Would you watch a re done version of Sailor Moon?

Neon Heart · Post by **Neon Heart** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:46 pm

Butterscotch wrote:I...a new anime based on the manga would be considerably shorter than the current anime. Then again, that could be a good thing. ^^;

Sometimes you don't need 40-some episodes to tell a story. A kind of Sailor Moon mini-series that aired once a week would be cool. Then if there was a cliffhanger, you'd have to wait a whole week to see what happens. *ARGH* The suspense!!!

Senshi_of_Vision · Post by **Senshi_of_Vision** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:59 pm

I agree with you Neon spacing it out didnt do the original the justice it deserved in my opinion. A weekly cliffhanger would be awesome to I think that would bring in even more viewers because they would watch just to see what happened next.

Lightweight · Post by **Lightweight** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 4:54 pm

I would love to see it emulate the art from the manga version, complex as it may be (which I consider so much better than the anime version's). Getting rid of most filler would be great, too. Sometimes I get impatient and would love for a series to get to the frickin' point already.

If I could finance it, I would!

Senshi_of_Vision · Post by **Senshi_of_Vision** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 10:22 pm

Yeah the art work of the manga make the sailors look even more beautiful then their spirits reflect. I just wish there was a way for fans to come up with a bid to get the rights to the series. I am not sure I think I heard it was done before with other series, but I have no clue I think I am going to investigate that. And yeah I know its a heck of a longshot before I start getting bashed but I think if it could happen plenty of fans would contribute to getting the series relaunched. I say relaunched because I dont want to down the anime. Yes the changes are so blantant to the point of aggrivation but it was the anime that brought me to the manga. And while its cute and good for a laugh save the painful Dic cut versions. I just would really like to see Sailor Moon brought to life again using the manga story lines. So that the pretty suited solider could really show her strength.

*edited to correct what I heard it was done before with*

This Side of Paradise · Post by **This Side of Paradise** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 5:48 pm

I don't want to see a re-do of Sailor Moon, as much as I love the series, I don't really want to see another remake of Sailor Moon. Besides we already have PGSM. I wouldn't want to see a another live-action of SM, because the whole ballet-fighting thing on PGSM was very chessy. But if it was drawn as an anime I would be interested, even if it was in raw form on YouTube. But right now I don't think I would have any interest in it.

Senshi_of_Vision · Post by **Senshi_of_Vision** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 8:32 pm

I think if the fans did manage to get their hands on the rights (which yeah i know is about as good as a snowball lasting in hades) that it would be animated. I am sure there are fans of the live action sailormoon but the core fans are still in love with the animated version. I know if I had the means to and could see a re done version it would definately be animated. Animation leaves things open where you cannot do live action without looking weird or power rangersish. I wouldnt even want it to be cgi because some of the newer cartoons in that format look weird though some I guess cause they are based off video games look fine. I dunno I would just like to see the manga storylines covered.

sailorperkytoot123 · Post by **sailorperkytoot123** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 10:48 pm

If it was shorter without filler maybe they could concentrate on the animation of it more and add things like Venus with the love chain around her waiste and same with Jupiter's rose belt thing, and Pluto's time keys (and anything else unique to certain Senshi). Oh, and something totally CRAZY: Sailor Saturn in more action with--get this--HER OWN TRANSFORMATION SEQUENCE! I know! It's crazy talk! Plus, I'd like to see all their other powers like Minako using her other pen and her compact crescent thing for disguises and their Infinity Arc attacks. It'd also be great to see an improved Dream Arc with Uranus, Neptune, Pluto, and Saturn.

Rin · Post by **Rin** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 12:16 am

I would definently see it since I really don't have access to the manga.

Senshi_of_Vision · Post by **Senshi_of_Vision** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 7:43 pm

I dont think Uranus and Neptune come till the Infinity Arc, but it would be nice to see the Dream Arc redone. And have their personalities kept in tact. Im not saying the manga was perfect but alot of people argue that its too short. I think many think my argument was for a straight manga copy and nah even that would get boring. I think they could use the plots from the manga and broaden them better. They could still play upon alot the anime did, give the Dark Kingdom and other villians big roles, but not take from the main characters the way they did in the anime. I loved the Naru/Nephrite story and if they could find a way to keep it, or better yet still have Naru have a chunk of story in a new version id love that to. I just think the storylines of the manga showed the sailors strengths better. I liked how they matured in the story Usagi's own story should have ended better then it did in stars IMO. She still seemed like she was wishy washy in her duties taking on Galaxia and that just wasnt the case in the manga.

And id love to see it done were it could feature Venus's own story before she joined the rest of the Inners. I think Code Name Sailor V definately deserves time in the animated spotlight. Minako's wacky adventures with the dark kingdom and her brushes with love would definately be a must watch for me.

RainbowCrystal · Post by **RainbowCrystal** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 10:18 am

I've never read the manga, but im hoping to get the first book for my birthday.

To be honest, i would like to see Sailor Moon reformed in almost any shape or form (apart from american dubbed, or american live action.)

I wish there was some kind of Anime SKY channel, where they showed anime all the time, IN japanese, with subtitles.

there will probably be some anime channel in america, but since im English, i wont know.

anyway, back on topic. yeah, i think it would be a good idea to do a reformed more manga faithful Sailor Moon.

as we all know, sadly on the Sailor Moon DVD's that are for sale, the producers obviously couldnt be botherd digitaly remastering it, or the sound. so if they did "re-do" Sailor Moon as an manga faithful anime, then i should hope that the quality is substantialy better.

But, then again, when Sailor Moon first aired, it was a very good anime for 1990's.

Emma

Cardcaptor Takato · Post by **Cardcaptor Takato** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 2:15 pm

Senshi_of_Vision wrote:Yeah the art work of the manga make the sailors look even more beautiful then their spirits reflect. I just wish there was a way for fans to come up with a bid to get the rights to the series. I am not sure I think I heard it was done before with other series, but I have no clue I think I am going to investigate that.

The only similar thing I can think of to that was that when the Evangelion TV series ended in Japan, the fans were very pissed off at the original ending, so they sent a lot of hate mail and even death threats to Gainax demanding a new ending, so eventually Anno created End Of Evangelion to tie up the loose ends the TV series ending didn't but I'm not sure that's what you're looking for here. And to be honest, I wouldn't want to have the fans in total control over Sailor Moon. You'd have all the fans arguing about what should be left in and what shouldn't be and you'd never settle anything. Just look at the hardcore Eva fans. ^^;; But then I was always personally satisfied with the TV series ending to Eva so maybe I'm in the minority?

But I think that because Sailor Moon is Takeuchi's creation, she should be the only one to have a say in what gets adapted in anime format, like with how Warning Bros. had to have Rowling's personal approval first if they wanted to make any changes to the plot of the Harry Potter movies. Besides, television is supposed to be entertainment, not a people-pleaser. Even if fans were to somehow get the rights to it, they'd never be able to please everybody. I'm not saying I wouldn't say no to seeing a remake of Sailor Moon. I could always do with more Sailor Moon. I just don't think it's a good idea to leave it up to the fans since they weren't the ones who created it. But if they were to remake Sailor Moon now, would Sailor Pluto still be counted as a Sailor Soldier since Pluto is no longer a planet?

Rainbow · Post by **Rainbow** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 2:34 pm

Sure, Pluto could still be a Senshi, as long as you included a Sailor Eris, since Eris is bigger than Pluto (so far as I've heard about it). If it's going by the manga, there'd be a Sailor Ceres already, though. Or else there could be a reason why Pluto is included and not the other Kuiper Belt objects, like maybe something special Sailor Pluto did?

Passions55 · Post by **Passions55** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 6:33 pm

Senshi_of_Vision wrote:Yeah the art work of the manga make the sailors look even more beautiful then their spirits reflect. I just wish there was a way for fans to come up with a bid to get the rights to the series. I am not sure I think I heard it was done before with other series, but I have no clue I think I am going to investigate that. And yeah I know its a heck of a long shot before I start getting bashed but I think if it could happen plenty of fans would contribute to getting the series relaunched. I say relaunched because I dont want to down the anime. Yes the changes are so blantant to the point of aggrivation but it was the anime that brought me to the manga. And while its cute and good for a laugh save the painful Dic cut versions. I just would really like to see Sailor Moon brought to life again using the manga story lines. So that the pretty suited solider could really show her strength.

*edited to correct what I heard it was done before with*

actually Senshi_of_Vision a recreation of the same cartoon to fit its comic book story plots is not such a long shot. Because it was done with the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle series. Not many people know this but the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles originated as a comic book series that was grim and violent and was aimed at young adults not children. However I'm sure every one is more familiar with the wacky funny ninja turtles cartoon from the late eighties and early nineties. The thing is about that cartoon is that even though its characters are based off the characters in the original comic books the story and tone and even the portrayal of the turtles characters are completely different from its comic book roots and had its own story plots. Just like the anime of Sailor Moon and the manga.

However as recently as four years ago the creator of the comic book series (Peter Laird) of the Ninja turtles had it revamped in a completely new cartoon series that follows the more serious and darker tone and plot lines of the original comics and original portrayals of the turtles personalities (which isn't cute and cuddly and PC) to fit more of his vision of the turtles. Though at the same time the new cartoon of the ninja turtles has its own original twists and turns of the story while still remaining pretty faithful to the comic book adaption. (well most the cartoon any way. It can't be as violent as the original comics where).

People may not know this but, like Rie/Sailor Mars from Sailor moon, Raphael the turtle had a very different personality in the comics than what he had in the early 90's cartoon show. In the comics he was very violent and temperamental and border line psychotic while in battle, and in the 90's cartoon he was a sarcastic wise guy. However in the new present cartoon Raphael's personality is closer his comics portrayal with a bad temper and tough guy persona that has violent outburst. Rei/Sailor Mars and Raphael shared very similar fates in their transition from comic book to cartoon. Both their persona lites where completely changed around and turned into different people very different from the portrayals in the comic.

So yes Senshi_of_Vision a revamped version of a cartoon that's already been done to fits its comic book origins is not unheard of and can be done. So its not so desperately impossible to think that a revamped anime of Sailor Moon that is closer the manga plot lines and characters portrayals can never be done. However, the case of the ninja turtles the creator him self (Peter Laird) went ahead and decided to get the show revamped to fit his comic book version. I think it would be the same way with Sailor Moon. The creator her self would have to go ahead and do this change not a fan. Also one thing that you need to consider is how the fans will react to a redone version of Sailor Moon. Will the loyalists to the Toei anime even give the new manga based anime a chance? Or would they trash it and instantly hate it with out giving it chance because its different from what they grew up with. The New series of the ninja turtles has had this problem with the fans of the original cartoon and its under went a lot of criticism and many fans rarely give it a chance. So there is all of that to consider if the show was revamped.

Senshi_of_Vision · Post by **Senshi_of_Vision** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 2:13 pm

it is true I am thinking in fans mentality when I say the fans get the rights and ive seen some rabid fans lol (I remember the old messageboards on this site and the flamers alone scared me) I do think fan influence could help the series alot but I know that ultimately Mrs. Takeuchi would be best in giving the what goes my whole feeling on it is that she really has no true power in whats going on anyway. Id just like it if fans could help get the show where she originally wanted it my site where basically all I do is rant about it is just my dream to see the series done in Naoko's vision and your right Passions I forgot all about TMNT but there are other shows which due to fan influence have had revamps relaunches. Hell theres a new batman series every couple of years. I think with more support for the series anything is possible. I would just like to see a more mature well rounded story animated one day.

Passions55 · Post by **Passions55** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:07 pm

well I remember you mentioned that you wouldn't mind some aspects that where orginal to the anime being carried over into a remake of a more manga based anime. What sort of things would that be?

Would you want the bad guys that where fleshed out and turned good in the anime to stay bad and be killed off like they where in the manga? By browsing around the intermet I've noticed that a strong complaint in the Sailor Moon fandom is that Naoko Takeuchi's villans in the manga where to bland and two deminsional, that that the anime made the villan more human like and even sympathatic.

Also in this version since Rie would be more like her manga self who is cool headed and stoic with no boy infatuation, would you still like a character like Chad (sorry I don't know his japanese name) to be included that would crush on her? Or do you think a more manga based Rie would do poorly if the had a character like chad crushing on her?

artemis_is_my_dawg · Post by **artemis_is_my_dawg** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:57 pm

I think it's a great idea, because the manga was much better. I liked the anime, but it would be so great to see the manga jump to life - the way it was meant to be!
I also think there should be one for the Sailor V series, too.

Senshi_of_Vision · Post by **Senshi_of_Vision** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:23 pm

Well Passions I think it depends on everyones tastes, I for one like the villians in the manga sure some of them died earlier but here are some differences I liked in the manga better then the anime or semi liked.

For the first series the dark kingdom even though Kundzite, Zorcite, Nephrite, and Jadeite get bigger parts which I loved, their origins lacked substance compared to the manga in my opinion. I liked the flashbacks to the old earth where there was some light flirting and where they showed more of the conflict the people of earth felt concerning their then allies the moon kingdom. I love how Beryl's character which by the anime had me thinking she was a mean old hag pawn of Metallia, actually having a tender side and her unrequited love for Endymion is tragic and made me love her character instead of thinking of her as a useless villian who deserved to be killed.

For R the blackmoon family im torn I liked the fact that the four sisters had more development but I could give or take that to see Prince Demando in his true form and Wiseman in his. To me that love sick puppy prince diamond still irks me compared to the spoiled obsessive male that almost annihilated the future crystal tokyo. And wiseman is still to me the most scariest of all SM villians and the whole dealing with his origins and the blackmoon seemed more fleshed out to me.

For the time arc I have to say I do not like the way the Witches 5 were potrayed I mean why even keep the name witches (not in the dub I know) if they were not even going to touch on the occult aspects. I like the manga version of Tomoe's character more, sure the anime funny guy was fun to laugh at but I like my villians sinister and the Tomoe of the manga was that. A mad scientist who went crazy with power wanted to create his own versions of life and become a god. Used his child in experiments and basically lost all sense of true humanity. The anime played upon the villians ability to be redeemed and I do not mind that if neccessary but alot of people argue about them being killed off and if they are as nasty as the manga makes them out to be in my thoughts they deserve to be off.

Now for the dream arc series I could go on and on I really do not like that series I hate the fillers and think the manga was way better save the fact that Fisheye, Tigerseye and Hawkseye had better fuller roles. To me letting Nehelina's real story plot be changed then dragged out to the stars series blew big time and the amazoness quartets true origins were never even brought to the anime which sucks. They just help the senshi and fade away and those girls were much more then that in the manga. To me to see them in their true forms would have been better then the whole chasing mirrors by the the above three. Im sure rabid fans may disagree but thats the way I feel about that series.

As for stars and I hate to spoil it for those who have not gotten that far so from this point it will be in spoiler form just in case.

[spoiler]To me a huge problem with Stars was the basic wussing of the animates, the senshi as they were turned against sailormoon and blantantly making Galaxia's story line so mixed up that it was hard to tell if she really was a bad guy at all. When in the manga I felt her eventual being taking over by the chaos she sealed inside her more plausable, and while she was mean as hell she was still beautiful right up to the end. By taking away the truly evil Galaxia it tainted Sailormoons ending to me, her ultimate sacrifice to right all the wrongs by giving her life to purify the place stars were born. As for the animates they got their jobs done in the manga and killed the senshi abit more methodically to me. I didnt like the bumbling comical side to them in the anime in fact it aggrivated me cause I read the stars manga before I finished dl the fansubs for the series so it ruined it for me.[/spoiler]

So basically in a nutshell if they could find a way to balance out the true "villany" of the SM villians yet retain their full story lines id love to see it. But to me I think alot of people still base their aguements because the manga is much more fast paced the the anime unless you read it really slow. To me I think a medium could be found as long as the kept the characters core personalities in check. Instead of nicing up the bad guys make them their cold sadistic selfs and show that no matter how strong they get the senshi and their leader Sailormoon can handle and take them down if neccessary. And sure alot of them died but the tragedy behind some deaths made their stories even more interesting to me. The four Generals of the Dark kingdom(Im sick of trying to figure out what to call them) were so tradgic to me in the story. I mean come on they get reborn into the future to and want to find and protect their prince only to realize their souls are bound to the dark kingdom threw a curse, they end up dying off again instead their souls forever trapped in stones. To me that is much better then them just being killed off by the senshi or their own incompetence in the anime.
And add to the fact that their spirits return in the dream arc to give advice and help to Endymion now Mamoru/Tuexdo Kamen. I just love it all and wish their was a way to see it all animate.

As for the Rei issue ive given myself migranes about her, I just blantanly hate all changes made to her and her alt sailor mars. I am unsure about *chad* I think it would add some banter like what you see between her and Sailor venus, also give more story backround to the shrine and her grandpa (who was way cuter in the manga had hair and everything) but he really isnt needed. Her love interest or brief brush in the short story about her is much better. Id rather see an episode with Mr. Kaido and how he broke her heart then chad who the dub couldnt figure out if he was a rock musician or just a drifter. I think a maturer Rei would have touched more on her feelings if she developed any for Chad also Rei was not completely against relationships from what I got from the manga she just didnt want to repeat the mistake her mother had made. Someone like chad who worshiped her would have either impressed or made Rei avoid him. Either way I could truly take or leave his character in favor of seeing Rei's true personality.

Bleh I went on a long tangent sorry but I like to try to answer stuff thoroughly. Im sure some will still not agree that a revamp of the series is even neccessary, but I think if one was done many fans may enjoy it along with the older series.

*Edited to fully answere Passions questions missed the Rei one*

Cardcaptor Takato · Post by **Cardcaptor Takato** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 9:26 am

I don't think it'd be all that difficult for the Sailor Moon anime to be remade to stay closer to the manga. Another example of an anime being remade to stay truer to the source material is Hellsing. When Hellsing was first adapted into a TV series, the anime started off following the manga pretty accurately but about mid-way through the series they had caught up to the manga, so they started to create their own original storyline for the anime and ended up creating their own ending. A lot of fans didn't like how it ended and didn't like the divergence from the manga plot so Geneon has recently started remaking Hellsing as Hellsing Ultimate. What they've been doing is adapting the series as an OVA format and adapting one vol of manga per episode. The episodes are slightly longer than your average TV episode and it might be taking awhile to produce, but the result is that they can retain more material from the manga without the need of having to fit the plot into a 30 min episode, the violence is far more graphic, the animation production values are much higher, and because they're adapting using an OVA format, they don't have to rush the series' production to keep up with the manga. I think if they were to remake Sailor Moon as an OVA series like Hellsing, the pacing of the manga wouldn't be such a big issue. They could adapt one vol per episode and perhaps the higher production values would mean less recycled footage would be used and if Takeuchi was allowed to oversee the production this time, I'd feel more confident in its production and even if such a remake were to make additional plot changes, at least they would have been authorized by Takeuchi this time.

Senshi_of_Vision · Post by **Senshi_of_Vision** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 10:32 pm

Now if that happend CardCaptor Takato Id be one happy camper, I mean everytime I discuss it with other Sailor moon fans who are friends of mine they throw up that the manga is so fast paced, its beyond aggrivating because sure it is your reading it compared to watching it in animated form. I think if the scripts were developed around the core storylines youd get just as meaty of a animated story then most think. Im sure that they wouldnt just rush it and I would hope as well Naoko could be in charge of how production and what is ultimately used to redo a series. But right now im just still hoping that Toei thing is real, I miss seeing the series mainstream period.