Favorite Sailor Moon couple?

purplefeltangel · Post by **purplefeltangel** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 5:38 pm

Cardcaptor Takato wrote:
purplefeltangel wrote: As for my favourite couple . . . well, Rei and Minako. I fully and entirely realize that they're not a couple and that they have no feelings for each other, but I think they would be really nice as a couple. Minako is really ditzy and goofy, and Rei is more grounded and down-to-Earth -- Rei might calm Minako down a bit, and Minako could teach Rei to have some fun. (That and they look really sexy together.) Plus Rei in the manga seems to be a lesbian, and nobody's ever said Minako's not bisexual . . . ^^;;

I always thought Rei was one of those men-haters (or whatever they're called) rather than a lesbian. I don't think she's not attracted to men but more like she just doesn't trust them. That's what PGSM Rei seems like, anyway. And when Minako found out Haruka was a girl, she was very disappointed, but if she was a bisexual, I think she probably could care less which gender Haruka was.

Yeah, but I was referring to the manga. ^^; Sorry, I should probably specify that before every post . . . lol . . . .

As for Minako, I'm not certain, but I don't think in the manga she ever had a crush on Haruka? I can't remember, heh.

Anyway, Rei seems to have a serious problem with men and doesn't want to associate with them, so I think she seems pretty lesbian. Ah well.

Oh and . . . wait . . . oh, I don't know. I was going to say something else but I forgot. ^^;

Post by **Tiff** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 8:49 pm

purplefeltangel wrote: Anyway, Rei seems to have a serious problem with men and doesn't want to associate with them, so I think she seems pretty lesbian. Ah well.

Oh and . . . wait . . . oh, I don't know. I was going to say something else but I forgot. ^^;

...Yes, she has a problem with men. Becuase her father dumped her off on her grandfather. He abandoned her.

Dude..having a problem with men doesn't make one a lesbian. -_- Lordy.

purplefeltangel · Post by **purplefeltangel** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 8:57 pm

I never said having a problem with men necessarily makes one a lesbian. I think it implies that she *could* be a lesbian. I also never said her father wasn't the reason she has a problem with men. I just said it seems like she's a lesbian to me.

And anyway, didn't she choose to live with her grandfather over her father, because her father was so devoted to politics after her mother died? I'd say if she chooses to live with a man and loves him in a familial sense, that would indicate that when she's talking about how she doesn't have time for men and they can't be trusted, she means in romantic relationships. Especially since she usually says stuff like that when the other girls are going ga-ga over guys. The other option is, of course, women. She could be asexual, or she could be attracted to men but not want to open up to them in case she gets hurt. I just think that her distrust of men is evidence that she could be a lesbian.

Post by **Tiff** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 9:03 pm

purplefeltangel wrote:I never said having a problem with men necessarily makes one a lesbian. I think it implies that she *could* be a lesbian. I also never said her father wasn't the reason she has a problem with men. I just said it seems like she's a lesbian to me.

And anyway, didn't she choose to live with her grandfather over her father, because her father was so devoted to politics after her mother died? I'd say if she chooses to live with a man and loves him in a familial sense, that would indicate that when she's talking about how she doesn't have time for men and they can't be trusted, she means in romantic relationships. Especially since she usually says stuff like that when the other girls are going ga-ga over guys. The other option is, of course, women. She could be asexual, or she could be attracted to men but not want to open up to them in case she gets hurt. I just think that her distrust of men is evidence that she could be a lesbian.

But that seems to be you ronly argument on the subject. You constantly say, over and over, "Rei has a problem with men". You have yet to give ANY other reason as to why she could be a lesbian.

She's mature, and doesn't go "ga-ga" over men becuase it's not her personality. Some women just DON'T act like that. That doesn't make them lesbians.

I think your argument is ridiculously weak.

purplefeltangel · Post by **purplefeltangel** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 9:06 pm

It's true that she doesn't go ga-ga over men, but she also says things that are directly against men. I'm not arguing that she is a lesbian, by the way, just that it's not implausible that she is in the same way that it's implausible that Haruka's straight.

Sailorasteroid · Post by **Sailorasteroid** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 9:07 pm

She was pretty ga-ga over Mamoru, planning to trip into him, and she did seem somewhat affectionate to Yuuichiro when he was going to leave her.

All I'm saying is that she seems to like guys an awful lot for a supposed lesbian. And she doesn't seem to like girls.

Post by **Tiff** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 9:09 pm

purplefeltangel wrote:It's true that she doesn't go ga-ga over men, but she also says things that are directly against men. I'm not arguing that she is a lesbian, by the way, just that it's not implausible that she is in the same way that it's implausible that Haruka's straight.

Considering the fact that Haruka and Michiru were the ONLY two who Naoko ever PUBLICLY said were lesbians, I'd say it's pretty damn implausible.

Come on. It's so irritating when people try to bend things such as sexuality on characters. I say plenty of things against men. It doesn't make me a lesbian. Again, your argument is weak.

She was pretty ga-ga over Mamoru, planning to trip into him, and she did seem somewhat affectionate to Yuuichiro when he was going to leave her.

All I'm saying is that she seems to like guys an awful lot for a supposed lesbian. And she doesn't seem to like girls.

Yep. See? there's a good argument.

purplefeltangel · Post by **purplefeltangel** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 9:15 pm

I have specified in all my previous posts that I'm talking about manga Rei, only manga Rei, and forever manga Rei. I have no idea what she's like in the anime. Sorry, but . . . .

Anyway, I've said this three zillion times: I'm not trying to bend her sexuality, just say that the pairing I like (being the ecchi that I am) is not implausible, at least on one side, because it is not implausible that Rei is a lesbian. I know it's never said she is. For all intents and purposes, she's probably straight. However, she could be a lesbian, and she acts it sometimes. That's all I'm saying.

As for Minako, eh, she probably doesn't like women at all, but I can wish. ^^;

Post by **Tiff** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 9:57 pm

purplefeltangel wrote: However, she could be a lesbian, and she acts it sometimes. That's all I'm saying.

Define "acting" like a lesbian? Last I checked, "acting like a lesbian" meant actually having a relationship with women, which includes such intimate moments as kissing, cuddling, sex, and declarations of love.

Rei does none of these.

purplefeltangel · Post by **purplefeltangel** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 10:09 pm

Tiff wrote:
purplefeltangel wrote: However, she could be a lesbian, and she acts it sometimes. That's all I'm saying.
Define "acting" like a lesbian? Last I checked, "acting like a lesbian" meant actually having a relationship with women, which includes such intimate moments as kissing, cuddling, sex, and declarations of love.

Rei does none of these.

Acts like she could be a lesbian.

Post by **Tiff** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 10:53 pm

purplefeltangel wrote:
Tiff wrote:
purplefeltangel wrote: However, she could be a lesbian, and she acts it sometimes. That's all I'm saying.
Define "acting" like a lesbian? Last I checked, "acting like a lesbian" meant actually having a relationship with women, which includes such intimate moments as kissing, cuddling, sex, and declarations of love.

Rei does none of these.
Acts like she could be a lesbian.

...that didn't tell me anything. Again, how does one "act like she could be a lesbian"??

Em · Post by Em » Wed Feb 16, 2005 1:16 am

I like (manga) Usagi and Mamoru as a couples I just love the bit in the manga when [spoiler]Usagi kiss the wacht and at the same time Mamoru kiss her hanchife[/spoiler]

As for Rei there is that mini manga in the 11 manga ( tokyo pop version) [spoiler]her crush on Kaido [/spoiler]

Also I don't go ga-ga over men it's just not me and doesn't mean am a lesbian. And as for "acting like a lesbian" the only time you could say I do that is when girl's in my class ask me if I am one and ask them if it's becuase they want to date me.

peachvampiress · Post by **peachvampiress** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 1:21 am

Em

I like (manga) Usagi and Mamoru as a couples I just love the bit in the manga when [spoiler]Usagi kiss the wacht and at the same time Mamoru kiss her hanchife [/spoiler]

T_T I love that scene. It's so touching. More proof that manga Usa and Mamo kick ass.

Cardcaptor Takato · Post by **Cardcaptor Takato** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 9:15 am

purplefeltangel wrote:
Cardcaptor Takato wrote:
purplefeltangel wrote: As for my favourite couple . . . well, Rei and Minako. I fully and entirely realize that they're not a couple and that they have no feelings for each other, but I think they would be really nice as a couple. Minako is really ditzy and goofy, and Rei is more grounded and down-to-Earth -- Rei might calm Minako down a bit, and Minako could teach Rei to have some fun. (That and they look really sexy together.) Plus Rei in the manga seems to be a lesbian, and nobody's ever said Minako's not bisexual . . . ^^;;

I always thought Rei was one of those men-haters (or whatever they're called) rather than a lesbian. I don't think she's not attracted to men but more like she just doesn't trust them. That's what PGSM Rei seems like, anyway. And when Minako found out Haruka was a girl, she was very disappointed, but if she was a bisexual, I think she probably could care less which gender Haruka was.
Yeah, but I was referring to the manga. ^^; Sorry, I should probably specify that before every post . . . lol . . . .

As for Minako, I'm not certain, but I don't think in the manga she ever had a crush on Haruka? I can't remember, heh.

Anyway, Rei seems to have a serious problem with men and doesn't want to associate with them, so I think she seems pretty lesbian. Ah well.

Oh and . . . wait . . . oh, I don't know. I was going to say something else but I forgot. ^^;

But Rei's personality in PGSM was practically the same as it was in the manga, so the same thing can be applied to both series. Rei doesn't hate men; she just distrusts them. And just because you hate men doesn't mean you like girls, either. It's also possible that Rei just doesn't care about any romance, whether it's heterosexual or homosexual. There is still no way to "act like a lesbian." That is called stereotyping and I hate stereotyping. And even if there is a way to "act like a lesbian", just because you act like something doesn't mean you are that something. Haruka may act like a man, but that doesn't mean she is one, does it?

purplefeltangel · Post by **purplefeltangel** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 6:46 pm

I said that she acts like she could be a lesbian, as in, she hates men, so it's more likely that she's a lesbian than say, Mako. Again, she's probably straight, and I never said that she actually *is* a lesbian. Out of all the inner senshi, however, she seems the most likely to be a lesbian.

Sailorasteroid · Post by **Sailorasteroid** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 8:09 pm

I think the problem is that there is no hate men:lesbian corollation. The lesbians I've known have had more of an indifference to men than a dislike. The ones who complain about men all the time are the ones who say that they can't get one, or the one they have is too lusty/stupid/weak.

But hey, the topic was favorite couples, and if you want to ship Rei and Minako, no one will stop you. But there's nothing in the manga or anime supporting it, so it's entirely your own invention. Rather than searching for proof that it's already been thought of, be proud that you've created an independent idea.

peachvampiress · Post by **peachvampiress** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 8:16 pm

Sailorasteroid

be proud that you've created an independent idea.

He didn't really create that shippy (a new term for relationship I've learned ^_^). I've seen plenty of Rei x Minako fanfics.

Or did I just read your post the wrong way 0__o;

Post by **Tiff** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 9:03 pm

purplefeltangel wrote:I said that she acts like she could be a lesbian, as in, she hates men, so it's more likely that she's a lesbian than say, Mako. Again, she's probably straight, and I never said that she actually *is* a lesbian. Out of all the inner senshi, however, she seems the most likely to be a lesbian.

Being a lesbian does not mean one hates men. It means that one prefers to be with women in a relationship. Come on, that's just stereotypical.

I think the problem is that there is no hate men:lesbian corollation

Exactly. It's utterly stereotypical to assume that all lesbians hate men. Every lesbian I know has more guy friends than girl friends. How can they possibly hate men, fi they prefer their friendship?

Sailorasteroid · Post by **Sailorasteroid** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 9:18 pm

peachvampiress wrote:Sailorasteroid
be proud that you've created an independent idea.
He didn't really create that shippy (a new term for relationship I've learned ^_^). I've seen plenty of Rei x Minako fanfics.

Or did I just read your post the wrong way 0__o;

70% right. It's why I said "independent" and not "original." Purplefelt's not the first to come up with the idea, but the idea is not being given to her by any outside source, from what I'm seeing.

peachvampiress · Post by **peachvampiress** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 9:33 pm

Sailorasteroid

70% right. It's why I said "independent" and not "original." Purplefelt's not the first to come up with the idea, but the idea is not being given to her by any outside source, from what I'm seeing.

Ahhh, okay, for some reason I though independant=his own made up idea. Cool, I got 70%, better than I thought I'd do ^___^

purplefeltangel Okay, so if Rei's dad was American and abandoned her and all that past story crap and she ended up hating Americans,would that make her racist? It'd just mean that she was hurt by someone from a particular group and she doesn't trust them because she's damaged. She doesn't trust men because one hurt her badly.

I said that she acts like she could be a lesbian, as in, she hates men, so it's more likely that she's a lesbian than say, Mako.

I so am not seeing that. If we're going by who seems more like a lesbian, it would definately be Mako because she's a bit butch (you wouldn't believe how many guys at my school have said this -_-) and their is of course the whole episode with Haruka and the scarf which makes her a better candidate than Rei. (I of course believe none of this, but I'm just trying to make a point :p)