About Super S: is it really THAT bad?

Post by **Tiff** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 9:29 pm

Hachiko wrote:I've seen SuperS a few years ago, and I think the series could have had more of the Outers involved in this one. Also, one big mistake that I noticed (though not a major problem) is that Usagi and the Sailor Team are still in junior high. They should have been in their first year of high school. This would make the characters in Stars in second year of high school.

Y'know, I always wondered about that myself..In S, Ami's always saying that they're taking their high school entrance exams, and will be in high school next year. But yet, in Super S, they spend a whole extra year in junior high. wtf?

LadyFlameSniper · Post by **LadyFlameSniper** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 1:44 am

^Yeah I heard that was a mistake on Toei's part. they were supposed to enter high school in SuperS, as they did in the manga. But Toei "forgot" to include that, and put it in Stars instead.

Some fans try to explain that time went back a year when the Sailor Soldiers died in the first season. But that makes no sense whatsoever.

It was just Toei being clumsy

Cardcaptor Takato · Post by **Cardcaptor Takato** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 8:19 am

Hachiko wrote:I've seen SuperS a few years ago, and I think the series could have had more of the Outers involved in this one. Also, one big mistake that I noticed (though not a major problem) is that Usagi and the Sailor Team are still in junior high. They should have been in their first year of high school. This would make the characters in Stars in second year of high school.

Maybe Usagi's tendecy to never study and fail all her classes finally rubbed off on the other Soldiers and they all got held back a year. ^^

writergirl · Post by **writergirl** » Tue Aug 23, 2005 10:29 am

I don't have a "problem" With SuperS.... probably I"m lenient because I've only seen VERY few episodes of the dubbed version, and NONE of the original Japanese version.

Chibi-Usa IS my least favorite soldier... no offense to those to a Usa fans.... BUT I find her annoying... just my personal opinion. I found her annoying even in the japanese version of S and the little she was in Stars.

I like the new attacks and stuff one of my favorite things about Stars is the attacks. (haven't gotten to see where they actually get the power up though...)

I think the outers are a HUGE fan favorite... perhaps that's why SuperS is one of the least liked seasons?

While I don't agree with Rainbows views on Tux helping out Moon and Helios helping out Chibi moon.... Tux having to tell moon when to use her attack DID get annoying... please someone agree with me? Lol I mean is SM REALLY that dense she don't know when to attack?

Dinn't shink sho...

MollyNephlite_Fan · Post by **MollyNephlite_Fan** » Tue Aug 23, 2005 2:51 pm

Well SuperS is great. I think it's WAY better then S (in my opinion the worst of the four) but I prefer R and Classic to SuperS. The things about S that I don't like much is how the same thing seems to happen every episode. Just with a different person to attack and another oppertunity for the senshi to wait for Moon to use her Heart Rod. SuperS is kind of like that, except it isn't as consitent. The villians are hilarious, the inner senshi are all very cute and have indivial episodes every once and awhile. Yes, SuperS is great. A bit consistent, but great.

And another thing about this season (and S) was that the consistence seemed to make them a bit less dark and dramatic. The Classic and R were very dramatic with the senshi trying to find the princess, the love story of Mamo-Chan and Usagi, the doom tree, the four sisters, Mamo-Chan and Usagi's break up, Rini being the future daughter, Diamond being in love with Usagi, the wise man, all of it was so dramatic and just followed a big long story. S just seemed to have ten episodes about the same thing but altered with each member of the Witches 5. Even though there was a bit of drama in S. Everything that has to do with Sailor Saturn. But in SuperS, the light-headed-ness of the Amazons and the Pegasus story...it just gave us all a bit of a break. Too bad Cloverway showed us Fish Eyes man chest....

I don't understand why peopl ealways have a problem with sailor moon having a spotlight. The show is ABOUT her. She's the main character. I think there are an ample number of episodes dedicated to the other senshi.

And why is it unfair to have a series with a lot of Chibimoon? Everybody wants episodes for the outers and the inners, but for some reason, they have a problem with episodes for Chibiusa? Chibiusa is not one of my favorite chars, by far, but I don't have a problem with SuperS becuase a lot of it is dedicated to her.

And I agree completely with Tiff here. The show is about Usagi, what's wrong with it being about her and her future daughter? Maybe this is just because I love Usagi that I like that it's about her, and I love episodes about her and Mamo-Chan! Mini Moon isn't exactly my favorite charcter (I think she's whiny and annoying and bugs Usagi when she is with Mamo-Chan) but I don't mind some of the show focusing on her. But I do miss when she transformed alone. Her and Usagi transforming together is just kind of sad. And I miss the Luna-Ball. Diana is too squeaky for me.

Rainbow · Post by **Rainbow** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 5:01 pm

writergirl wrote: While I don't agree with Rainbows views on Tux helping out Moon and Helios helping out Chibi moon.... Tux having to tell moon when to use her attack DID get annoying... please someone agree with me? Lol I mean is SM REALLY that dense she don't know when to attack? Dinn't shink sho...

1) I actually changed those views later on.

2) I sort of agree, although I think it's more of a funny/cute thing about her rather than annoying. I think she just gets distracted in battle--especially in SuperS. Her mind was confused because one part of her mind saw the lemures as being the ones she needed to defeat, but then another part of her mind probably saw them as being circus performers.

sailor_mask1 · Post by **sailor_mask1** » Sun Dec 04, 2005 8:32 pm

I think the SuperS season is fun. Though the plot was not that deep and it kind'a throws some inconsistencies in the series. As a whole it still came out WELL. The humor factor was at one of it's best. Though among the five, I put this as my least, The First series is the BEST and the Doom tree in SMR as second and arguably the cutest. SMS is third, Stars fourth, and SMRBlack Moon fifth, Chibi-Chibi is still the cutest thing of all Anime.

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SailorLunagoddess · Post by **SailorLunagoddess** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 5:01 pm

I dont wanna sound like a cheeseball- but i get really emotional about the Chibi-usa and Helios storyline. It seems like i sit in front of my TV and start crying suddenly everytime a "lovey" scene happens...I guess im just a sucker for innocent love.

naughd07 · Post by **naughd07** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 1:43 am

I don't hate SuperS, though it probably is my least favorite season. The only thing I enjoy about SuperS is the Amazoness Quartet and the other Senshi become Super.

Neon Heart · Post by **Neon Heart** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 2:36 am

Okay, I'll bite... SuperS is an okay season. The only reason why I probably don't watch it as much as the other seasons (minus Sailor Stars of course), is mostly because of Sailor Chibi Moon. She just has the tendency to grate on my nerves, and sometimes Usagi does too.

Although, I DO like the new transformations, and the Amazoness Quartet, and the higher quiality of the art and all that, the fact that I think of the silly filler episodes as the ultimate in cheese doesn't really help.

While there is some serious moments, I guess it just kind of does a 180º turn, you know, mostly humor. Whereas the other seasons were supposed to be a little more serious, you know? I guess I'm reading too far into the humor of the season, but, ah... That's just me, I'm afraid. ^^;; I'll shut up...

the dooky · Post by **the dooky** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:43 am

One aspect of the SuperS anime that a lot of people pick up on is the relatively high amount of filler material: episodes seem to be neatly divided into those that contain plot and those that don't; whereas in previous seasons there was a less of a division, with things progressing more smoothly. This probably has something to do with the way the season was written.

For the first three seasons, the episodes were split up fairly evenly between all of the writers. The more senior writers might be given proportionally more pivotal episodes, but they were also given their share of low-key stories. Thus there wasn't any single person responsible for the development of the story: it was more of a group effort.

At the beginning of SuperS, three of the writers who'd been working on Sailor Moon since the beginning - Katsuyuki Sumizawa, Sukehiro Tomita and Shigeru Yanagawa - left the series. Only two remained - Megumi Sugihara, who'd been around since the beginning, and Yoji Enokido, who'd joined at the beginning of S. A new group of writers joined the series, but this time, the episodes were divided up less evenly, with all of the pivotal stories going to Enokido. Why this was done isn't clear, although it may have been due to the new writers' inexperience. Whatever the reason, the result was clear to see: there was now a clear division between the plot-expanding episodes (written by Enokido) and the "filler" episodes (written by Sugihara and the new batch of writers). Whereas previously regular episodes had still contained little snippets of the overarching plot, this was now limited to a set number of episodes, all of which were written by Enokido.

Of course, "filler" is a rather perjorative term, and it has to be said that many of these episodes were of excellent quality: indeed, SuperS probably has some of the best filler in the whole series. However, I think it's the sheer relentlessness that gets to people: episode after episode goes by without us learning anything new. And it's a shame, because SuperS is a series that excels in many other areas. The art is smoother and cleaner than ever before, the designs of the Dead Moon Circus and its inhabitants are wonderfully dystopian, and the new characters are wonderfully realised. Zirconia in particular is hugely underrated as a villain: menacing and manipulative, with a beautifully ironic death (Despite her previous mockery of the Amazon Trio's ignorance of their true nature, Zirconia doesn't seem to realise what she really is until it's too late). Take any individual episode of SuperS and compare it to one from the earlier series, and you might be surprised by how well it holds up. Where SuperS fails is not in the individual quality of its episodes, but its failure in building a story from week to week.

Pipestrell · Post by **Pipestrell** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 12:35 pm

I've recently been re-watching SuperS in a very reflective frame of mind and must say I'm becoming more and more impressed with the allusions to the 'unreal'. The three main variants on this theme are obviously 'dreams', 'mirrors' and 'shadows', but we also have 'performance' in the circus, 'images' in the photos and 'fairies' ("If we shadows have offended, think but this, and all is mended") in the SuperS movie.

The themes are so carefully woven and are a delight to sit and study. It's far more complex than the other series but is this part of the problem with it? It's possible that too much imagery detracts from the action and character led drama which we have come to expect by this time in out viewing and so those elements seem duller and formulaic. Perhaps if we take SuperS in a different light from the other seasons, it would stand stronger and more mature.

Takanori-chan · Post by **Takanori-chan** » Fri Dec 23, 2005 10:16 am

I think that people are forgetting why there is so much filler in this season. When reading the dream arc in the manga it is obvious that Naoko was having writers block during the first half of the season. The Amazon Trio plays a very small role in the manga and it is quite likely that Naoko was stumbling immediately after she introduced them in the manga. Also the fact that the end of the dream arc is actually in the beginning of Stars in the anime further shows that the writers didn't have a lot to work with from Naoko until the quartet is introduced in the middle of the season. The other seasons seem to coincide better with their corresponding manga arcs (minus doom tree - which is not in the manga at all). All things considered I think that it is amazing what was achieved in SuperS under these circumstances. Also a new show was aired practically every week and no show has ever been able to keep fresh under that kind of time frame.

Icelilly · Post by **Icelilly** » Fri Dec 30, 2005 1:54 pm

SuperS wasn't all that bad. But I still think R and S were better. But the OP/ENDs and BGMs were one of my favourites in this season.

dubfan2006 · Post by **dubfan2006** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 1:48 am

The only thing I didn't like about SS was Rini's voice (I only watch the dub). I thought her voice in R was much better. I liked Rini more as a brat (like she was in R) than a sweet little girl (like she was in S and SS).

Chibisteven · Post by **Chibisteven** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 7:00 am

dubfan2006 wrote:The only thing I didn't like about SS was Rini's voice (I only watch the dub). I thought her voice in R was much better. I liked Rini more as a brat (like she was in R) than a sweet little girl (like she was in S and SS).

Ummm. Three words: "Watch the original".

dimsum · Post by **dimsum** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 7:05 pm

to me superS was the worst season. I haven't finished S yet but I've seen most of it. With superS i've seen all of it. BUt i think the main reason I don't like it is because the outers weren't in it. If they were I think i'd enjoy that season fine. But because they weren't it really sucked. But I guess stars was even worst compared to SuperS. well IMO

Post by **Tiff** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 7:12 pm

laffinxD wrote: But I guess stars was even worst compared to SuperS. well IMO

Just out of curiosity, what did you hate so much abuot Stars?

dimsum · Post by **dimsum** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 11:29 pm

I didn't like the starlights =P I really dislike them I'm sorry if I come across as being rude but Yeah i really don't like them. That and that the outers were barely even in it until the end. Saturn finally reappeared at the end to die yeah. That's about it. Did you like superS and stars?

Post by **Tiff** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 12:02 am

laffinxD wrote:I didn't like the starlights =P I really dislike them I'm sorry if I come across as being rude but Yeah i really don't like them. That and that the outers were barely even in it until the end. Saturn finally reappeared at the end to die yeah. That's about it. Did you like superS and stars?

No, you're not being rude, I was just curious ^_^

Yeah it did suck that there weren't very many scenes with the outers. But I like Stars very much. And even though I have all of superS, I haven't seen it all yet. ^^;