Popularity of seasons and characters...

Rainbow · Post by **Rainbow** » Thu Nov 27, 2003 3:45 pm

On the Google Directory, there are more Sailor Saturn shrines than there are for any other character. I think Hotaru's definitely the most popular character on Sailor Moon.

(hugs Taiki and Chibi-Usa-sama...don't worry, you two will take over the world one day...

)

And yes, I'm kidding about the Taikster and Chibi-Usa-sama taking over the world.

SuperS I would like more if the darn villains weren't so disturbing...the methods of the Amazon Trio seem like a metaphor for sexual abuse to me.

RoastedTwinkies · Post by **RoastedTwinkies** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 10:09 pm

I'd probably say that Stars is the most popular series because of the relationships between the senshi and the starlights.

Post by **Tiff** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 12:19 am

RoastedTwinkies: Please read all of the posts. I made a post concerning NOT posting which senshi/season is YOUR favorite. Please edit your post, or it will be deleted.

Neo Dead Moon · Post by **Neo Dead Moon** » Tue Dec 30, 2003 12:26 pm

Dinozore wrote:As far as Outers go, Haruka seems to have a lot of fans and I don't know the hell why...

I want to know why, too: it's not like Ogata Megumi has some uber-huge fan base or something. Plus, we already have a "tomboy" in the BSSM universe. Do we honestly need another one, except slightly older, stronger, less likable, rides a motorcycle and a car, flirts with virtually everyone in the same gender she is (save Ami), is far less attractive (imo), and has an incredibly bland love interest? After Ami, Usagi, and Hotaru, Haruka & Michiru seem to be the most popular, and are the main reason why the S and Stars seasons are the most popular seasons (though I like SuperS better than both of these seasons =D). Still, I'll never understand the popularity of these two: "mature, incredibly cool" lesbians is something the BSSM universe could do without.

Stephen Victor · Post by **Stephen Victor** » Tue Dec 30, 2003 1:03 pm

Neo Dead Moon wrote: I want to know why, too: it's not like Ogata Megumi has some uber-huge fan base or something. Plus, we already have a "tomboy" in the BSSM universe. Do we honestly need another one, except slightly older, stronger, less likable, rides a motorcycle and a car, flirts with virtually everyone in the same gender she is (save Ami), is far less attractive (imo), and has an incredibly bland love interest? After Ami, Usagi, and Hotaru, Haruka & Michiru seem to be the most popular, and are the main reason why the S and Stars seasons are the most popular seasons (though I like SuperS better than both of these seasons =D). Still, I'll never understand the popularity of these two: "mature, incredibly cool" lesbians is something the BSSM universe could do without.

Yes ... even though Haruka is incredibly popular, I'm personally not that big a fan of her. I don't know ... she's just all outgoing, cool and athletic and I don't really like characters like that much. I do love Michiru, though. As for the popularity of S and Stars, while I think S is really good I don't care for Stars much. I mean, there are still things I like about it, but overall it's probably my least favorite season. From what I've seen of SuperS (eps 128-132 and 146-151) I prefer it to Stars.

Though, is Michiru really that popular? I see a lot of people who dislike her because they either think she's too perfect or that she just stands in Haruka's shadow and doesn't have a personality of her own.

LadyFlameSniper · Post by **LadyFlameSniper** » Tue Dec 30, 2003 7:37 pm

Neo Dead Moon wrote:
Dinozore wrote:As far as Outers go, Haruka seems to have a lot of fans and I don't know the hell why...
I want to know why, too: it's not like Ogata Megumi has some uber-huge fan base or something. Plus, we already have a "tomboy" in the BSSM universe. Do we honestly need another one, except slightly older, stronger, less likable, rides a motorcycle and a car, flirts with virtually everyone in the same gender she is (save Ami), is far less attractive (imo), and has an incredibly bland love interest? After Ami, Usagi, and Hotaru, Haruka & Michiru seem to be the most popular, and are the main reason why the S and Stars seasons are the most popular seasons (though I like SuperS better than both of these seasons =D). Still, I'll never understand the popularity of these two: "mature, incredibly cool" lesbians is something the BSSM universe could do without.

I don't really consider Mako a tomboy. I'm assuming she's the other tomboy you were reffering to. Sure she's tough, and got into a lot of fights, but she tries hard to be more feminine, and she's sensitive about it too. Tomboys (like Haruka) usually could care less about that stuff. Mako also does some "girly" things such as cooking, cleaning, ice skating (in the anime anyway). Not to mention she's boy crazy.

And I'm a fan of Haruka so I can give my personal reasons why I like her. I'm sure other people have some of the same reasons. First of all, I usually love "tough girl" characters in anime. Haruka is probably the one senshi I can't relate to at all really, but i like her attitude towards things, and how she takes charge. I also admire her strong dedication to her missions. I like the fact she's someone on the good side with an edge. It would be boring if all of the senshi were like Usagi and the inners. The fact she and Michiru fight differently made things more interesting. Especially the conflicts that came out of it in S. And I also think she's very attractive, especially in the manga. Whether she's dressed as a guy or a girl.

Neo Dead Moon · Post by **Neo Dead Moon** » Wed Dec 31, 2003 11:19 am

LadyFlameSniper wrote:
Neo Dead Moon wrote:
Dinozore wrote:As far as Outers go, Haruka seems to have a lot of fans and I don't know the hell why...
I want to know why, too: it's not like Ogata Megumi has some uber-huge fan base or something. Plus, we already have a "tomboy" in the BSSM universe. Do we honestly need another one, except slightly older, stronger, less likable, rides a motorcycle and a car, flirts with virtually everyone in the same gender she is (save Ami), is far less attractive (imo), and has an incredibly bland love interest? After Ami, Usagi, and Hotaru, Haruka & Michiru seem to be the most popular, and are the main reason why the S and Stars seasons are the most popular seasons (though I like SuperS better than both of these seasons =D). Still, I'll never understand the popularity of these two: "mature, incredibly cool" lesbians is something the BSSM universe could do without.

I don't really consider Mako a tomboy.

I don't think she is, either. That's why I put quotes around the word "tomboy".

Rainbow · Post by **Rainbow** » Wed Dec 31, 2003 11:43 am

I certainly agree. Makoto is a typical anime "tomboy" who is tough on the outside but on the inside just wants to be a stereotypical girl. Haruka is popular because she DOESN'T care what the patriarchy thinks (and that's one of the reasons I like her too). She's also rather unique to Americans who don't see too many lesbian characters anyway. I actually think all four Outer Senshi are pretty popular, Hotaru being the most of course.

Post by **Tiff** » Wed Dec 31, 2003 12:13 pm

Neo Dead Moon wrote: I want to know why, too: it's not like Ogata Megumi has some uber-huge fan base or something. Plus, we already have a "tomboy" in the BSSM universe. Do we honestly need another one, except slightly older, stronger, less likable, rides a motorcycle and a car, flirts with virtually everyone in the same gender she is (save Ami), is far less attractive (imo), and has an incredibly bland love interest? After Ami, Usagi, and Hotaru, Haruka & Michiru seem to be the most popular, and are the main reason why the S and Stars seasons are the most popular seasons (though I like SuperS better than both of these seasons =D). Still, I'll never understand the popularity of these two: "mature, incredibly cool" lesbians is something the BSSM universe could do without.

1) Ogata Megumi may have nothing to do with it. I personally love her voice in ANY character she does, but a lot of people like Haruka becuase of the character's personality.
2) o_O; Makoto and Haruka are two COMPLETELY different characters. Putting them both into one flat category such as "Tomboy" would be ridiculous.
3) that's YOUR opinion of Haruka (the unattractiveness, the bland love interest, etc), but obviously since she's a very popular character, there ARE people out there who like her.
4) the lesbian bit at the end is a tad out of line there, Neo Dead Moon. you really ought to think about how to express your opinions without turning it into something nasty.

You and Dinozore don't know why people like Haruka? Let me give you MY reasons why:
She's outgoing, something a lot of us are afraid to be, or something a lot of us relate to. She's bold but yet has a lot of fears. Some of us know what it's like to keep your fears inside becuase you don't know how to express them. She's extremely dedicated; I admire that. She has a temper, something I myself have and again, can relate to. This temper often makes her decide things poorly, which is a flaw that I myself carry. She's charming and flirtatious, and I'm a sucker for that, not to mention I am also very flirtatious myself. She loves Michiru like no other, and that's something that makes my heart melt. And, of course, I find her attractive and love her voice actress.

There. Does that help?

This is starting to become a bash-fest, and that's not what it's meant to be. If you're going to present an intelligent argument, then you state the positive WITH the negative, instead of just the negative. I love Haruka's character, but managed to point out at least two negative things about her. But it seems quite a few people here just feel like pointing out the bad.

Neo Dead Moon · Post by **Neo Dead Moon** » Wed Dec 31, 2003 7:06 pm

Yes, it did help.

That's a problem with disliking a popular character like Haruka...if you don't back up your opinions, you're gonna get in trouble. And I'm no better than a flamer in that regard...not only was my opinion ultra-biased, but it had nothing to back it up. Sometimes my opinions go way too far...this is yet another case of my doing so.

Although my opinion of Haruka has not changed, I will keep my suggestions to myself for now on as long as I'm on this forum. The last thing you'd probably one, Tiff, is yet another flamer. I'm sorry.

However, I will say this much: at least Haruka and Michiru aren't yet another couple of Sailor Senshi who aren't all hung up about being goody-goody two shoes.

Post by **Tiff** » Wed Dec 31, 2003 8:44 pm

Neo Dead Moon wrote:Yes, it did help.

That's a problem with disliking a popular character like Haruka...if you don't back up your opinions, you're gonna get in trouble. And I'm no better than a flamer in that regard...not only was my opinion ultra-biased, but it had nothing to back it up. Sometimes my opinions go way too far...this is yet another case of my doing so.

Although my opinion of Haruka has not changed, I will keep my suggestions to myself for now on as long as I'm on this forum. The last thing you'd probably one, Tiff, is yet another flamer. I'm sorry.

However, I will say this much: at least Haruka and Michiru aren't yet another couple of Sailor Senshi who aren't all hung up about being goody-goody two shoes.

Ah, you're misunderstanding, hun. I'm not asking you to keep your suggestions and opinions yourself, certainly not! With ANY opinion, whether it's about a popular character or not, on this forum you should back it up or try to present the negative with the positive. Sometimes you can't, but if there's an opportunity that you can, then take it. Please don't feel like your thoughts aren't welcome here.

Rainbow · Post by **Rainbow** » Wed Dec 31, 2003 9:08 pm

Tiff wrote:
Neo Dead Moon wrote:Yes, it did help.

That's a problem with disliking a popular character like Haruka...if you don't back up your opinions, you're gonna get in trouble. And I'm no better than a flamer in that regard...not only was my opinion ultra-biased, but it had nothing to back it up. Sometimes my opinions go way too far...this is yet another case of my doing so.

Although my opinion of Haruka has not changed, I will keep my suggestions to myself for now on as long as I'm on this forum. The last thing you'd probably one, Tiff, is yet another flamer. I'm sorry.

However, I will say this much: at least Haruka and Michiru aren't yet another couple of Sailor Senshi who aren't all hung up about being goody-goody two shoes.
Ah, you're misunderstanding, hun. I'm not asking you to keep your suggestions and opinions yourself, certainly not! With ANY opinion, whether it's about a popular character or not, on this forum you should back it up or try to present the negative with the positive. Sometimes you can't, but if there's an opportunity that you can, then take it. Please don't feel like your thoughts aren't welcome here.

Tiff's right, it's okay to express your opinions here. That's what forums are for. She just wants opinions to be expressed calmly and with good reasons behind them. An example would be if I said
"I HATE SEIYA AND IT MUST DIE!!"
versus
"I dislike Seiya for being the stereotypical "cool guy", but he/she did cheer up Usagi and he/she is a good singer, which matters to a musical person like me."

In the first one I just stated a biased opinion with no reasons, but in the second one I stated a REASON for disliking him/her and also mentioned some good things about him/her.

(I'm sorry if that sounded condescending or arrogant, I was just trying to help)

Back on topic:
I wonder who the favorite Senshi is in other countries besides Japan and the USA?

The Moonie · Post by **The Moonie** » Thu Jan 08, 2004 1:59 pm

Haruka is my fav senshi and i'm from the UK. Sheis just so cool.I mean every time she enters theres a freeze frame with cherry blossom.

Rainbow · Post by **Rainbow** » Thu Jan 08, 2004 2:43 pm

Hello, The Moonie. It's nice that you like Haruka and her cherry blossom freeze frame, but that should go in the "favorite/least favorite Senshi" topic. I'm warning you now because Tiff's already scolded people for talking about their favorites in this topic. This is about which Senshi are favored/hated by the majority of fans, not just you.

Tempest · Post by **Tempest** » Thu Jan 08, 2004 4:32 pm

Rainbow is correct. This isn't the topic for you to display your favorite characters.
http://www.smuncensored.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=393

The Moonie · Post by **The Moonie** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 3:47 pm

Whoops didn't see that sorry.