Secret Identities--Anime and Manga

Usagi777 · Post by **Usagi777** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 12:02 am

It seems that in the anime people are soooooooooo stupid especially when it comes to Usagis identity--i mean who else has a hairdo like that, plus when Usagi's gone Sailor Moon is there....
Then when they somewhat figure it out they contradict themselves like in the many times Haruka and Usagi figured out who each other were by their quotes and perfumes ^_^ It's almost as if you have to blantantly transform in front of someone for them to figure it out. ---Consider the Usagi's birthday episode---plus anyone could see that Minako's pigtails and costume colors were wrong!! >_<

But in the manga it was almost like everyone knew. The arcade guy knew who all of them were for example. Also Usagi figured out who Uranus was just by matching the face. Also in the Stars manga the evil sailor soldiers even attacked the schoolgirl aliases of the sailors. PLus it's as if they dont try to hide it in the manga. Neptune walked around everywhere with her mirror. PLus in the manga version of the S Movie Usagi straight up told Himeko, the girl astronaut who she was. And Rini also straight up told Hotaru all of her business starting with revealing herself after the rescue in the park. There's many more examples for both categories but this post is big enough ^_^

peachvampiress · Post by **peachvampiress** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 12:51 am

It has to do with convience. Characters find or don't find out the soliders identities to help with the pacing of the show. If the enemies figured it out right away then there would be no story. Plus, since this question has been brought up so many times, I thought the general consensus between fans was that the soliders have a magic aura that protects people from identitfying them.

Characters in the comic figure out the Senshi's identities sooner most likely because Naoko wanted her story to move along that way and possibly reveal something about their personality. Usagi somewhat pays attention to detail if she noticed Haruka and Uranus' faces looked similar. Chibi-usa's naive since she readily revealed her identity. Michiru's mirror looks pretty normal, and unless someone took the time to notice the details on it (like that human design on it), they probably wouldn't think it's the same, small mirror Neptune attacks with.

Naoko probably wanted to move her story along and flesh out her characters this way, while the anime probably wanted to keep their identities from others so that the story would be longer.

Kameko · Post by **Kameko** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 5:45 am

peachvampiress wrote:It has to do with convience. Characters find or don't find out the soliders identities to help with the pacing of the show. If the enemies figured it out right away then there would be no story. Plus, since this question has been brought up so many times, I thought the general consensus between fans was that the soliders have a magic aura that protects people from identitfying them.

It would be nice though if they specifically told you that a magic aura protects or whatever instead of just guessing. And Usagi worries in one episode about Shingo recognizing her. But then again he thought she was Sailor V. Does that look like Sailor V? In Wedding Peach they straight out told you that the love wave protects thier identities.

Cardcaptor Takato · Post by **Cardcaptor Takato** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 10:11 am

Another thing to consider is that Usagi is so clumsy that most of the ordinary people who knew her would think hades would freeze over before Usagi could be a superheroine.

devilmaykickass · Post by **devilmaykickass** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 11:57 am

Cardcaptor Takato wrote:Another thing to consider is that Usagi is so clumsy that most of the ordinary people who knew her would think hades would freeze over before Usagi could be a superheroine.

That was actually brought up once or twice in the first season.

Also in the first season I noticed how they really did well on the building up and second lookings by the senshi at Mamoru/Tuxedo Mask, and considering the possibility that they were the same person...they just didn't really do that sort of thing with the senshi much.

GeneticMosaic · Post by **GeneticMosaic** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 8:33 pm

I always just figured that it just was... Like, when they transform, I'm sure all the visual effects don't happen as far as common people seeing them. So, if they don't see that, how would they see that the senshi are the human forms they are?? But, I still think that they should have explained it. What got me was that Haruka and Michiru were always together and so are Neptune and Uranus... Not to mention they both entered at the same time.. lol... Not to mention, what is the big deal if someone finds out who they really are?? lol

jupiter23 · Post by **jupiter23** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 8:38 pm

Pretty much the same danger that exsits with any superhero...if their enemy knows who the hero really is, then they can attack their families and the people they love to get to them. The same concept is there in Sailor Moon, and if anyone besides me has ever noticed, anyone who finds out who the Senshi really usually end up a Senshi themselves or they end up dead at the end anyway before they can tell anyone.

GeneticMosaic · Post by **GeneticMosaic** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 9:04 pm

I never thought of it that way.. lol... Though, one thing that I HAVE wondered is why the Inner and Outer senshi never told each other who their human forms were... They had to 'discover' it... ya know? I found it puzzling and odd. It seems Neptune and Uranus were intelligent enough, or were they simply conceided??

jupiter23 · Post by **jupiter23** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 9:28 pm

If you paid attention to SMS at all, and I don't mean to sound mean, but if you had paid attention to it at all, then you would have heard the reason. They had different reasons for fighting, and wanted to keep the inner senshi out of it. It had nothing with being conceited. They felt they had a different job to do, and didn't want the inners to get in the middle of it.

GeneticMosaic · Post by **GeneticMosaic** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 9:51 pm

I don't think you are sounding mean. I just meant that did they think that they were so much better that The Inner Senshi would just get in the way? I mean Inner Senshi protect earth, so they should have tried to work together. But I get what you are saying. My opinion is that they should have seen that they were all working for the same main goal. Although COLLECTING the heart crystals was against the senshi's intentions I suppose.. lol

Starscream · Post by **Starscream** » Tue Aug 09, 2005 6:52 am

GeneticMosaic wrote:Although COLLECTING the heart crystals was against the senshi's intentions I suppose.. lol

That's exactly it. The Outer Senshi were willing to sacrifice the people whose heart crystals contained the Talismans, while the Inners did not, and the Outers were not willing to give up their convictions in order to get the additional help. Even AFTER the talismans had been recovered, the Outers felt that the Inners' compassionate attitude while fighting would be a detriment; the last episode shows that they felt Usagi's giving of the chalice to Mistress 9 was a mistake, and it was only through combat and sacrifice that Haruka and Michiru were able to finally realize that the Inners might have had the right mindset to begin with.

Post by **Tiff** » Tue Aug 09, 2005 11:20 pm

-_- If everybody found out about their identities at the beginning of the show, then the villains could also find out, the show would last about 10 episodes, and that'd be the end.

It's not about "the characters were too stupid to notice". It's about "it made a TV SHOW THAT COULD BE SOLD". Come on, it's part of the SHOW. It's magical, it's sparkly, and it's a cartoon. Why can't things ever be left to magical mystery?

And I agree with Starscream about the outers. Dont' even get me started on that XD

Sailorasteroid · Post by **Sailorasteroid** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 7:32 pm

I always got the impression, at the end of R, when the senshi are going to the future, that Naru realized that Usagi was Sailor Moon. It's not definite though.

Kameko · Post by **Kameko** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 7:45 pm

Tiff wrote:It's not about "the characters were too stupid to notice". It's about "it made a TV SHOW THAT COULD BE SOLD". Come on, it's part of the SHOW. It's magical, it's sparkly, and it's a cartoon. Why can't things ever be left to magical mystery?

Because it makes the world more rich to have details like this in there. Besides what's the fun in saying that it makes the TV longer so it sells? It's more fun to think of an in series reason of why they aren't recognized when they are senshi.

Post by **Tiff** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 8:52 pm

Kameko wrote:
Tiff wrote:It's not about "the characters were too stupid to notice". It's about "it made a TV SHOW THAT COULD BE SOLD". Come on, it's part of the SHOW. It's magical, it's sparkly, and it's a cartoon. Why can't things ever be left to magical mystery?
Because it makes the world more rich to have details like this in there. Besides what's the fun in saying that it makes the TV longer so it sells? It's more fun to think of an in series reason of why they aren't recognized when they are senshi.

*shrugs* I think it's more fun to leave some things to mystery, just leave it to the magic of the show. Maybe it's becuase I'm a child at heart.

LadyFlameSniper · Post by **LadyFlameSniper** » Thu Aug 11, 2005 3:11 pm

*shrug* I assumed their magic protected them from being recognized. I mean, Usagi's own brother didn't know she was Sailor Moon.. It didn't work with Fiore in the R movie though. he instantly knew Sailor Moon was Usagi

In the live action, their hair changes color when they transform and they actually look quite different

Usagi777 · Post by **Usagi777** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 3:23 am

LadyFlameSniper wrote:*shrug* I assumed their magic protected them from being recognized. I mean, Usagi's own brother didn't know she was Sailor Moon.. It didn't work with Fiore in the R movie though. he instantly knew Sailor Moon was Usagi

In the live action, their hair changes color when they transform and they actually look quite different

GOOD POINT!! Fiore automatically knew it was Usagi!! How is that? Especially since he had only seen her the previous day and that was the only day he had ever seen her. He's seen Usagi ONCE and knows NOTHING about Sailor Moon, but all of a sudden he just puts 2 and 2 together... >_<

Pipestrell · Post by **Pipestrell** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 10:22 am

I'd taken it that he had been watching Mamoru constantly both before and after approaching him. Under that type of surveillance, both Mamoru and Usagi's other forms wouldn't be hidden for long. Surely he saw her transform if he was keeping tabs on the battle before joining it.

Usagi777 · Post by **Usagi777** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 3:40 pm

Pipestrell wrote:I'd taken it that he had been watching Mamoru constantly both before and after approaching him. Under that type of surveillance, both Mamoru and Usagi's other forms wouldn't be hidden for long. Surely he saw her transform if he was keeping tabs on the battle before joining it.

good point, but remember she transformed inside a building (out of sight) and then came out later.

rebelREBEL · Post by **rebelREBEL** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 7:54 am

Minako's friend figured out she was Sailor Venus in the S season (the volleyball player she had a crush on..) It can't be that hard, considering he had had his pure heart stolen (so he was pretty much almost unconcious), plus he hadn't even seen Minako for quite a long time (they hadn't spoken much since she had quit the team.)

And also, why didn't anyone recognize the amazoness quartet?
with THAT hair? and the fact that Palla Palla refers to herself in the 3rd person even when in human form? i never understood why Usagi was so shocked that "those girls" were the amazoness quartet