Questions about Heart Crystals and Starseeds

purplefeltangel · Post by **purplefeltangel** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 6:27 pm

1. What exactly is a Heart Crystal? <-- ANSWER'D!
2. Do Heart Crystals appear in the manga? (They go on about "hearts" for a couple of pages but it doesn't seem like they do . . . :-/) <-- ANSWER'D!
3. What's the difference between a Heart Crystal and a Starseed? <-- ANSWER'D!
4. Is the Silver Crystal a Heart Crystal or a Starseed? <-- ?
5. Is the Golden Crystal a Heart Crystal or a Starseed? <-- ?

If anyone can answer any of these questions for me, it would be greatly appreciated! Thanks! ^^

Tempest · Post by **Tempest** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 8:41 pm

A Heart Crystal, if I remember correctly, is a physical form of a person's hopes, desires and, well, positive feelings in general. I beleive this is correct, anyway. There is an episode when Motioki[sp] sister, fondly called "liz" in the English dubb, has her heart crystal stolen and Ami (or one of them) mentioned that with all of her pure feelings gone, all that was left were the bad ones. To elaborate further on that episode, Motioki's sister wanted her first kiss to mean something with someone she loved. When her heart crystal was stolen, that pure desire was gone and she was willing to kiss anyone like it meant nothing.

Starseeds. Uh. I'm not sure what that is suposed to represent. I know when one is stolen and turns black, that person become a "phage/Pharce (it depends on which fan sub company did that subtitling)". I'm still not too clear on Starseeds other than that fact.

I don't think the Silver Crystal is a starseed, but I can be wrong. Though it is implied.

I've never heard of the "Golden Crystal". Sorry ^^;. Is that a manga reference? I've never actually read the manga. I've only watched the anime.

purplefeltangel · Post by **purplefeltangel** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 8:46 pm

Tempest wrote:A Heart Crystal, if I remember correctly, is a physical form of a person's hopes, desires and, well, positive feelings in general. I beleive this is correct, anyway. There is an episode when Motioki[sp] sister, fondly called "liz" in the English dubb, has her heart crystal stolen and Ami (or one of them) mentioned that with all of her pure feelings gone, all that was left were the bad ones. To elaborate further on that episode, Motioki's sister wanted her first kiss to mean something with someone she loved. When her heart crystal was stolen, that pure desire was gone and she was willing to kiss anyone like it meant nothing.

Ah! Thanks. "Motoki," by the way, and his little sister is Unazuki. =D

Starseeds. Uh. I'm not sure what that is suposed to represent. I know when one is stolen and turns black, that person become a "phage/Pharce (it depends on which fan sub company did that subtitling)". I'm still not too clear on Starseeds other than that fact.

I don't think the Silver Crystal is a starseed, but I can be wrong. Though it is implied.

I've never heard of the "Golden Crystal". Sorry ^^;.

Starseeds are a person's soul, all scrunched up into a user-friendly jewel format. ^^

The Golden Crystal is Mamoru's/ the Earth's answer to the Silver Crystal. I don't know if it appeared in the anime, but I was pretty sure it did.

Anyway, thanks for your help! Now I finally understand what a Heart Crystal is . . . heh. ^^

Umino · Post by **Umino** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 9:07 pm

purplefeltangel wrote:The Golden Crystal is Mamoru's/ the Earth's answer to the Silver Crystal. I don't know if it appeared in the anime, but I was pretty sure it did.

In the anime, I believe the Golden Crystal was Helios' horn. The crystal of the Earth.

Post by **Tiff** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 9:11 pm

Tempest wrote: I've never heard of the "Golden Crystal". Sorry ^^;. Is that a manga reference? I've never actually read the manga. I've only watched the anime.

Remember in sailor stars, when Usagi sees the brightest, goldest star seed floating in the star seeds? And Galaxia tells her, "I see you'v efound the Golden Crystal...." And it's Mamoru's?

There ya go. ^^

purplefeltangel · Post by **purplefeltangel** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 9:13 pm

Oh, so it is a star seed? Thank you! ^^ I was confused, because I thought it was, but I also heard that the Silver Crystal is Sailor Moon's Heart Crystal, so I thought the Golden Crystal might be Mamoru's.

Sailorasteroid · Post by **Sailorasteroid** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 9:15 pm

The S villains only went after pure heart crystals, so it's unclear as to if everyone has them. I figured it was like your actual heart and with no crystal you couldn't pump any blood.

Star seeds play off both meanings of the word star. Your potential to be a celebrity seems to determine if the anima-mates would target you, and whether you were the senshi of a heavenly body, and not just Sailor Chef or Sailor Sommelier, determined whether you had a true star seed.

purplefeltangel · Post by **purplefeltangel** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 9:20 pm

Sailorasteroid wrote:The S villains only went after pure heart crystals, so it's unclear as to if everyone has them. I figured it was like your actual heart and with no crystal you couldn't pump any blood.

The way I heard it explained (what they were going after) is "Everyone has a pure heart, but some people's are purer than others. Sailor Moon had the purest heart of all, so she was able to defeat Master Pharaoh 90." (I think this may be from SMU?) Anyway, I never understood this definition, because "pure" is like "perfect" -- there is no more or less. Now I get it, at least if it's the way Tempest explained it -- it means that she has the most pure feelings and desires, I think. ^^;

Anyway, they were searching for the Talismans, weren't they? I guess you wouldn't have to have the "purest hearts" to have the Talismans, then, because Sailor Moon is supposed to be purest. So I guess they were either mistaken, or didn't think really impure people (with very few pure feelings) could hold the Talismans. I don't know; I'm only guessing. ^^; This is from what *very* little I remember of the S dubbed anime and SMUncensored's comparisons. ^^;;

peachvampiress · Post by **peachvampiress** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 9:28 pm

To answer your second question, no, heart crystals don't appear in the manga. Uranus and Neptune have their talismans from the start and they search for the third talisman rather than heart crystals.

purplefeltangel · Post by **purplefeltangel** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 9:34 pm

Thank you! I knew they had their talismans, but I was ultra, ultra confused 'cause somewhere in the middle Prof Tomoe starts going on about stealing hearts and Sailor Moon's heart and stuff . . . o_O;

peachvampiress · Post by **peachvampiress** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 9:37 pm

purplefeltangel

but I was ultra, ultra confused 'cause somewhere in the middle Prof Tomoe starts going on about stealing hearts and Sailor Moon's heart and stuff . . . o_O;

I only have the Japanese reprint manga so I can't really confirm what Tomoe's saying in it. Alex Glover took down all his tranlations from his site and has pretty much stopped updating it, so if I can find the translations else where I'll try and add more information.

Umino · Post by **Umino** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 9:58 pm

purplefeltangel wrote:Thank you! I knew they had their talismans, but I was ultra, ultra confused 'cause somewhere in the middle Prof Tomoe starts going on about stealing hearts and Sailor Moon's heart and stuff . . . o_O;

In the manga they stole 'hoste' or something like that for Pharaoh 90. I think the Sliver Crystal was referred to as a 'powerful hoste'.

I could be wrong, it's been quite awhile since I've watched the anime or read a translation of the manga.

Starscream · Post by **Starscream** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 8:26 am

The reference to Mamoru's Star Seed as the Golden Crystal seems contradictory; we've seen throughout Stars that anyone who has their Star Seed removed either turns into a phage (regular humans) or dies/becomes open to Galaxia's influence (the Animamates and the Sailor Soldiers). Mamoru never once possesses the Golden Crystal that the Amazones Quartetto eventually steal from Nehelenia, yet he's perfectly alive and well throughout SuperS, and as far as i know, is not a phage. So that begs the question: Is the Golden Star Seed that Galaxia possesses the "Golden Crystal", or is it something else?

And in that regard, I don't think the Silver Crystal is a star-seed, either. The problem with the Silver Crystal that Usagi possesses is that, at one point, it was in the possession of her mother, Queen Serenity; if Usagi didn't have the Silver Crystal in the past, how was she able to live if she didn't have it? When Racy attacked Usagi and destroyed the Crystal in R, all that happened was that she detransformed, and the same thing happened in S with that tree daimohn.

My belief is that, while the crystal is a representation of all of Usagi's good qualities, it's not the star seed itself, and may just be a mirror of the strength and power of Usagi's Star Seed. That's why Galaxia wants it; the power of her Star Seed, represented in such a potent weapon, would benefit both Sailor Galaxia (the good one - to defeat Chaos) and Chaos, as well (enough power to destroy the universe or whatever it wants).

Sailorasteroid · Post by **Sailorasteroid** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 5:14 pm

Also, in the manga, there's nothing particularly special about Usagi's Silver Crystal, other than it's the only one currently in existence. When the senshi go to the future, Serenity's whole palace is made out of silver crystal. It's a substance, just like carbon crystal (diamond) or silicon dioxide crystal (quartz). Presumably, the crystalline structure of the silver would have to be unusually complex and difficult to form for it to have the powers ascribed to it.

ParaKiss_Groupie · Post by **ParaKiss_Groupie** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 11:43 pm

I belive the Silver Crystal was only an "amplifier" of sorts. As Starscream said, it could be neither a Heart Crystal or a Starseed because Usagi isn't the only posessor. Same principle applies to the Golden Crystal. I believe that the crystals are just amplifiers, stored inside of the proper body until the time comes for release. I also believe that the stronger the senshi get, the less they need the crystals. For instance, Queen Serenity of Crystal Tokyo allowed Chibiusa to return to the past and train with the Silver Crystal, so it couldn't have been a huge necessity for her. That, or it's a convenient plot hole.

Also, while Chibiusa could use the Silver Crystal, in the manga she creates her own crystal, the Pink Moon Crystal (or whatever it was called in the Japanese). So, none of them could really be Starseeds or Heart Crystals, as said above.