Question about Optimum's role in Sailor Moon dub

HighC · Post by **HighC** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 6:42 pm

I am just curious what was Optimum's role in dubbing Sailor Moon? I understand they employed the voice actors and the actual voice dubbing took there. Hence the fact that the same voice actress who did Zoycite and Emerald also did Kaorinite. And the Mina from S and SuperS voiced Raye for the final 17 episodes of R. Was there anything else they did? What was Dic and Cloverway's jobs?

Aya Reiko · Post by **Aya Reiko** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:14 pm

Optimum: All dub work, including casting, "translating", and editing. Music changes was probably thiers too.
Cloverway and DiC: Distribution. They were in charge of getting it to TV and home video (VHS and later DVD).

(Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.)

HighC · Post by **HighC** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:16 pm

so basically all the Dic/Cloverway bashing should be applied to Optimum?

Aya Reiko · Post by **Aya Reiko** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 3:25 am

HighC wrote:so basically all the Dic/Cloverway bashing should be applied to Optimum?

Probably. But all your venom should be directed at Nicole Thuault, the person in charge of the dubbing operation... and who doesn't speak a lick of English herself ( http://www.smuncensored.com/editorial.php?article=11 ).

BTW, are they even in business anymore? The only other things listed in the company credits (in ANN) are from Toei's failed adventure from a few years back. And apparently their website doesn't look updated in a while: http://moon-chase.blogspot.com/2007/11/ ... tions.html Edit#2-- I'm fairly certain Optimum and its successor Firmin are both dead. The dead giveaway is the copyright date on the front page. Active companies like CBS, WWE, and Wal-Mart all have a copyright date of 2008 at the bottom of their front pages. Optimum's copyright date is 2001 and Firmin's is 2005. No company in the business they're in would let that date slip like that.

Edit--

Nicole should never allowed to work in the business ever again...

“[The changing of Haruka and Michiru's relationship] is all being done in accordance to the rules of the CRTC,” says Nicole Thuault, who works for Optimum Productions.

“We have no specific codes or rules that say it is inappropriate to air gay and lesbian content on a children’s show.” - A puzzled CRTC media spokesperson

Source: http://archives.xtra.ca/Story.aspx?s=1409570

So, not only was the person in charge of the English dub did not speak a word of English, but also it was probably her decision to make all the changes, including the "cousins".

HighC · Post by **HighC** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:26 pm

The second article has some questionable content

Sailor Moon, originally a Japanese cartoon that aired for five seasons, features an all female team of heroes called “sailor scouts.

Sailor Senshi dammit. They only sale cookies in the dub

They wear short skirts and attend private schools.

Only Rei attends a private school.

Thuault claims that if she had her way, she would keep the original Japanese concepts, but the company’s aim is to make a product that is suitable for children.

You know she may be lying out her ass but the realationship was up in the air until about episode 5 of S.

A CRTC media spokesperson is puzzled. “We have no specific codes or rules that say it is inappropriate to air gay and lesbian content on a children’s show.” She refused to allow her name to be used for this story.

For some reason I call bullshit I doubt that the FCC/CRTC whatever are okay with gay relationships on kids shows.

The Japanese version even subtly portrays lesbian parenting. Uranus and Neptune help raise a young Saturn. (Saturn does not grow up to become a lesbian, although she once tries to annihilate the universe.)

Why the hell do we need to be assured that Saturn does not become a lesbian? And when did she ever try to annihalate the universe and what does that have to do with being a lesbian?

One thing North American fans won’t be seeing is the fifth season. Those episodes feature the Sailor Starlights, a group of gender hopping scouts. Starfighter, the female leader, even develops a very questionnable relationship with Sailor Moon.

Senshi Senshi Senshi. And questionable relationship? Is the person who wrote that article a homophobe?

Aya Reiko · Post by **Aya Reiko** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 5:24 am

However, FCC/CRTC have no actual rules in regards to relationships in media.

Plus the article was written for the average viewer more familiar with the dub, not the diehard sub-fan.

Cardcaptor Takato · Post by **Cardcaptor Takato** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 5:05 pm

Doesn't the Canadian kid's cartoon, Braceface, have a gay character on the show? And I thought cable networks didn't have to comply with FCC regulations anyway?

bushinoki · Post by **bushinoki** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 5:44 pm

Cable Networks have to abide by FCC regs, they're just subject to a slightly different set of regs, determined by the fact that it is a luxury option to have cable, and any cable box now rented is by law equipped with V-chip technology. Hell, my TV has a vchip, my playstation 2 has one, and some of the last generation of VHS players have one. However that wasn't the case 15 years ago when Optimum had something to do with the Dub. FCC regs for Cable Networks (excluding premium/ppv channels) were almost exactly the same, so the whole "we're abiding by the regs line" is crap. If the regs did not include anything against homosexual relationships then the only reason to change such things was fear of the 700 Club.

HighC · Post by **HighC** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 10:54 pm

I'm slow, what's the 700 club?

NameGoesHere · Post by **NameGoesHere** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 6:34 am

The 700 Club is a pretend news program made exclusively for the small sect of Christians that believe Pat Robertson is a competent religious leader.

bushinoki · Post by **bushinoki** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 4:31 pm

I wouldn't say that the sect is that small, close to a third of the US agree with the 700 Club. So when Pat Robertson says to not let your kids watch something, it's not long before the John Hagees and such start saying something, and then most of your conservative christian leadership is saying something, and a third of the country blocks out a perfectly good show simply because of the hatred of those higher ups. As for John Hagee, he's pretty famous to those who are/were in Conservative Christian churches, but not so much outside that circle.

Edit to summarize: Basically, any fear of the 700 club is actually legit, especially considering the noise that was made about the religious imagery that couldn't be edited out in the dub.

Post by **Tiff** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 6:00 pm

ADMIN MODE:

Please get back on topic. The question was answered, no need to get into a debate about the 700 club.