What did watching the dub make you believe?

jupiter23 · Post by **jupiter23** » Fri Apr 09, 2004 4:02 pm

No, in that episode, the Japanese version also implied that they would be back, but they never came back, as far as I know.

Anna Roz · Post by **Anna Roz** » Fri Apr 09, 2004 5:55 pm

I was a bit skeptical about the girls being "trapped in the Negaverse" in the final episode of the dubbed first season, but hey, I went along with it until I found out what REALLY happened, courtesy of the good old Internet and the sub. However, one thing that the dub made me believe was that Chibiusa, or rather "Rini", was an evil little brat that wanted to steal all of Sailor Moon's friends and family. However, once I saw the subbed version, I didn't get that kind of feeling of Chibiusa, in fact I kind of felt bad, whereas before since I had only seen the dub, I hated her guts and found her voice and presence irritating.

Since I had seen the original S before the dubbed version, the "cousins" bit didn't fool me, however, even with the censoring that Cloverway did, you still had this impression that "Amara" and "Michelle" were more than "cousins". In fact, I remember when I was watching the dub, my little brother, who hadn't watched the show, Japanese or dub, before, came up and watched a bit with me and then asked "Are those two girls gay with each other?".

As a fan of Haruka and Michiru's relationship in the original, I was not only appalled that they made them "cousins", but the kind of message they gave off too. I mean, it seems that two unrelated girls being in love with each other and holding hands is bad, yet two "cousins" that have this eerie incestual aura about them is considered okay for Cartoon Network? I find nothing wrong with homosexuality in anime, but incestual cousins? Sorry, that's where I have to draw the line..Cloverway really made themselves a laughing stock there..

But as for other things that I actually believed in the dub? I actually believed that all the villians in the second season were all related to the "Negaverse" and that the girls would randomly change their attack names and henshin phrases each episode..anyone remember "Moon Star Power" from the early R dub episodes?

Lady of the Light · Post by **Lady of the Light** » Fri Apr 09, 2004 7:40 pm

Ay, I remember 'Moon Star Power!', but when I was five I would yell at the t.v, "It's CRYSTAL POWER! GET IT RIGHT!"
*ahem*
The dub did make me believe that Zoicite was a woman, and that all the senshi were captured during the last episode. Also, I believed that all the Dark Moon villians were connected to 'The Negaverse' and had special relations to Queen Beryl. But I was only five then...

marspeach · Post by **marspeach** » Fri Apr 09, 2004 11:07 pm

Anna Roz wrote:I was a bit skeptical about the girls being "trapped in the Negaverse" in the final episode of the dubbed first season, but hey, I went along with it until I found out what REALLY happened, courtesy of the good old Internet and the sub. However, one thing that the dub made me believe was that Chibiusa, or rather "Rini", was an evil little brat that wanted to steal all of Sailor Moon's friends and family. However, once I saw the subbed version, I didn't get that kind of feeling of Chibiusa, in fact I kind of felt bad, whereas before since I had only seen the dub, I hated her guts and found her voice and presence irritating.

Since I had seen the original S before the dubbed version, the "cousins" bit didn't fool me, however, even with the censoring that Cloverway did, you still had this impression that "Amara" and "Michelle" were more than "cousins". In fact, I remember when I was watching the dub, my little brother, who hadn't watched the show, Japanese or dub, before, came up and watched a bit with me and then asked "Are those two girls gay with each other?".

As a fan of Haruka and Michiru's relationship in the original, I was not only appalled that they made them "cousins", but the kind of message they gave off too. I mean, it seems that two unrelated girls being in love with each other and holding hands is bad, yet two "cousins" that have this eerie incestual aura about them is considered okay for Cartoon Network? I find nothing wrong with homosexuality in anime, but incestual cousins? Sorry, that's where I have to draw the line..Cloverway really made themselves a laughing stock there..

But as for other things that I actually believed in the dub? I actually believed that all the villians in the second season were all related to the "Negaverse" and that the girls would randomly change their attack names and henshin phrases each episode..anyone remember "Moon Star Power" from the early R dub episodes?

Thankfully I knew about Haruka and Michiru before I saw the dub of S too. My mom and my younger brother both asked me if they were lesbians after seeing just one episode. I said, "No, they're cousins" as a joke. My mom was appalled. She thought they were really incestual in the original! I eventually told her the truth and she said "Well, okay then." Good times.

The Moonie · Post by **The Moonie** » Fri Apr 09, 2004 11:42 pm

I knew they were lesbians and all. In the dub "Amara" asked "Michelle" is she was jelousy when she caught her in the arcade with "Serena" and "Mina". I was like there meant to be cousins, Then "Amara" called them spastics.

Artemis · Post by **Artemis** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 10:32 pm

Chibi Son Gokou wrote:No, they are GAY. By that, they are literally GAY.

As opposed to what? Figuratively gay?
Anyway, when I first saw the dub, I thought that Safir was in love with Esmeraude. I was thinking, "WTF?" because in the previous episodes he had acted very contempuous (sp?) of her. And then I thought that either he was a really good actor or DiC had screwed up again (I had read a lot of stuff about the original on the internet).
I didn't think that Zoicite was a female, because I had read the manga before I saw the show.

Dinozore · Post by **Dinozore** » Tue Apr 13, 2004 12:10 am

The Moonie wrote:In the dub "Amara" asked "Michelle" is she was jelousy when she caught her in the arcade with "Serena" and "Mina".

But that was when they thought Amara was a guy and Michelle was his girlfriend. Hell, Haruka was even drawn a lot more masculine (even more than normal!) when she first appeared...

Cardcaptor Takato · Post by **Cardcaptor Takato** » Tue Apr 13, 2004 8:34 am

Another thing the dub made me believe was that I used to think that the Seven Youmas lost their special abilities they had as humans when their Rainbow Crystals were stolen from them. In the dub of Japanese episode 25, Andrew came up to Serena at the end of the episode and told her that he heard that Game Machine Joe was there yesterday and he wished he could've seen him. Serena said something about him being just a normal guy, so that gave me the impression that all the Seven Youmas lost their special abilities they had as humans when their Rainbow Crystals were stolen, although I was confused as to why Greg still had his pyshic powers.

Chibi Son Gokou · Post by **Chibi Son Gokou** » Tue Apr 13, 2004 12:03 pm

Artemis wrote:
Chibi Son Gokou wrote:No, they are GAY. By that, they are literally GAY.
As opposed to what? Figuratively gay?
Anyway, when I first saw the dub, I thought that Safir was in love with Esmeraude. I was thinking, "WTF?" because in the previous episodes he had acted very contempuous (sp?) of her. And then I thought that either he was a really good actor or DiC had screwed up again (I had read a lot of stuff about the original on the internet).
I didn't think that Zoicite was a female, because I had read the manga before I saw the show.

You know how people like to make up rumors about two people in a show, movie, book, etc. who are really close have a gay relationship? Like Captain Kirk and Mr. Spock, Bert and Ernie, etc. They're not really gay, but some people like to think they are. The same type of rumor could just be applied to Haruka and Michiru. In the dub, since they're cousins and what not, they just seem to have one of those rumored relationships, but they actually do have a relationship.

Artemis · Post by **Artemis** » Tue Apr 13, 2004 2:50 pm

Chibi Son Gokou wrote:
Artemis wrote:
Chibi Son Gokou wrote:No, they are GAY. By that, they are literally GAY.
As opposed to what? Figuratively gay?
Anyway, when I first saw the dub, I thought that Safir was in love with Esmeraude. I was thinking, "WTF?" because in the previous episodes he had acted very contempuous (sp?) of her. And then I thought that either he was a really good actor or DiC had screwed up again (I had read a lot of stuff about the original on the internet).
I didn't think that Zoicite was a female, because I had read the manga before I saw the show.
You know how people like to make up rumors about two people in a show, movie, book, etc. who are really close have a gay relationship? Like Captain Kirk and Mr. Spock, Bert and Ernie, etc. They're not really gay, but some people like to think they are. The same type of rumor could just be applied to Haruka and Michiru. In the dub, since they're cousins and what not, they just seem to have one of those rumored relationships, but they actually do have a relationship.

Yeah, I see what you mean. Although some people don't like to admit that they do have a relationship...*coughSOScough*

Jumbled Thoughts · Post by **MarioKnight** » Tue Apr 13, 2004 4:02 pm

I said enough with the entire gay conversation earilier in this thread. It's been discussed tired and true in this thread when it doesn't belong here, I said stop a few posts ago, so STOP. Any more comments or conversations on homosexuality in this thread will have that user banned for a week for not doing what a mod has asked to do. If anyone feels the need to debate the FACT that there are homosexual relationships in Sailor Moon should start another thread, because this one isn't the place for it. Thank you.

NameGoesHere · Post by **NameGoesHere** » Tue Apr 13, 2004 8:12 pm

-Fish-Eye was a girl. I was convinced! Whenever he was disguised he had breasts, and his weird blue suit thingy was shaped in a way that the lack of breasts really wasn't that noticeable. I would have argued the fact that he was a girl.

-Zirconia was a very ugly man wearing lipstick (and apparently related to Yoda). Now I know she's a very ugly woman.

-Pegasus was a creepy older guy who snuck into little girls dreams. It wasn't until I saw his human form that I realized that the voice he was given really didn't suit him.

-Chibiusa (Rini) had absolutely no regard for anyone's well being. I thought that she was a brat and didn't care about anyone but herself.

-That there really is a good reason to get drunk before you watch TV.

Chibi Son Gokou · Post by **Chibi Son Gokou** » Tue Apr 13, 2004 8:38 pm

That there really is a good reason to get drunk before you watch TV.

LMAO!

Dinozore · Post by **Dinozore** » Tue Apr 13, 2004 9:24 pm

NameGoesHere wrote:-Pegasus was a creepy older guy who snuck into little girls dreams. It wasn't until I saw his human form that I realized that the voice he was given really didn't suit him.

You wanna be technical, Pegasus is pretty damn old...

Post by **Tiff** » Tue Apr 13, 2004 11:02 pm

Dinozore wrote: You wanna be technical, Pegasus is pretty damn old...

So is Chibiusa, but does she LOOK it? At least the original Pegasus sounded the way his apperance made him look. In the dub, he had a blatant 40 year old male pedofiliac voice.

Dinozore · Post by **Dinozore** » Wed Apr 14, 2004 12:04 am

Tiff wrote:
Dinozore wrote: You wanna be technical, Pegasus is pretty damn old...
So is Chibiusa, but does she LOOK it? At least the original Pegasus sounded the way his apperance made him look. In the dub, he had a blatant 40 year old male pedofiliac voice.

Is she that old in the anime? I know she's 900+ in the manga, but I can't recall that being said in the anime.

Post by **Tiff** » Wed Apr 14, 2004 7:31 am

Dinozore wrote: Is she that old in the anime? I know she's 900+ in the manga, but I can't recall that being said in the anime.

*Shrug* I don't remember, but I would think with the name "Small Lady" still there, it would make sense that she is still 900+, because I believe in the anime it states that Neo Queen Serenity is in power for a pretty damn long time before the Black Moon attacks.

jupiter23 · Post by **jupiter23** » Thu Apr 15, 2004 1:07 pm

No, I don't belive the anime ever did give her exact age. I do remember seeing it in the manga, though.

Cardcaptor Takato · Post by **Cardcaptor Takato** » Thu Apr 15, 2004 2:42 pm

The only thing the anime says about the ages of the people of the Silver Millenlium is that they're long-living life forms, but don't ever give an exact age and since Chibi-usa is a descadnt of the Silver Millenium, it's possible for her to be older than she appears.

Sailor Moon · Post by **Sailor Moon** » Sun Apr 18, 2004 12:05 pm

The dub also amde it seem like Naru's mom was really Morga, since they edited out the line about her being trapped in the basement, so when her mom reappears it's like... uh... wasn't she destroyed? They also amde it seem like Queen Beryl knew Sailor Moon's identity, because she called her Serena once. Oh yeah, I recall Queen Beryl saying something like the moon stick was with her, where it belonged, and it made it sound like she woned the moon stick. Also, they made it seem like Sailor V was a different person who never made an appearance at all. They

I still can't believe I thought the episode where they go to flashbacks of the moon kingdom, you know, the one where Queen Serenity tells them the true story of the moon kingdom? Well, I still can't believe I thought the flashbacks was in an alternate universe they were sent to. I was re-watching my fansubs the other day, and I still wodner how I thought that the flashbacks to the moon kingdom was really some magical alternate universe everyone was sent to? I had soem imagination in 1995. Now I realzie why I thought it was an alternate universe. Whenever I watch the Japanese version, I always keep thinking about how I thought they were all sent to an alternate universe in the present, and I keep slapping myself, wondering how the heck I could have thought that.

Anyway, I still remember I had the craziest theories about the episode where everyone dies, what really happened to them. It wasn't jsut I thought people were alive, or taken soemwhere, oh no, my theories were otu fo this world, read more of them in my post on page one. Anyway, the Japanese versions make it very clear of all the things I mentioned.