I'm tired of hearing how awful the dub is..

Neo Dead Moon · Post by **Neo Dead Moon** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 5:18 pm

Note: Somehow I bet this will get me in trouble with the admins and moderators...

I'm tired of hearing about how "horrid" the Sailor Moon dub is. Countless pointless posts have been made just for the sake of saying that Cloverway/DiC/Optimum sucks:

"Luna's dub voice sucks" (her Japanese voice isn't much better, and is not very cute IMO)

"Serena's 'yodeling squeal'"

"Rini is a giant brat" (as if she was an angel in the original Japanese)

"meatball head"

"inconsistent attack names" (like inconsistent art and animation isn't a big deal or something)

"they didn't release Stars"

And it goes on and on and on.

Wonder why the rest of the Internet looks down on Sailor Moon fans so much? It's because that they feel that Sailor Moon are over-anaylzing an anime and manga aimed for LITTLE GIRLS (that's right, little girls: ages 4 to 9. NOT teenagers, and most certainly NOT adults)! Granted, there are some things that pissed me off about the dub, but compared to the rest of you, I look like I'm pro-Optimum!

I'm also tired of people saying that when they watch a scene first in the English dub and then watch it again in Japanese, they're watching the "real thing". Aside from a few plot points here and there, what did you miss? Filler episodes?! Random, 10 second bits of humor?! Outlined breats in the transformation sequences?! Signs that you cannot even read because they're in a language most of you don't understand?!

And most of the name changes weren't even that big of a deal. Ami had ONE letter change, Rei's name is spelled differently, but still pronounced the same way, Minako was just shortened to Mina, Usagi was changed to Serena (as in Serenity)...the only really weird names were Amara, Trista, Molly, Melvin, Lita, and Darien. Where they got those names from is beyond me. And practically all of the main villiams kept their names, too (unless you're nitpicky about romanization, but I was never a fan of the Black Moon's Japanese names in the first place. Petz?! Safir? Daimondo? And how are Sapphire and Diamond THAT much "different" again?).

As for the voices..well, they either grow on you or you don't. Although if there were more than ten actors in the series, complaints would be much minimalized, I bet (hiring better actors, or at least those with experience, would've helped too. In this case it WAS Optimum's fault). As for the English script sucking...well, every other line in the Japanese version is about someone yelling at someone else/thinking about someone else, some random bit of humor (usually based in Japanese culture), talk about death, or talk about how if you diss maidens/girls, you're going to get your ass kicked. Only a few major changes were made, and some characters WERE modifed (Rei, for one), but it's no different from the dozens of changes made in the move from the manga to the anime in the first place. Rei is a bitch in the Japanese version of the anime, and so is Raye...Raye just shows it more often.

Oh, and it's not as if (illegal) fansubs of the series were available on the Internet all these years or anything for the episodes you missed or anything (not released in Japanese in America or not, the fact that fansubs of the first two seasons of Sailor Moon were available for purchase after 1995 is still wrong)! You guys would know...most of you here only have fansub tapes of Sailor Moon with the exception of the S, SuperS, and movie R1 DVD/VHS releases (some also have the first and second boxsets, but you're not too busy bitching about them to really care that those seasons are finally in America). Actually, with the exception of a select few, most here don't even have the R2 DVDs or laserdiscs of the original Japanese series at all! You say Optimum was disrepectful towards Sailor Moon...but your owning and downlaoding of fansubs is np better. You aren't giving any money to Toei this way, and it's no wonder it took so many god-damn years for S and SuperS to come to America when you people weren't giving the money, or the support, needed to do so!

Granted, this rant isn't aimed towards everyone, but it's stuff like this that makes me notice why Sailor Moon fans are constantly looked down upon the rest of the Net, and it saddens me. I enjoyed watching Sailor Moon on tv 5 years ago in English, and the recorded tapes I have of it are still watched from time to time again in my basement. Never mind that this is how I got into Sailor Moon in the first place. Never mind this is how a lot of people got into Sailor Moon. I'm not watching the "real" Sailor Moon...what would I know? I'm not a "true" Sailor Moon fan, if Tiff-san's previous statements on this forum AND on the SMU web site indicate. So can I honestly give an opinion of an anime I've only seen 1/7th of in its original Japanese?

Well, even if I can't, I will. SOMEONE has to defend the Sailor Moon dub...and if I'm the only one, then so be it.

Celexa · Post by **Celexa** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 6:07 pm

Wow. That's like a novel, Neo Dead Moon. But I digress. I probably always will be a fan of the Japanese version more than the dub, but I agree that the english version wasn't all that bad. While there are some points I can't quite get over (EX Serena's voice in S, I know you mentioned that) the dub wasn't as bad as it could have been. Remember the Toonmakers clip, anyone? (I think I'm scarred for life thanks to that) and if you watch it while thinking about it, the dubbers TRIED to put in good jokes and TRIED to stick to the original, and while in some parts they failed, in some parts they triumphed. I think there were at least three episodes that were so close to the original, it was dubbed like Chobits. (Chobits has a creepily good dub) While I still prefer the Japanese version to the original, I don't mind the dub. Sometimes, if I'm really to lazy to set a DvD to Japanese / subs, I can enjoy the dub. (And some parts were better than the original, in the first S episode when Serena's hand gets hit and her staff gets knocked away, she delivers one of the best screams I've ever heard)

And as for how you think you might get in trouble with the Powers That Be, I'm no mod, but I can't see this post breaking any rules. Just because this site picks apart the original episodes to show the dub watchers what they're missing doesn't mean they don't have an open mind about dub supporters.

jupiter23 · Post by **jupiter23** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 6:15 pm

I second that, Rainbow. I too prefer the sub over the dub, but I am not totally against watching the dub.

Sailorasteroid · Post by **Sailorasteroid** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 6:28 pm

OK, point by point:

Bishoujo Senshi Sailormoon may have been aimed at 4-9-year-olds (I'm not conceding the point, but let's go with it) but it managed to hit a much bigger target. Sailor Moon, the dub, was definitely aimed at youngsters with no consideration for anyone else. The fact that it garnered American fans of all ages is a testament to the strength of the original.

As more than one "dubbie" (trying to be accurate, not insulting) has pointed out, Sailor Moon is listed as an apdatation, not a translation, but the question is why they didn't do a translation. I'll get back to that.

Name changes: Again, why? Who does it hurt to keep it as Ami, even if you want to pronounce it Amy? Sure, Mako is an unheard-of name in the US, but Lita isn't too popular either.

The voices and scripts: Sure the English version was a less nuanced version of the original--that's the complaint! They kept the structure; they killed the style. The voices helped to do this. Ami is a genius who has a tough time making friends because of her intelligence, and who dearly treasures the ones she has because of that fact. Amy is a genius who has no problem telling her friends how smart she is or quoting her textbook. Makoto is a dainty housewife trapped in a huge body who gets into fights because of it. Lita is a tomboy who likes fighting and wants to own a restaurant. If you're doing a dossier, the characters are almost identical. If you want to get to know the characters and get into the storyline, it's so much shallower in the dub.

Fansubs: How can we support Toei if they have no products to sell? Send them money and hope they deliver us a product? Perhaps you didn't notice, but there's not a reputable distributor who will sell or trade fansubs of the first four seasons. Buying LDs in a language we don't understand does us no end of good. As a matter of economics the customer has to recieve something of value. And that's a perfect segue into The Point:

I understand the economics of dubbing Sailor Moon. You can make a faithful translation and reach eccentric college students, or turn it into Rainbow Brite-with-Planets-Instead-of-Colors and reach the little-girl market. The latter is probably 10 times the former, and can bug its collective parents to buy worthless pieces of plastic. DIC, Optimum, Cloverway, all the companies involved made a money decision, and I don't fault them. If they had placed Art over Money, we'd all send them thank you notes, and their shareholders would send them death threats. I understand, but I do not approve.

We are a market too, we who appreciate the beauty of the original anime. And we have voiced our frustrations thus:

That we stand here cash in hand, waiting to buy high-quality copies of the show for heavy coin, and still we do not find them.

That we are not enough of a market to warrant being allowed to "pay" for our entertainment by watching advertising, i.e., putting anime in general or Sailormoon in particular on TV isn't worth it.

That the culture precludes us from seeing things we enjoy in the name of people who don't. Always we hear, "You can't show breast lines on TV! You can't have a gay relationship in an animated show!" There are things on TV that offend me, and no one cares.

That the law allows a company to buy "all English rights" to a show and then sit on them or produce an adaptation instead of a translation. If the companies with distribution rights to Sailormoon don't want to make a proper sub, why not let someone who does want to do so?

So, yes, I whine. Yes, I am frustrated. Yes, I condone the writing of webpages which excoriate the dub and dissect its every flaw. I think I have earned the right. If "the rest of the Net" looks askance at me for this, I believe they are wrong. (In truth, I think the rest of the Net is in large part unaware of Sailormoon.)

In closing, let me say this. Look at my four points above and realize that they are directed at four seperate parties, only the first of which can be actually codified and seen. If fans of the original decry the dubbing companies, it is because it is fruitless and frustrating to condemn the culture or the law or our own lack of numbers. Perhaps this is a flaw. But it does not invalidate our claims or our feelings. If we are doomed to have no voice, we must scream.

Tempest · Post by **Tempest** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 6:49 pm

I'm tired of people assuming that Admins and Mods are going to go apeshit because someone has a difference of opinion. I cannot predict how the others will react to this, but the "powers-that-be" are nice and level people.

Anyway, I'm tired of Dub vs. Sub wars all together. I think its stupid how upset people get when someone mentions they like dub, or how ignorant people get if someone says they watch subs only. It's completely childish how people get worked up like their first born is going to be sacrificed when someone has a difference of preference on the subject.

-_-;I agree and disagree with alot of stuff you mentioned. About the show being aim for young girls, I agree. I go into this very rant about CardCaptors. God knows, don't say anything pro dub around some CCS fans. They'll bite your head off just for the notion. I should know, it's happened to me on many occasions. Yes, I LIKE the Japanese version, but I like the dubbed version. And yes, it was a tragedy that it was butchered so badly, but it wasn't aim for my age group. It was aim for young girls.

Liking or disliking a dub is boiled down to personal preference. I have nothing against the dub and, way back when, I never missed a day it was aired. But I still prefer the "Japanese with English subtitles" version better because it's my own preference. I have nothing against the dubbed version, but I like the Japanese version better. Cut fillers : Yes, alot of the epsiodes that were cut were filler episodes, but it's stupid that they the cut it in the first place. Their was nothing wrong with most of the episodes cut, so it was idiotic to cut them for not reason.

If people choose to make fun of, or degrade, Sailormoon Fans because some may hold allegiance to the dubb, then it's their own problem. I'm a Sailormoon fan, and I'm not ashamed of the fact. I used to watch and love the dub and have no hesitations admitting that the dub is the only reason I watch Sailormoon now. If soemone wants to call me names for it, it shows how immature that some people can get. If SM fans want to analyize Sailormoon, let them. It's their 2 cents and their webspace.

Please, don't lecture people who own fansubs like they are the reason S and SuperS wasn't available for american viewers. I don't ever recall anywhere on the internet : DONATE NOW AND WE'LL START A FUND TO GET MORE SAILORMOON!!. Well, at least nothing that wasn't a scam. Fans let it be known on the internet that we wanted more Sailormoon, it's just no one cared or listend. I mean how many websites supported the release or license of S an SuperS, but did higher-up executives care? People downloaded/purchased videos because, at the time, there was no way to get a hold of S and SuperS series. So do not accuse everyone of wanting, but not wanting to give.

You're not the only person on the internet defending dubs. -_-; I've more than defended most dubs. I got hell for it, but I've defended it, and Sailormoon is one of the animes I defend. ALOT of people defend dubs, dispite the fact that most people dislike them.

KevinTRod · Post by **KevinTRod** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 7:07 pm

The one thing I hate about people who dwell on how bad DiC's dub for "Sailor Moon" is that most of these people don't realize that the dub is about nine years old, and it's healthy to let some grudges go. Sure it was one of the worst dubs back then, but compared to dubs like "Shaman King" and "Yu-Gi-Oh," the SM dub really isn't considered too bad these days (And those who say it's still the worst dub ever probably hasn't watched a dubbed anime on TV in a LONG time). I don't know, I love the show, but it says something about the fans when they make posts on how much a nine year old dub sucks. Heck, right now the show is actually being taken away from us (Dub and all), and we're still debating the "dub vs. sub" war. I still like the Japanese version better then the dub, but I've got my subtitled DVD's and I'm happy, so why complain any longer? Maybe that's just me though.

Post by **Tiff** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 8:59 pm

Tempest wrote:I'm tired of people assuming that Admins and Mods are going to go apeshit because someone has a difference of opinion. I cannot predict how the others will react to this, but the "powers-that-be" are nice and level people.

Anyway, I'm tired of Dub vs. Sub wars all together. I think its stupid how upset people get when someone mentions they like dub, or how ignorant people get if someone says they watch subs only. It's completely childish how people get worked up like their first born is going to be sacrificed when someone has a difference of preference on the subject.

Exactly, Tempest. Thank you. Jesus, just becuase I prefer the sub and co-own a site that compares the two doesn't mean I'm going to bite off someone's head becuase they want to defend the dub. That offends me, completely. If you really think that low of me and the other admins, then I don't know what the hell you're even doing here.

And I agree, Tempest. What the hell? You know what gets me? How people who watch the dub go on and on about how us "subbies" (a label I detest) bitch and moan about the dub, then they turn right around, climb on their own soapboxes, and feel the need to defend the dub as though it's their firstborn child we're insulting. Did you MAKE the dub? Do you claim some ownership to the rights? Did you have a hand in making it what it is? If not, then WHY DO YOU CARE?

Neo Dead Moon wrote:
I'm not watching the "real" Sailor Moon...what would I know? I'm not a "true" Sailor Moon fan, if Tiff-san's previous statements on this forum AND on the SMU web site indicate. So can I honestly give an opinion of an anime I've only seen 1/7th of in its original Japanese?

Where in nine hells have I said that anybody who doesn't watch the sub isn't a true sailor moon fan? Where? I demand to be shown. If I had said that, then it was either meant as a joke or sarcasm, but I don't recall a single moment I've said that.

You know, it's shit like this that makes us look like idiots too, and by "us" meaning Sailor Moon Fans. You climbing on a soap box and waving your fist and defending every aspect of said "little girls show" only makes us look stupider. What the hell is the difference? If you're tired of seeing people diss something you don't like, then lock yourself in your closet and never come out, becuase it's going to happen everywhere you go. I'm going to speak my mind about what I like and don't like, and if it bothers you that damn much, then you shouldn't be allowed to roam the outside world, for fear that you'll crumple and cry becuase someone's outspoken disagreement bothers you.

It's because that they feel that Sailor Moon are over-anaylzing an anime and manga aimed for LITTLE GIRLS

Then why are you HERE? That's SMU's purpose...yet you visit it and post in its forum. Why? If you don't agree with our purpose, then it's pointless. You're wasting your time, and ours.

Aside from a few plot points here and there, what did you miss?

Again, our site lists these things, point by point. That's why we're here. If you don't agree or don't understand, leave. It's that simple.

The only thing about your post that even remotely makes me go apeshit is the fact that you've managed to hypocritically rant about the thing that you're pissed off about. You've taken the exactly act you're bitching about, and taken up space to do the EXACT SAME THING.

I don't give a flying sack of shit what version you or anybody else likes. When I say I don't like the dub, I'm not insulting you, so get over it.

Sailorasteroid, I cannot quote your post becuase of its length..but I applaud you. I agree with every bit of what you said. Bravo, my friend. Bravo.

You wanna go love the dub? You wanna defend it? Be my guest. I don't CARE. But don't waste the space in this forum to froth at the mouth and do the very thing you're against those who enjoy subs doing. It goes both ways, buddy.

yamijounouchi · Post by **yamijounouchi** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 10:00 am

Neo Dead Moon wrote:
Wonder why the rest of the Internet looks down on Sailor Moon fans so much? It's because that they feel that Sailor Moon are over-anaylzing an anime and manga aimed for LITTLE GIRLS (that's right, little girls: ages 4 to 9. NOT teenagers, and most certainly NOT adults)!

i'd have to disagree with you there. i don't really know where you got this from, but sailormoon is definately not a show for 4 year olds (hell, i don't even think the dub was aimed at kids that young). for one thing, it's a little too violent to be aimed at really young kids. also, it's a bit mature as well-no, i don't mean sexually-the plot, music, romance, and dialogue all seem to be a bit more mature than what would appeal to a little kid.

Sailor Solider · Post by **Sailor Solider** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 12:04 pm

Well, after reading this, I ran into a interesting article SSP made that's similar to the topic. I think it's called Anime vs. Manga vs. Dub.

http://eternalsailormoon.org/reviews/

Rainbow · Post by **Rainbow** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 2:31 pm

jupiter23 wrote:I second that, Rainbow. I too prefer the sub over the dub, but I am not totally against watching the dub.

I didn't post anything until now, I'm guessing you were responding to Celexa? Though I do agree with your post, so good guess!

Um...woah! Personally, I'd be classified as a tolerant (or amused) subbie, in that I prefer the subs but I do find "bad" dubs funny. (and I do value humor a lot) I don't hate hard-core purists or dubbies, I've had both for friends. And no, Tiff never said it wasn't okay to like the dub and say that here, otherwise I would've been banned a long time ago.

I'm not sure if this fits here or should be it's own topic, but I've never found "Scouts" to be that bad of a translation for "Senshi." Here are my reasons:
1) Americans might be confused by "soldiers" wearing outfits that look more like cheerleader clothes, and might expect them to wear combat gear.
2) A "Scout" isn't just a girl Scout. Boy Scouts often do more survival stuff, and there ARE soldiers who are scouts--people who track down the enemy on foot (so far as I know).

Granted, it's a bit odd, but not as "bad" as it could be--what if they were called the "Sailor Cheerleaders" because of their outfits?

ParaKiss_Groupie · Post by **ParaKiss_Groupie** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 2:59 pm

I agree whole-heartedly with Tempest and Tiff. If you think the Admins and Mods here are going to freak out because somone disagrees with them, what the hell are you doing posting here? Some people like the dub. Some like the sub. THAT'S THEIR OPINION. I prefer the sub over the dub, and I explain my reasons. Because I want to watch the original. Because certain things in the dub annoy me. THAT'S MY OPINION. I have the right to express that, just as you have the right to express your opinion. If you can't handle that people can express their own opinions, then I strongly suggest you DO NOT VISIT PUBLIC PLACES.

RoastedTwinkies · Post by **RoastedTwinkies** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 3:17 pm

I completely agree with Tiff and Sailorastriod. It doesn't matter what version of the show we prefer; we're here because we share that common interest which is Sailor Moon. We're not offending anyone by having contrasting opinions about the show, so why bitch about it? If contrasting opinions bother you so much, then why are you here? Someone will always have a different opinion than you regardless of what the subject is, so get over it.

Cardcaptor Takato · Post by **Cardcaptor Takato** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 3:47 pm

Rainbow wrote: I'm not sure if this fits here or should be it's own topic, but I've never found "Scouts" to be that bad of a translation for "Senshi." Here are my reasons:
1) Americans might be confused by "soldiers" wearing outfits that look more like cheerleader clothes, and might expect them to wear combat gear.
2) A "Scout" isn't just a girl Scout. Boy Scouts often do more survival stuff, and there ARE soldiers who are scouts--people who track down the enemy on foot (so far as I know).

Granted, it's a bit odd, but not as "bad" as it could be--what if they were called the "Sailor Cheerleaders" because of their outfits?

I think senshi is a better term than scout because a "soldier" is an active, loyal or militant follower of an organzation and a "scout" is just someone who obverses and collects data. If you've watched Sailor Stars, you know what the Sailor Wars are and that makes me think of the Sailor Senshi as soldiers even more and the Sailor Senshi sure do heck of a lot more than just observe and collect data; they actually fight, too.

Em · Post by Em » Sat Apr 24, 2004 3:48 pm

I perfre the Japnese version over the dub the voices are much better and macth the mood of the scne at the time. That been said I still like the DIC dub. I enjoy wachting DIC dubb but then I don't like cloverway or the moives dubbed versionbut that's just me.

It's not like I go up to people with a mallet and bash them over the head for not likeing what I like.

Rainbow · Post by **Rainbow** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 4:12 pm

Cardcaptor Takato wrote:I think senshi is a better term than scout because a "soldier" is an active, loyal or militant follower of an organzation and a "scout" is just someone who obverses and collects data. If you've watched Sailor Stars, you know what the Sailor Wars are and that makes me think of the Sailor Senshi as soldiers even more and the Sailor Senshi sure do heck of a lot more than just observe and collect data; they actually fight, too.

Um, I agree with you. But that wasn't my point. Nowhere in that post did I say I PREFER "Scouts" to "Senshi" or "Soldiers." I said that there are more types of "Scouts" than just the girl ones who sell cookies. I just meant that DiC did have some good reasoning behind calling them that, though not perfect reason.

Anna Roz · Post by **Anna Roz** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 6:38 pm

Although I do tend to fuss over some things about the dub, (and sometimes I do over-react, but I try to keep that under control) I'd never harass someone who liked it. I tend to be nice towards the dub fans, but if they diss me, I tend to return the favor. The reason why I don't really like the dub is NOT because I want to see "teh scouts boobies", it's because I prefer the original over the dub. And partly because censorship in anime irks me a bit. The unfortunate thing is, for the fans that like the dub, it doesn't seem like they'll be able to see it anymore, since all those American licenses are expiring, and the only place you could get tapes is to rent them at a video store, or if you had recorded the episodes while they were on TV.

And about people that look down on SM fans? I've usually experienced that from "grown-up" people, you know, the ones that stereotype all people that like anime as being "fat, sweaty, white kids that act ghetto", or as they say. I mean, what the? Some of them are even grown adults, and that's only in "real life". I mean, I can't stand Pokemon, but I wouldn't go up to a bunch of kids and yell "BLAAARGH POKEYMON SUXOR!" and terrorize them. If you think people are harsh on the net, well, it's way worse in "real life"..

SailorBoy62 · Post by **SailorBoy62** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 1:14 pm

Wonder why the rest of the Internet looks down on Sailor Moon fans so much? It's because that they feel that Sailor Moon are over-anaylzing an anime and manga aimed for LITTLE GIRLS (that's right, little girls: ages 4 to 9. NOT teenagers, and most certainly NOT adults)!

Wow, that's really really stupid of you to say. Why? Because you have failed to recognize you're not one of those 4-9 little girls and you're going around saying you like it despite your age. Not only that, but you're saying you like the dub, which was majorly toned down. It's hypocrisy at its best.

DreamEmpress · Post by **DreamEmpress** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 2:23 am

*claps to Tiff-sama and the rest* Well said. I completely agree.

Alot of what was stated in the beginning was rather harsh. My suggestion is to take a walk and cool down.

I'm a fan of the subbed version. Have been for a long time now. However I was introduced to the series through the dub. I don't totally dislike it, I just have found something I like better. Sure it could be a lot better, but it could also be ten times worse. I'm just grateful for what has been released. Everyone has a preferance and neither is right or wrong. It's places like this where we can come together and discuss our mutual interests in a fun way. We even can learn somethings that we never thought of about it before.

Frankly after a while the whole dub/sub war is irriatating. So you don't like one thing, no big deal. All that is asked is that you don't make it sound like a crime if others don't share your view. Why attack people about the exact thing you're doing? It's kind of pointless. Like trying to win a fighting match with a mirror. In the end, you end up hurting yourself.

yamijounouchi · Post by **yamijounouchi** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 5:57 am

DreamEmpress wrote: Sure it could be a lot better, but it could also be ten times worse.

yeah, it could have been dubbed by 4kids.

Kez-chan · Post by **Kez-chan** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 8:31 am

Ouch. ^^;

Aside from a few plot points here and there, what did you miss?

I'd have thought plot points were pretty important...

Filler episodes?!

Which are very often funny as hell, even if they don't advance the plot any...

Random, 10 second bits of humor?!

And there I thought humour was important to SM as well...

Signs that you cannot even read because they're in a language most of you don't understand?!

Well, I don't think it's so much that. It's that they were trying their very best to make sure nobody ever figured out this was a Japanese show. Same with the car-flipping stuff. It's kinda... stupid and pointless. It's hardly going to harm kids if they know the show was made in Japan, is it?

Anyway...

The good old dub/sub debate has raged for years, could rage for another fity if it liked, and I couldn't add a darn thing to it. I will say this though: I don't like the dub. However, I understand the following:

1) It could have been worse
2) It could have been that or no Sailor Moon in the West at all, and I know which I prefer
3) There are people who started off with the dub and then progressed to the originals. And that can never be a bad thing. Everybody has to start somewhere. It's not where you begin, it's where you end up...

And finally - isn't there a thread somewhere here full of people saying the DIC dub is a great cartoon as long as you don't compare it to the original?? Hardly a total hate-fest where nobidy is allowed to say anything good about it at all, given that.

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