Revival...old VA's yea or ney?

Gamer8585 · Post by **Gamer8585** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 9:31 pm

With the very real possibility of Sailor Moon making a comeback internationally there is a good possibility that an unedited dub will be created. That got me thinking...would you prefer if the original VA's reprized their roles, or would you prefer a whole new cast?

Personally I'd like to see as many return as possible, but that's probably out of some misguided nostalgia. For Sailor Moon herself though I would be torn between her 1st and 2nd VA (Tracey Moore and Terri Hawkes respectively). I think Moore did a better job as Usagi, but Hawkes' voice is the one I associate most with NA-Dub Sailor Moon since she was in the most episodes.

Edit: I just wanted to share the realization that brining Sailor Moon back to life is so appropriate its ironic.

Senshi_of_Vision · Post by **Senshi_of_Vision** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 9:41 pm

Im kinda unsure at this point im still excited over the possibilities of the show being brought back to life. But if they did do a redub I think I prefer Terri Hawkes as well I would just hope for everyones sake that the lines were done better cause it wasnt the voices that drove me nuts well save Pluto it was mostly the dialogue rewrites that drove me mad.

Cardcaptor Takato · Post by **Cardcaptor Takato** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 10:36 pm

If they re-release Sailor Moon in the U.S. uncut and re-dub it, I want to see brand-new VAs. If it's a re-dub, I think it should have no influence of the original dub at all. When Disney re-dubbed Nausicaa uncut, they wanted to forget that awful Warriors Of The Wind dub ever happened and they gave the movie a pretty high-quality release. I think the same treatment should be given to Sailor Moon. Not that they have to use celebrity actors or anything but I think they should pretend that any new dub would be separate from the old dub. Also, just because you use the old VAs doesn't mean they'll sound the same as before. Sometimes when a VA hasn't played a character in years they'll lose touch of how to perform that character and they just sound even worse than before. Like in DBZ, when Funi switched Vegeta's VA, it wasn't as good as his Ocean VA but it wasn't too bad at the time either. But when they went back and re-dubbed the uncut version of DBZ season one recently after years of not dubbing any DBZ, his voice sounded horrendously hoarse and unemotional. I don't want to see the same thing happen to Sailor Moon.

And if a re-dub is going to be truly uncut, they should place better care in choosing VAs that fit the characters rather than trying to reimagine the voices any way they feel like like what DiC did. Many of the old DiC dub VAs sounded inappropriate for the characters, like Luna's granny voice or Amy's forced British accent and others were just average at best. Also, I think the Sailor Moon English VAs sound far too out of date to me. They were decent for the time period the series was dubbed in, but dubs have improved a lot in years and there's a much larger demand for high-quality dubs these days than before. With so many new and talented VAs out there, I think they should be given a chance to show their worth and just recycling all the old VAs for something that's supposed to be a clean slate would just feel cheap to me.

StarFlame Soldier · Post by **StarFlame Soldier** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 6:09 am

I have to agree with the new VAs idea.

For me, the voices (as well as the quality of translation) make the show and that is why SM Classic dub, Classic Japanese (I love both) and SM Super dub (as much as I like to pretend it doesn't exist) are all different shows to me.

I love the original dub because it was a first love of my childhood, but I have realized that you can't bring these things back and trying to usually results in ruining the memories.

That said, if a new dub was made it would be a different show again.

Jusenkyo no Pikachu · Post by **Jusenkyo no Pikachu** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 7:30 am

So no more

PLUTO DEADLY SCREAM!!!!

right?

We need a new cast. I'm sure over 90 million fans would agree, and they can't be wrong.

Jeff · Post by **Jeff** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 8:28 am

The VAs were one of the worst things about the dub... so, nay to re-casting them. I'm sure it wouldn't be feasible anyway, CWI couldn't even get them all together only 2 years after the dubbed episodes that preceded its own.

A lot of people hated Luna's voice, but Artemis really bothered me too. Something just seemed way off, in the earlier episodes he sounded almost like Chef from South Park. Gosh, I forgot how bad some of them were. CWI's Amy was sooo baaad. I don't understand how people in the business of voice acting could sound worse than any normal person picked off the street. I think at least half of them were heavy smokers or something.

Although, I wouldn't mind the actress who played Zoicite, Emerald, and Kaorinite returning. She had the alpha-female act down pat.

Chibisteven · Post by **Chibisteven** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 4:11 pm

We need new voice actors. Enough said. We know the whole English version of the dub needs to be redone the right way. The right actors, original music and sound effects from the Japanese version (possibley done in Stereo for modern standards), and completely UNCUT and with all 200 episodes. And digitally remastered subtitled version (where they use actual masters from the Toei.

The old dub goes bye-bye in yesterday's bin.

<-------- Has very high standards.

Neon Heart · Post by **Neon Heart** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 9:17 pm

How about we get voice actors who can actually play the parts, and play them well, this time??

Post by **Tiff** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 9:25 pm

Neon Heart wrote:How about we get voice actors who can actually play the parts, and play them well, this time??

Come, now. You're using logic. You should know better than that.

Neon Heart · Post by **Neon Heart** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 9:26 pm

Tiff wrote:
Neon Heart wrote:How about we get voice actors who can actually play the parts, and play them well, this time??
Come, now. You're using logic. You should know better than that.

I r epic phail........

Passions55 · Post by **Passions55** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:23 pm

hmm, I didn't mind Terri Hawks as Usagi. In fact I liked her better than the first voice and third voice they got for her. She actually sounded like she was trying hard to make her character her own with out imitating the previous actress. My biggest gripe with Terri Hawks performance was her retarded sounding "Waa-aaa-aaaaaaaah" screams. And Sometimes she sounded way to valley girl, but I partly place blame for that with the writers tweaking the dialog so that the characters on Sailor Moon sounded like extras from the clueless movie.

But even though I liked Terri Hawks I would like to have a whole new voice cast to voice the characters, and for their acting skills to be better.

peachvampiress · Post by **peachvampiress** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:43 pm

I'd be more concerned about getting a good voice director (maybe this time one that can actually speak English -_-). I thought some of the VA's would have been good if they just delivered their lines better, or stopped trying to make their voices squeaky. Even if you got good VAs, it might still suck if the voice director's crap (or can't speak the same language as the actors -_____-).

Although I'd still want Sugar to come back as the voice of Chibi-Usa. Not only because she was good, but because it'd probably be really hard to find another actor to do her voice and sound good.

Post by **Tiff** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:45 pm

peachvampiress wrote:I'd be more concerned about getting a good voice director (maybe this time one that can actually speak English -_-). I thought some of the VA's would have been good if they just delivered their lines better, or stopped trying to make their voices squeaky. Even if you got good VAs, it might still suck if the voice director's crap (or can't speak the same language as the actors -_____-).

Although I'd still want Sugar to come back as the voice of Chibi-Usa. Not only because she was good, but because it'd probably be really hard to find another actor to do her voice and sound good.

THAT'S the ticket. Some of these VAs were talented at voice acting..they just SUCKED at nailing the character. Which, sadly, happens a lot in dubbed anime, becuase they're thrown a script and told the most BASIC information about the char, then expected to perform.

And yes, Sugar is the ULTIMATE dubbed chibiusa.

Gamer8585 · Post by **Gamer8585** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 11:24 am

Tiff wrote:
peachvampiress wrote:I'd be more concerned about getting a good voice director (maybe this time one that can actually speak English -_-). I thought some of the VA's would have been good if they just delivered their lines better, or stopped trying to make their voices squeaky. Even if you got good VAs, it might still suck if the voice director's crap (or can't speak the same language as the actors -_____-).
THAT'S the ticket. Some of these VAs were talented at voice acting..they just SUCKED at nailing the character. Which, sadly, happens a lot in dubbed anime, becuase they're thrown a script and told the most BASIC information about the char, then expected to perform.

Exactly what I was thinking. A lot of people complain about the voices for the dub, but I've always thought it was more the fault of the writers and directors more than the actors. If you ever try to actually say some of the lines from the dub (which I have, simply to satisfy my own curiosity) you'd be hard pressed to make them work.

Not to mention what the Actors may have been told about the character by the director (I assume it was along the lines of:"Young girls, fight evil with fun, fashion, and love.") Hell, the SDR probably just made the VA's listen to the English theme song, and said: "there's your motivation, now go with it...we're on a time limit."

Remember. even the worlds best chef can't turn Ground Beef into Fillet Mignon.

Personally I wouldn't mind a new cast all that much (provided the parts fit). Its just that on some level I want to see how good the old cast can be if just given a proper script and direction. I kinda feel bad for them, because they have to endure people telling them how much they sucked. In some ways it just kinda violates my sense of fair play.

And, no...I have no idea why I'm getting so worked up over this.

peachvampiress · Post by **peachvampiress** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 9:13 pm

Gamer8585

Personally I wouldn't mind a new cast all that much (provided the parts fit). Its just that on some level I want to see how good the old cast can be if just given a proper script and direction. I kinda feel bad for them, because they have to endure people telling them how much they sucked. In some ways it just kinda violates my sense of fair play.

And, no...I have no idea why I'm getting so worked up over this.

A lot of the voice actors (especially the DIC ones) are Canadian and I've seen them act on other shows up here. It always suprises me to see how amazing most of them are, or how good their voices can actually sound. Susan Roman (Jupiter) suprised me the most. She actually has a deep, but feminine voice. Maybe it a bit too mature for Makoto, but still nice. And she can act T__T

NameGoesHere · Post by **NameGoesHere** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 11:33 pm

New actors, experienced voice director, and script writers that won't try to modernize/westernize any of the dialogue. (Like, I totally lost my iPod, Sailor Moon! I had all my Fall Out Boy songs on there!)

Some of the original DUB VA's were good, but they got placed in roles that didn't fit them. The VA for Helios had a nice voice (IMO), but having him play that role made everything sound weird.