The Sailor Starlights!

FoxFire · Post by **FoxFire** » Sat Oct 18, 2003 8:39 pm

LadyFlameSniper wrote:
FoxFire wrote:1. Seiya - He has the most personality out of all of them, moreso than Taiki and Yaten combined. I do not think he is better for Usagi than Mamoru (they're destined for each other, get over it)
*Sigh* Just because they're "destined to be with each other" doesn't mean me or anyone else can't think Seiya and Usagi would make a better couple. I'll leave it at that.

I was joking. I personally believe Usagi and Mamoru are meant for each other and make a great couple and wishing that Usagi ended up with Seiya instead is pointless, but everyone is free to have their own opinion.

FoxFire · Post by **FoxFire** » Sat Oct 18, 2003 8:46 pm

Celexa wrote:Well it's best to look at the Starlights this way in the anime:

Three Ranmas that are related.

The Starlights appear to be able to change at will, they're not cursed so that the change if they're splashed with cold water. I don't think Ranma would ever hit on someone of the same gender as he usually is the way Seiya does with Usagi. Imagine if Ranma changed into a female to hit on Kuno, not just when he needs to trick him into doing something for him.

Post by **Tiff** » Sat Oct 18, 2003 8:54 pm

Seiya: Love him. He's awesome. He's funny, arrogant, and so damn sweet. He's protective, and strong.
Yaten: Pretty cool. I love his attitude a lot of the time, but sometimes he annoys me.
Taiki: Can't stand him. Can't stand his voice, his looks, his attitude..he's just..useless.
And for the record, i'm all for the Seiya and Usagi thing. Mamoru's an idiot.

Starscream · Post by **Starscream** » Sat Oct 18, 2003 9:07 pm

Rainbow wrote:Another thing, it's not that weird in Japan for classmates to call each other by their family names, we do that in my Japanese class! It's especially necessary with the Starlights, it would be like having three friends named Jasmine Smith, Jasmine Duncan, and Jasmine White. You might start calling them by their last names, just to not confuse things!

Precisely:

Usagi: Kou-kun!
The 3 goobers (:P): What?!
Usagi facefalls.

Such a mess ^^;;

Senshi · Post by **Senshi** » Sun Oct 19, 2003 4:54 pm

Precisely:

Usagi: Kou-kun!
The 3 goobers (:P): What?!
Usagi facefalls.

Such a mess ^^;;

lol yea it would be very confusing...

Senshi · Post by **Senshi** » Sun Oct 19, 2003 4:57 pm

hmm.... I love them all!! They each have something that make them cool, Seiya's personality, Yaten's cool looks, and Taiki's attitude.

Tempest · Post by **Tempest** » Sun Oct 19, 2003 5:58 pm

Seiya - My favorite! He's kind, caring, a bit pompus, charming, and, as Tiff said, very protective. I think his effections and loyalty to Usagi is very endearing.

Yaten - he's a twerp, but that's what I love about him. He's to-the point about most topics, especially to clingy fans. I don't think he's ever questioned his mission or ever truely lost his focus. So, I like him for his honest and focus.

Taiki - I will freely admit that I used to not like Taiki, but Episode 185 made me re-evaluate my opinion of him. He's quiet and very intellegent (anyone who can remember long poetry in detail earns my respect). Cutting through the mesh of his "Idol" persona, he's very Human. His faith in his mission can be shaken. His sensitivity emerges. It makes him seem less perfect.

All three of them are hard-headed and very mistrusting. But I think Seiya's feelings towards Usagi kinda loosens him up. I am also very Seiya and Usagi bias. I just want her to drop everything and run away with him to some distant paradise. *romantic sparkly eyes*

Rainbow · Post by **Rainbow** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 6:01 pm

Has anyone noticed that in general (I'm not talking about everyone, I'm making generalizations here):
Seiya fans: view all the Lights as boys, often brothers, sometimes make up excuses so that Seiya won't be a homosexual (the example I'm thinking of is the site Seiya Is The Man, which had an article that said that the Starlights were reincarnated as boys), and often don't like Mamoru and often also don't like Chibi-Usa-sama
Yaten fans: usually view the Lights as boys too but sometimes like them better as both genders or girls, often like JUST Yaten of the Starlights and are also Outer Senshi fans
Taiki fans: are the most mixed on the gender issue, they are the most likely (myself included) to prefer the Lights as girls

This may be because of the characters that are most often paired up with the Lights (I personally don't like any of these pairings myself, I'm just listing what's common):
Seiya with Usagi or Kakyuu
Yaten with Minako
Taiki with Ami or Makoto

Look at who they're paired with. Usagi and Minako are DEFINITELY heterosexual, and would be more likely in love with the boy Lights. (now I do admit here that the Seiya + Kakyuu fans are more likely to prefer Seiya as a girl for some reason) But Ami and Makoto are the two most speculated amongst the fans to possibly be lesbians, outside of Haruka and Michiru themselves. So maybe the Taiki fans view a girl Taiki being in love with those two?

This is most evident in the KiSS dolls that are made of the Starlights. The Seiya and Yaten dolls are all gender-switching, but the Taiki dolls stay female. So maybe Taiki ISN'T the most masculine after all, huh?

marspeach · Post by **marspeach** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 7:20 pm

I hated that the anime made the Starlights into guys in civilian form. Was it all just for that one scene where Chibi Chibi takes Seiya's towel?

I think Seiya is the only Starlight I like in the anime. Yaten is a jerk, and I just don't care for Taiki. In the manga, they aren't given that much personality, really, so I don't have a very strong opinion on that.

Lucied · Post by **Lucied** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 8:02 pm

Rainbow wrote:Yaten fans: usually view the Lights as boys too but sometimes like them better as both genders or girls, often like JUST Yaten of the Starlights and are also Outer Senshi fans

That statement certainly holds true for me ^_^

Post by **Tiff** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 10:11 pm

Rainbow wrote: Look at who they're paired with. Usagi and Minako are DEFINITELY heterosexual, and would be more likely in love with the boy Lights. (now I do admit here that the Seiya + Kakyuu fans are more likely to prefer Seiya as a girl for some reason) But Ami and Makoto are the two most speculated amongst the fans to possibly be lesbians, outside of Haruka and Michiru themselves.

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It's times like these that I open my mouth to say something, and I can't, becuase the idea is just so ridiculous to me.

Ami and Makoto...WHAT? o_O; Um..Okay..I have NEVER heard of people thinking Ami was a lesbian...Makoto, MAYBE to be bi-sexual, but she obviously isn't, what with all the comparison of guys to her "sempai". She's a tomboy for crying out loud. But she's also very feminine. She loves to cook and clean.
>.< why must we make characters lesbians who AREN'T?

People speculate and anayze way too much. So the girl admired Haruka for a day. She had a mild crush on her..OUT OF ADMIRATION. She wanted to BE LIKE HER..not have sex with her.

-_-; it's just like when people see the manga image of usagi and minako and think that THEY'RE lesbians.

Just a bit of a pet peeve there.

Rainbow · Post by **Rainbow** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 10:17 pm

Tiff wrote: .....
It's times like these that I open my mouth to say something, and I can't, becuase the idea is just so ridiculous to me.

Ami and Makoto...WHAT? o_O; Um..Okay..I have NEVER heard of people thinking Ami was a lesbian...Makoto, MAYBE to be bi-sexual, but she obviously isn't, what with all the comparison of guys to her "sempai". She's a tomboy for crying out loud. But she's also very feminine. She loves to cook and clean.
>.< why must we make characters lesbians who AREN'T?

People speculate and anayze way too much. So the girl admired Haruka for a day. She had a mild crush on her..OUT OF ADMIRATION. She wanted to BE LIKE HER..not have sex with her.

-_-; it's just like when people see the manga image of usagi and minako and think that THEY'RE lesbians.

Just a bit of a pet peeve there.

I never said that I thought they were lesbians myself. I have seen speculations about both of them being lesbians in various places, in at least one place someone thought they would make a good couple together. As I said, I don't agree with any of the pairings that I mentioned, I was merely stating what the most popular ones were.

Post by **Tiff** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 10:23 pm

Rainbow wrote:
I never said that I thought they were lesbians myself. I have seen speculations about both of them being lesbians in various places, in at least one place someone thought they would make a good couple together. As I said, I don't agree with any of the pairings that I mentioned, I was merely stating what the most popular ones were.

And I never said I was talking about you *shrug* So there's no need to defend yourself.
Saying that two people would be a good couple doesn't mean you think they're lesbians. That's not even the same concept.

Stephen Victor · Post by **Stephen Victor** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 10:30 pm

Tiff wrote:Um..Okay..I have NEVER heard of people thinking Ami was a lesbian...Makoto, MAYBE to be bi-sexual, but she obviously isn't, what with all the comparison of guys to her "sempai". She's a tomboy for crying out loud. But she's also very feminine. She loves to cook and clean.
>.< why must we make characters lesbians who AREN'T?

People speculate and anayze way too much. So the girl admired Haruka for a day. She had a mild crush on her..OUT OF ADMIRATION. She wanted to BE LIKE HER..not have sex with her.

No offense, but that's a bit close-minded. I personally think Makoto's sexuality is open to the interpretation of the viewer and it's not that far-fetched to say she's bisexual since she seemed to be a little sexually attracted to Haruka. You shouldn't just state your opinion that Makoto is straight as if it's a proven fact because Naoko Takeuchi or the creators of the anime have never said explicitly whether she was straight or bi.

Post by **Tiff** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 10:33 pm

Stephen Victor wrote:
No offense, but that's a bit close-minded. I personally think Makoto's sexuality is open to the interpretation of the viewer and it's not that far-fetched to say she's bisexual since she seemed to be a little sexually attracted to Haruka. You shouldn't just state your opinion that Makoto is straight as if it's a proven fact because Naoko Takeuchi or the creators of the anime have never said explicitly whether she was straight or bi.

*Shrug* Until I hear evidence from the creator that she's not straight, I believe Makoto's not bisexual or gay. Naoko has plainly said that Michiru and Haruka were lovers...and they are the only two about which she's made statements of homosexuality.
I think a lot of people confuse admiration with homosexuality. Take SMR movie..I don't believe in the slightest that Fiore was sexually attracted to Mamoru. But all over the web, people say the opposite. If I had only one friend in the world, and I left them, and came back, knowing the only love I had was with them, I'd be pretty damn attached to. Doesn't mean I'd want to have sex with them.
It's the same with Mako and Haruka, IMO. She's full of admiration. She says so herself. And i've felt the same way about a girl I know. I'm not sexually attracted to her..but I react to her the same way Mako reacted to Haruka. I want to be like her.

Starscream · Post by **Starscream** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 10:35 pm

Stephen Victor wrote:
Tiff wrote:Um..Okay..I have NEVER heard of people thinking Ami was a lesbian...Makoto, MAYBE to be bi-sexual, but she obviously isn't, what with all the comparison of guys to her "sempai". She's a tomboy for crying out loud. But she's also very feminine. She loves to cook and clean.
>.< why must we make characters lesbians who AREN'T?

People speculate and anayze way too much. So the girl admired Haruka for a day. She had a mild crush on her..OUT OF ADMIRATION. She wanted to BE LIKE HER..not have sex with her.
No offense, but that's a bit close-minded. I personally think Makoto's sexuality is open to the interpretation of the viewer and it's not that far-fetched to say she's bisexual since she seemed to be a little sexually attracted to Haruka. You shouldn't just state your opinion that Makoto is straight as if it's a proven fact because Naoko Takeuchi or the creators of the anime have never said explicitly whether she was straight or bi.

Considering that the anime has her being attracted to ONLY males, and the manga the same, I think it's a pretty safe bet to assume that she is straight, and not bisexual. She shows NO attraction to Haruka other than as a role-model and a hero, someone to whom she can aspire to be. I mean, I'm as open minded as the next guy, but to echo Tiff, there's no reason to infer relationships/feelings where none are present.

Rainbow · Post by **Rainbow** » Wed Oct 29, 2003 5:24 am

Yikes! Makoto's not a Starlight! I didn't mean to start talking about her sexuality like that!

Okay, maybe there's another reason why the Taiki fans are more likely to prefer the girl forms. I have seen some people say that Taiki seems to be uncomfortable with his body in Taiki form, and that as Maker she's more comfortable. Even if that's because she's an idol as Taiki and wants to be quiet, it still points to Taiki's girl form being the form Taiki prefers. Or does he/she prefer the male form? It's just an idea.

Rainbow · Post by **Rainbow** » Fri Oct 31, 2003 2:59 pm

The story of how I found out about the Starlights is a bit interesting. I found them through a Sailor Moon personality test, and I liked Taiki (pronouncing it "Tay-kee" in my mind) because the test said one of my favorite characters (my own original character) was most like her. So I got curious about them. I actually cried when I found out the SailorStars April Fool's Joke was a joke, because I thought it was going to be dubbed. Later, I got my fansubs, and made my own fandub, but I would still watch a professional dub just out of curiousity. My guess is that Taiki would have a British accent.

Unlike most people, I wasn't shocked by the gender-changing (I liked that when I first heard about it), Maker's attack, or the Starlight Senshi outfit. Actually, I have never seen what a dominatrix outfit is supposed to look like. All I know is that the Starlight fuku resembles it. And I knew that only after my parents, while watching my SailorStars dub, commented that that's what Star Maker looks like.

Dragon_King · Post by **Dragon_King** » Wed Jan 14, 2004 4:24 pm

FoxFire wrote:1. Seiya - He has the most personality out of all of them, moreso than Taiki and Yaten combined. I do not think he is better for Usagi than Mamoru (they're destined for each other, get over it) but they had a nice friendship at least.

It's too hard to decide who's between Yaten and Taiki. They're both pretty mean and cold. Maybe Taiki because he/she's the least mean and more of a realist, and she has the most interesting attack name.

We Might get to see Sailor Stars soon, if Disney gets the rights to show it in the U.S

Jumbled Thoughts · Post by **MarioKnight** » Wed Jan 14, 2004 4:29 pm

Dragon_King wrote:We Might get to see Sailor Stars soon, if Disney gets the rights to show it in the U.S

And what does that have to do with this topic? This is a discussion on what people think of the Starlights, nothing about if the season itself nor the possibility of a release for it, just about the characters.