GCN and PS2, not too sure if X-Box has one packed in).

But unlike PS2 and X-Box (where you have to sign up to a rebilling monthly service like X-Box Live or PlayOnline), the Gamecube only supports LAN gaming, not online gaming. Meaning, you can play Gamecube games over a Local Area Network (like a college campus, school, or home network), but not on the Internet. That is you can't play it OFFICALLY over the internet. There is a lot of tunnelling software (like Pipeline and a better one that i can't remember the name of) out there that makes your gamecube THINK its on a LAN when it's actually on the internet. Great stuff. FREE TOO. All Nintendo needs to do is further support its LAN connectivity and it could EASILY have the best online gaming support out there.

Sailor Wind · Post by **Sailor Wind** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 7:50 pm

If I'm not mistaken, you need to buy a seperate adapter for all systems (I know definately for GCN and PS2, not too sure if X-Box has one packed in).

The Xbox does have all the cable packed in the xbox it's just a matter of sorting out xbox live with ur internet provider or what company your with. With some companies you need a gateway number to put in, for some it automatically detects the xbox for xbox live which is quite handy

Aya Reiko · Post by **Aya Reiko** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 2:12 am

Sailor Wind wrote:Actually come to think of it Nintendo do have online capabiilities which hardly anyone uses in the world of gaming. You can buy a separate broadband product for Gamecube, but i don't know anyone who plays online on the gamecube. The only game i know which does have online capabilities is Mario Kart: Double Dash. Obviously there's more but that's the most common one i could think of.

Does anyone here who has a Gamecube play online with it?

For all intended purposes, N has dropped support for online GCN gameplay, citing "they are not going to do online gaming until it is profitable." ... I think these clowns need to have a word with the guys from Verant, X-Box Live, Gamespy...

They've built the hardware, but showed zero support for it what-so-ever. Just add it to the ever growing list of painfully obvious mistakes made by Nintendo in the past 15 years.

Post by **AnimeGuru0** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 8:43 am

Aya - Must I keep repeating myself? Nintendo yes does not support online gaming, but they are still supporting LAN gaming, which in turn with the use of tunnelling software can be made to play online. While they may not directly be supporting online games, as long as they keep making their games LAN supported, all their games still have the ability to be played online.

What Nintendo is saying is that they're not going to spend money building and setting up servers and the such and charging a service fee for their games to go online. In other words, they're not going to work to make the games playable online. Luckily, others did the work for them (the tunnelling software).

Sailor Wind · Post by **Sailor Wind** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 7:10 pm

I'm haven't checked out to see if gamespy actually does support a tunneling program for the Gamecube. I definately know they've created one for the Xbox which is very handy for the players who don't have Xbox Live. But haven't actually seen any Gamecube tunneling software.

Not only is there Gamespy for tunneling, there is also a program you can download called Xbox Connect (players normally call it XBC for short) Obviously you can tell it's only for xbox but there should be more like that for Gamecube and PS2. If anyone does download Xbox Connect you'll notice that the most playable game on the program is Halo, possibly because Xbox Live is not compatiable to Halo and that Halo came out before Xbox Live. There are much more Xbox tunneling programs in comparison though compared to the Gamecube and PS2 which is a shame.

If someone knows a tunneling software for the Gamecube please let me know! I have tried searching but have had no luck finding any.

Post by **AnimeGuru0** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 8:31 pm

http://www.warppipe.com/

Jumbled Thoughts · Post by **MarioKnight** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 8:33 pm

Ask and ye shall recieve. Warp Pipe ( http://www.warppipe.com/ ) is the popular tunneling program for use with the Game Cube. I can't say that I've used this yet, since I'm waiting for them to finish version 0.4 where I'll be able to find people to play games easier and not have to ask / be asked for IPs to connect to other people. The people who have used it seem to love it, and I've got everything setup here in my room when 0.4 is released.

Bob - you missed another cool innovation by Nintendo, the e-reader. From having NES games on multiple cards, to having cards that enhance GBA as well as GC games, the e-reader was definetly a very innovative product from the big N.

Really, the only thing I see Nintendo lacking is offical online support. Note the word offical. While tunneling to fake LANs over the Internet is fun, it's not as good as actual online play, where X-box Live has done an excellent job in playinmg games online. There's no features such as stats that can be used with tunneling that are online. I do find it odd on how Nintendo is the only of the three current consoles is the only one that doesn't have offical online support (outside of PSO) since back in the 80s they were way ahead of their time when they actually had an exnension port in the NES for a modem. They had planned to have games online as well as other services, such as online banking and the lottery and the like, very ahead of its time back then where obviously the test market failed. Even in the 90s with the SNES, Nintendo offically supported the Xband for online play of various SNES games. Sadly, that was still a bit ahead of its time and only lasted a couple years. Because of this past history, I can't understand why Nintendo isn't dominating the online market for console gaming.

Also, I believe Nintendo to be more focused on gaming than Sony or MS since their gaming system is just that, a gaming system. The GameCube has had no hardware problems in my recollection, whereas the a percentage of the first batch of X-boxes had various problems, and I have yet to personally see a PS2 that has not had problems at some point. Mine had to be sent back twice, both my housemates' PS2s have had to be sent back as well, my brother's is having problems, any of my friends' PS2s I've seen has had it act up on them at one point or another, it's ridiclous. These are all PS2s ranging from first day to X-mas season 2002. Extra features for a gaming system might be nice, but it increases the cost as well as the chance of errors. Though I'll admit I really want a Q, I'd rather spend money on a gaming system that works then a gaming system with extra stuff that's faulty. I should mention that the DVD players in the consoles aren't that good compared to real DVD players. You can argue it's because it's a game console not a real player, where you would prove my point.

I think another big reason Nintendo isn't on top is the mass increase of the consumers. A lot of people who buy games nowadays aren't gamers at heart. They see something flashy, usually some sort of violence in some way, and pick it up. They don't care much for the content, storyline, and quality of games, they're just looking to blow stuff up and have it look really cool. I'm not kncking these games, they do deserve a bunch of credit because some of them are very good, but this is something the averge person (note the word person, not gamer) doesn't notice or respect, and why these games sell so well. Granted, Nintendo should market a bit more to this demographic, I'll admit, though I would also like to see how the other systems would fare without these kind of games. I would have to agree with Bob's point about people being too shallow to give Nintendo a chance, because they're trying to ring gamers in with innovation, where the average person just blows off this creativity to see how much chaos they can cause in a city before they die.

Damn, that came out much longer than I thought. I'm stopping for now. o.o;;;

yoshmaster5 · Post by **yoshmaster5** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 9:56 pm

^^

VERY good points MK. Very good points.

I personally think Nintendo has always known at least some things to do. They care more about quality than just mass production unline Sony and Microsoft from what I've heard. Xbox and PS2were mass produced, and had flaws at first. that NEVER happened with GCN. Sure Xbox and PS2 have DVD players and more stuff, but if you already have that stuff, why have it on your system? There is a main point to TV consoles, GAMING. Inculding DVD players, CD players, Harddrive, all of it is a neat idea for a console, but it distracts from the original point to the system.

Hardcore gamers sitll exist, it's that the majority only care about shooting, blowing things up, killing things, etc... AKA, everything in GTA3/VC. Same for Halo, but it's multiplayer can be more complicated, and for a FPS it has a very good storyline. Nintendo has failed to realize this. people think Nintendo's quality game series are, "Kiddy" and for children. Next time I hear someone say Pokemon is kiddy I'm going to go into a LONG rant about EV's, IV's, Breeding, etc... Nintendo focuses on quality rather than just throwing out some random game with a bunch of shooting in it.

Nintendo HAS made mistakes however: Failing to notice the influx of online gaming, not including any extra options on GCN (NOT my opinion, I think GCN is good), and one spreading to the NES days: NOT RELEASING FIRE EMBLEM IN THE US SOONER. *short FE rant about how they are good, and tons of americans going, "Who's Marth? Who's Roy? What's Fire Emblem?" X_X*
Online gaming is spreading fast, and some games Nintendo has released would do REALLY well online, like Mario Kart: DD, SSBM, SCII, racing games, etc... FPS seem to be the best online, but frankly *IMO* FPS on GCN are pretty bad except Metriod Prime. The controls drive me NUTS. I can't stand them! Nintendo has many of the "classic" so to speak game series, like Fire Emblem, Mario, LOZ, Star Fox, Metroid, many famous games on NES that became series are primarily on the GCN and GBA. I know someone posted something about Nintendo re-releasing some of the NES games for GBA, and how they preferred it on the NES. I would too, but Nintendo most likely released them for YOUNGER gamers, who wouldn't have the NES or SNES. that way, more people could enjoy the classic games. Some other N64 games have become legendary: Super Mario 64 and LOZ: Ocarina of Time, because of their QUALITY and replayability. SM64 deviates from the classic mario-style games to a sort of "Puzzle" type genre, with adventure mixed in. Like finding stars, and getting an amout to save Peach. also defeating bowser gets harder as you progress though the game. LOZ: OoT has a GREAT storyline, great additions, a few sidequests, and after[spoiler]becoming an adult, the bosses actually get neat. exception of Bongo Bongo because that guy is insane. just creepy.[/spoiler] wait... I've gone off track. baka adam.

Many "gamers" today throw out stuff like, "Oh Mario iz da wmip! Hes stupid! GTA always killz the mario crap!" just saddens me how games people call, "pathetic" now were revolutionary and made Video gaming fun! Have any other games besides Mario ones broken the record of over 43 million sales? NO. Do many have the reputation to be good? NO. Some new games do have the reputation for their sequels or continued series to be fun and good quality. Halo is one, one of the *IMO* best FPS of all time, and many people are going nuts waiting for Halo 2. Some games have this, but many don't.

okay, I'm going to recharge my brain. sorry for the long post.

ParaKiss_Groupie · Post by **ParaKiss_Groupie** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 12:00 am

Yoshmaster5 wrote:snippy snippy cut cut

I want to address a few things from that post. The first being your stance on Pokemon. Yoshmaster, the game is for children. It's target audience was children. It was marketed and aimed for children. Just because you like it doesn't change that. Stop trying to justify it. It is a "kiddie" game.

If a person doesn't like Mario, that doesn't make them any less of a gamer. I, for one, was bored with every Mario after Super Mario Bros. It's not my taste. That doesn't mean that I'm less of a gamer than someone who adores Mario. It just means that I have different tastes.

Everyone, please calm down here, and stop throwing around what is and isn't a gamer. Keep your opinions level-headed, and remember that others might disagree with you.

Sailorasteroid · Post by **Sailorasteroid** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 6:18 am

Well, there are levels of being a gamer as opposed to a dabbler or just a player. I never considered Mario one of the indicators of that standard, though liking the early SMBs would indicate that the player has been around for a long time, or has gone back and played games before their time.

To me, the seriousness of a gamer is proportional to how much they care about the actual play of the game, and how little they care about graphics, sound, story, et cetera.

And I've seen a lot of people I would classify as high-level gamers, as in, people who write columns on gaming and have every game ever made it seems, rave about Pokemon. I've never played it, but I've heard that it has a lot of strategy and competition. So while it may or may not be a kiddie game, it's got enough actual play in it to be popular with more intense gamers. I think, if I'm reading MK right, that he's saying Nintendo cares too much about those serious gamers and less about those who just want pretty graphics and sound, the latter of which is the far larger market. Which is a noble task--I hope they keep with that philosophy--but I don't think they're being successful since they haven't really done anything new recently. But I certainly don't want to see them "sell out" and make games that will be popular but not good just to raise their bottom line.

ParaKiss_Groupie · Post by **ParaKiss_Groupie** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 9:49 am

And I've seen a lot of people I would classify as high-level gamers, as in, people who write columns on gaming and have every game ever made it seems, rave about Pokemon. I've never played it, but I've heard that it has a lot of strategy and competition. So while it may or may not be a kiddie game, it's got enough actual play in it to be popular with more intense gamers.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that it isn't/shouldn't be enjoyed by gamers, my point was simply that it was directed towards children. It's like BSSM. The target audience (anime-wise) was children, but that doesn't mean the rest of us can't like it.

RAPTOR948 · Post by **RAPTOR948** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 5:44 pm

my view is that Nintendo is really pressing, but with a lack of online titles, 3rd party developers are letting the online play of the cube go to waste! the only game not letting it go to waste is Phantasy Star online, by Sega! Nintendos former rival. Sony is just in the console wars for payback, cuz Nintendo scrapped the idea of sony's console, and Nintendo went with I beleive panasonic. sony got pissy, and wanted payback, Microsoft joined the console wars cuz gates cant seem to get enough money, that greedy pig! he has the PC market cornered, now he wants to run the VG console market! I'm gonna tell you of a promise Nintendo made long ago. the president of Nintendo Japan, the man behind it all, said himself, that if Nintendo loses the console wars, then Nintendo will stop making Vgs permanently, can you imagine a world without new adventures of Link? no new Pokemon lands? no consoles built catering to the gamers real desires? I cant live in a world without nintendo! it's been there since I was just a child! hell, BEFORE IT! I grew up with Nintendos video game buisiness, I was born in 1983! I owe all my gaming skills to Nintendo! cuz it was legends like Mario Mario, the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Link, Samus Aran, and Mike(startropics), who tought me the gaming skills I needed before jumping to 3D! I owe my very THUMBS to Nintendo! if you still love Video Games, think back to your first console, Nintendo or Sega, if you love Video Games, you'll pick Nintendo to win the Console wars! you owe it to yourself, and to every gamer in the world to cling to Nintendo.

besides, I got sone insider info on the new Sony and microsoft consoles, the hardware isnt very good in comparison to how far they wanna go. Nintendo wont release anything on their new console until it's release some holiday season, where sales will skyrocket. and dont rag me! I hate being flamed like everyonelse.

Sailor Wind · Post by **Sailor Wind** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 8:32 pm

that if Nintendo loses the console wars, then Nintendo will stop making Vgs permanently, can you imagine a world without new adventures of Link? no new Pokemon lands?

Nintendo said that if their future consoles didn't achieve to what they expected, then they wouldn only make the games and not the hardware parts including not making anymore consoles. They might do what Sega are doing which is just to make the games and not the consoles, but so far nintendo are already working on a new console which should be brought out before Xbox 2.

Post by **AnimeGuru0** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 10:11 pm

RAPTOR948 wrote: I'm gonna tell you of a promise Nintendo made long ago. the president of Nintendo Japan, the man behind it all, said himself, that if Nintendo loses the console wars, then Nintendo will stop making Vgs permanently.

But you also have to remember Yamaguchi (the president of Nintendo at the time) is a crazy old loon. He says a LOT of crazy things. Why? Cause he's crazy. He's a very smart businessman, but he's crazy. Crazy crazy crazy. =P

RAPTOR948 · Post by **RAPTOR948** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 5:14 pm

AnimeGuru0 wrote:
RAPTOR948 wrote: I'm gonna tell you of a promise Nintendo made long ago. the president of Nintendo Japan, the man behind it all, said himself, that if Nintendo loses the console wars, then Nintendo will stop making Vgs permanently.
But you also have to remember Yamaguchi (the president of Nintendo at the time) is a crazy old loon. He says a LOT of crazy things. Why? Cause he's crazy. He's a very smart businessman, but he's crazy. Crazy crazy crazy. =P

like you're not crazy!? THE WHOLE WORLD IS CRAZY! NOBODY IS SANE! this is proven, if the whole world were "sane", we'd all be the same. sometimes the best strategy is the craziest one! like when Japan used Kamakazies, and we used two nukes(so many lives were lost on so many grounds). the world is crazy, you cant hide, mr.Yamaguchi isnt really crazy, he's steadfast, he refuses to quit, we need someone who wont quit to continue the console wars. we can live without sony and microsoft in the console wars, but nintendo is the titan that must survive! think about your past, either Nintendo or Sega, whichever one you played in your youth, you owe it to yourself to help Nintendo win the console wars. was sony there as a console the moment you first picked up a controller and turned on the power? was microsoft there as a console when you stomped bowsers head in? were either microsoft or sony there when you found your first bonus level, 1up, and invulnerability item? NO, they werent! Nintendo and Sega were there the whole time! in my years on this planet, I saw the rise and fall of many, Bradleys, K mart, the fairfeild mall! once proud titans, now illusions of the past! dont make Nintendo an illusion of the past as well. it's like tearing down the church you were married in, or the house you lost your virginity, or even your favorite childhood plushie! I lost my favorite childhood plushie, dont make me lose Nintendo!*awaits an applause and posotive comments* do note, all that I've stated is true about my life.

peachvampiress · Post by **peachvampiress** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 6:19 pm

RAPTOR948

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0___o if I had one piece of advice for you, it'd be to lay off the crack.

So what if Nintendo had cool games when we were younger, me and many others think that they don't have any good games now. I'm not going to support them if all they're doing is whoring another Mario game like Mario golf, mario pinball, Mario party (which I don't find interesting), Mario Tennis, Mario poledancing. I have to recieve something I want if I'm going to buy from a company. I love the OLD nintendo games, as well as the old Sega games and anything else that was around then (my mom worked at a videogame store so I got to play literally everything that came out). But I personally find that Nintendo just doesn't have the same flare it had back in the day, so I'm not going to buy anything from them.

RAPTOR948 · Post by **RAPTOR948** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 7:57 pm

peachvampiress wrote:0___o if I had one piece of advice for you, it'd be to lay off the crack.

So what if Nintendo had cool games when we were younger, me and many others think that they don't have any good games now. I'm not going to support them if all they're doing is whoring another Mario game like Mario golf, mario pinball, Mario party (which I don't find interesting), Mario Tennis, Mario poledancing. I have to recieve something I want if I'm going to buy from a company. I love the OLD nintendo games, as well as the old Sega games and anything else that was around then (my mom worked at a videogame store so I got to play literally everything that came out). But I personally find that Nintendo just doesn't have the same flare it had back in the day, so I'm not going to buy anything from them.

TRAITOR!! firstly, I'm not on crack, or any drug, you need to quit the pot, crack, heroine, and oxycoton! Nintendo is still the same company. but according to your post, you seem more interested in games made of only pretty images, or pro-crime, instead of solid gameplay! cuz Sony's games are mostly about how much crime you can do before you get busted! and Microsoft is only about the look, and trying to gain a monopoly on electronics! look at the shit thats in the clear! Nintendo: fighting to preserve excellent gameplay, and hold true that justice will triumph! Sony & Microsoft: in the console wars for money and to gain electronics monopoly! GET IT!? if not, read the bold area again! I hold psychic potential, and I know the concealed goals of both companies!

Post by **Tiff** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 8:08 pm

RAPTOR948 wrote:
TRAITOR!! firstly, I'm not on crack, or any drug, you need to quit the pot, crack, heroine, and oxycoton! Nintendo is still the same company. but according to your post, you seem more interested in games made of only pretty images, or pro-crime, instead of solid gameplay! cuz Sony's games are mostly about how much crime you can do before you get busted! and Microsoft is only about the look, and trying to gain a monopoly on electronics! look at the shit thats in the clear! Nintendo: fighting to preserve excellent gameplay, and hold true that justice will triumph! Sony & Microsoft: in the console wars for money and to gain electronics monopoly! GET IT!? if not, read the bold area again! I hold psychic potential, and I know the concealed goals of both companies!

ADMIN MODE:

You need to calm down. A lot of your statements are borderline "out of line", and you need to calm down before posting anymore. You're starting to get rude with your replies.

TO RAPTOR AND EVERYONE ELSE TRYING TO DO SO: STOP trying to constantly sway people to your opinions. This is a DISCUSSION forum, not a political forum.

peachvampiress · Post by **peachvampiress** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 8:17 pm

It's hard to feel insulted by someone with an eyesore signature that you think is cool but is actually retarded. I calmly gave my opinion on this subject and read the intelligent posts by everyone except you. I think most have made good points. I'm going to stop posting in this thread because I have no more to say on the subject and because I don't want to take this off topic.

RAPTOR948 · Post by **RAPTOR948** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 8:19 pm

Tiff wrote: ADMIN MODE:

You need to calm down. A lot of your statements are borderline "out of line", and you need to calm down before posting anymore. You're starting to get rude with your replies.

TO RAPTOR AND EVERYONE ELSE TRYING TO DO SO: STOP trying to constantly sway people to your opinions. This is a DISCUSSION forum, not a political forum.

my most humble appologies. I'm just touchy about these topics like polotics, and the console wars. I already sought therapy and if this was before then, I'd be MUCH worse. I appologize for the offence, I'm quite touchy about polotics, religion, and the console wars. please forgive me.*bows* I hate being mocked by someone who has no self respect, and no respect towards tradition. I'll adhere to the words of the administration.