Sailor Moon and Eudial's Clash (anime analysis)

[Usagi777]

Well first of all--
--It's is clear that when the sailor soldiers transform or do their sequence for their attack, time like stops because nothing has moved after they're done.(i've seen sites in the past that have proven this) But when Eudial had her firebuster she somehow intercepted this time wrinkle and did her own firebuster sequence along with Sailor Moon.

--Then not only that, but Eudial's simple HOMEMADE firebuster machine--made with house hold items in case you guys didn't notice (backed by NO special power) was able to eliminate, break through Moon's power, and shoot on. That's pretty sad if you ask me: for super powers to be faded out by regular fire. However that shows Eudial's genius. Because before you eliminate something you have to know what it's made of and/or what it's weak against. So for her to figure out a way to make a flame fade out a super power shows that she was analyzing Moon's attack closely the whole time and figured out what backed this super power.

--On top of that I think Eudail wanted to be like the sailors SOOOOOOO bad. Because first she monologued like hell (like the sailors) and made her own weapon, then did her own "spin around" sequence (like them) while shouting out her attack's name (like them).

[GeneticMosaic]

I too had wondered what was up with the transformations.. So, Time actually stops? Or does it simply stop for common people? Because Multiple senshi trasform at once I believe...I could be wrong... Do the enemies move as well, I mean, all the enemies besides Eudial?

[jupiter23]

I actually don't think time stops at all, it's just that their transformations really don't have all the flashiness that we see on TV, so it really doesn't take but a second and they are ready to fight.

[Tempest]

I actually don't think time stops at all, it's just that their transformations really don't have all the flashiness that we see on TV, so it really doesn't take but a second and they are ready to fight.

Well, I'm not too sure about that. In the classic series, specifically the episode where Mamoru discovers Usagi is actually Sailor Moon (dubbed version was 'a crystal clear destiny'. I can't clearly remember the Japanese title), it appears that he is watching all the flash. Given the fact that light is cascading off of his face as he's watching the transformation sequence. It's probably not a coreographed or drawn out, just as you say.

[Usagi777]

I actually don't think time stops at all, it's just that their transformations really don't have all the flashiness that we see on TV, so it really doesn't take but a second and they are ready to fight.

Well, I'm not too sure about that. In the classic series, specifically the episode where Mamoru discovers Usagi is actually Sailor Moon (dubbed version was 'a crystal clear destiny'. I can't clearly remember the Japanese title), it appears that he is watching all the flash. Given the fact that light is cascading off of his face as he's watching the transformation sequence. It's probably not a coreographed or drawn out, just as you say.

also remember the fire that was coming down the shaft--the elevator was goin up as the fire was plummeting, but it was as if the fire kept starting over. it wouldve taken that long for the fire to get there

[jupiter23]

That, Mamoru watching Usagi transform I mean, could have just been for dramatic effect. They use that a lot in the show. As for the fire seeming to start over, it was spiralling, remember? That in itself could be ruled an optical illusion.

EDIT: And I thought the elevator had stopped before Zoicite tried to set it on fire, anyway.

[RattleMan]

also remember the fire that was coming down the shaft--the elevator was goin up as the fire was plummeting, but it was as if the fire kept starting over. it wouldve taken that long for the fire to get there

EDIT: Jupiter got it in before me, but here's a wave file proving it:

http://s8.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=30LVX ... N486LBCGDD

Nope, the elevator stopped. Usagi even said "Power outtage?"

I also noticed the gleam off Mamoru's face and was confused with that and the fire racing down...

[peachvampiress]

I've always thought that in reality, their transformations were like Michiru's in the episode where she meets Haruka. It only took a few seconds for the light to cover and transform her. The flashy stuff is just there to make things look cooler and to give us great henshin music.

[jupiter23]

That was pretty much what I was saying. I just didn't think to use that episode as a reference.

[LadyFlameSniper]

I actually don't think time stops at all, it's just that their transformations really don't have all the flashiness that we see on TV, so it really doesn't take but a second and they are ready to fight.

Exactly. There was an episode of Stars where Tuxedo Mask and the outers (or was it the Starlights?) met at night. A shadow from the clouds in the sky casted over them for a SECOND while they were talkin, and next thing you knew they were transformed.

The flashiness of the attacks and transformation are just for the viewer's pleasure. They don't always use the entire stock footage animation of the attacks. Sometimes the stock footage isn't used at all.

[RattleMan]

I actually don't think time stops at all, it's just that their transformations really don't have all the flashiness that we see on TV, so it really doesn't take but a second and they are ready to fight.

Exactly. There was an episode of Stars where Tuxedo Mask and the outers (or was it the Starlights?) met at night. A shadow from the clouds in the sky casted over them for a SECOND while they were talkin, and next thing you knew they were transformed.

The flashiness of the attacks and transformation are just for the viewer's pleasure. They don't always use the entire stock footage animation of the attacks. Sometimes the stock footage isn't used at all.

I'm pretty sure you mean Super (S), and that was Episode 113. I know this because I've recorded a "Studio Library Piece" from that EXACT scene.

[Sailorasteroid]

Exactly. There was an episode of Stars where Tuxedo Mask and the outers (or was it the Starlights?) met at night. A shadow from the clouds in the sky casted over them for a SECOND while they were talkin, and next thing you knew they were transformed.

The outers. And it's from S, episode 113.

[LadyFlameSniper]

^You're right. I have no idea why I was thinking Stars when Mamoru isn't there after the Nehelenia arc

[Luna1986]

This may be another instance of 'dramatic effect' but when chibiusa finds out who the inners are in 'S' by watching thier transformations it seems to take a long time. And when Mamoru transforms in front of Usagi for the first time the same thing happens (I think. Isn't that the only time we see tuxedo kamen's full henshin?). I'll chock it up to plot holes b/c the henshin times seems to range from one end of the spectrum to another.
.....Unless......
You assume that the girls and tux can control their henshin sequence times to adapt to diffrent situations. Come to think of it thier attacks are sometimes very short and sweet. Jupiter seems to do it a lot with 'sparkling wide pressure'. Do they just like to add flash to thier attacks and henshin(s)? Me thinks so.

[RattleMan]

This may be another instance of 'dramatic effect' but when chibiusa finds out who the inners are in 'S'

So many episode confusions ^^;

This is actually from R, Episode 72 "Unmerciful Rubeus! The Four Sisters of Sadness"

[Usagi777]

great point everyone, but now lets discuss the fire buster!!! HOW DID EUDIAL INTERCEPT SPIRAL HEART ATTACK!!! i mean Eudial just used plain old fire against a super moon power and eliminated it! how is that possible!? T_T

[Pipestrell]

I wouldn't say it was necissarily just fire. Remember, Eudial also created that heart removing gun and the device which destroy's Mimette. Those seem to marry science and magic, so why should'nt the Fire Buster?

Also, LadyFlameSniper, you were thinking of the Starlights as there is a scene in Stars where the Outers face the Starlights on a rooftop and a similar, shadowed transformation takes place.

[Usagi777]

I wouldn't say it was necissarily just fire. Remember, Eudial also created that heart removing gun and the device which destroy's Mimette. Those seem to marry science and magic, so why should'nt the Fire Buster?

because the fire buster was made of only household items: a propane tank, a blender, and a vaccuum cleaner attachment!

plus the computer thing wasnt really magic either. it was just a satelite a generator and a computer--all it did was digitize a person into a computer and/or TV

Both inventions were just technological but the Gun Buster was the only magical one.

[Kazuki]

Well anime's not real, so they can bend the rules to fit the situation I guess.

[Jonathan]

Well Eudial herself said that she made it strong enough to eliminate Sailor Moon's attack. It was only patent pending too. That's why Sailor Moon was scared to try it again a second time when they were fighting in the marine cathedral.

When she did do it again, it was worse than the first time because I think Eudial's Fire Buster burned her. Lucky for her those talismen appeared and she got to push Eudial off the tower with the Grail's power. Otherwise, they all would've been done.