Any new developments for North America?

ScooterinAB · Post by **ScooterinAB** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 4:03 am

Greetings. I'm new.

I'm wondering if there is any new info about a possible rerelease of everyone's fav series. I recently read about, how if the live action bombs in NA, Toei will rerelease SM. I also read a few other odd little bits that suggest that some headway is being made.

I know nothing has happened yet, I'm just curious if anyone knows about anything. I also just read about the region 2 release, which also points to a possible light at the end of the tunnel.

Thx

Cardcaptor Takato · Post by **Cardcaptor Takato** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 9:10 am

Um, since when has the live-action series ever been released in North America and what does it have anything to do with the anime, anyway? And what do the Region 2 DVDs have to do with the anime series in North America? And since when have there been any plans to re-release the anime in North America? I think it's pretty clear that the anime isn't going to be re-released here (at least not anytime soon) when Toei takes away the North American companies' rights and doesn't give them back.

Post by **AnimeGuru0** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 1:01 pm

He's talking about stuff the SOS reported about before they closed. The SOS reported pretty much all of that.

Silence_Knight · Post by **Silence_Knight** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 3:48 pm

ScooterinAB wrote:Greetings. I'm new.

I'm wondering if there is any new info about a possible rerelease of everyone's fav series. I recently read about, how if the live action bombs in NA, Toei will rerelease SM. I also read a few other odd little bits that suggest that some headway is being made.

I know nothing has happened yet, I'm just curious if anyone knows about anything. I also just read about the region 2 release, which also points to a possible light at the end of the tunnel.

Thx

If by some rare chance the Live action came over here, if it did bomb, then why would toei bring back the anime? I'm not following this.

Post by **AnimeGuru0** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 1:15 am

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Because, as I just said, that is what the SOS reported. The SOS reported that if the Live Action did bad that the anime would come back.

ScooterinAB · Post by **ScooterinAB** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 3:53 am

I heard some very primative news when ADV lost the licence, but this is what I am getting now.

My guess is that Toei plans to return SM to North America in some shape or another. They want it to be in the form of the LA show, but it apparently is sucking in Japan (I've seen a few eps. Cute, but really outrageous). They have stated that if it sucks over here (or just doesn't get picked up), that they'd return the anime.

The region 2 release shows that things are starting to get straightened out in Japan, and shows hope that we might see a re-release here soon.

And as far as the license yanking goes (problems between Toei, the creator, and all other companies involved aside), it seems that now, Toei is pulling all of these partial licenses (DIC and ADV having seasons 1 and 2, Geneon having 3 and 4, for example) so that they can eventually give the full licensing to one company, rather then the handful that had it in the past. This doesn't mean I'm sticking up for Toei, I'm just saying that there may be a method to some of this.

Cardcaptor Takato · Post by **Cardcaptor Takato** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 9:21 am

I still do not understand how the success of Pretty Guardian Sailor Moon in North America has anything to do with the anime series. The anime and the live-action version are two entirely different entities. That's like saying if the North American soundtracks are successful Kodonsha will allow the manga to be re-released in the U.S. It's completely illogical. And once again, since when did Toei ever state they were going to release Pretty Guardian Sailor Moon in the U.S.? If Toei doesn't even want to release Sailor Stars in North America, why would it be any different for the live-action series? Do you have any actual proof that Toei is releasing the live-action series in North America?

Toei wants Sailor Moon to completely die in North America (or at least take a temporary hiatus). Why can't some people just accept that it's not coming back (at least not anytime soon) or that there's not going to be any new series released here? And how does the Region 2 DVDs show that things have straightened out in Japan? There was never anything TO straighten out. The Japanese DVDs have nothing at all to do with the North American DVDs. Are you even stopping to think about what you're saying? Because I really don't understand your logic. And Toei has never said why they're pulling the licenses for Sailor Moon in North America. But if Toei wanted the rights to Sailor Moon to all belong to one company instead of multiple companies, why are they allowing Geneon to keep the rights to Sailor Moon S and Sailor Moon Supers as you claim they are, but not for the Sailor Moon movies? If all of this illogical stuff is happening, why are you and the SOS the only ones who have reported this? You'd think the Genvid site and the SMU would've said something by now if this was all true.

doodlebuguk · Post by **doodlebuguk** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 11:58 am

I think he's only repeating what SOS said, no wonder it sounds illogical. Seriously, I doubt PGSM will ever get a english release since it'll be very difficult to dub and promote. Besides, if one Sailormoon series (the live action) bombed, how is that going to encourage a company to release another series (the anime)? That's the part that really makes no sense to me.

Kaleth-Adara · Post by **Kaleth-Adara** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 1:20 pm

Cardcaptor Takato wrote:But if Toei wanted the rights to Sailor Moon to all belong to one company instead of multiple companies, why are they allowing Geneon to keep the rights to Sailor Moon S and Sailor Moon Supers as you claim they are, but not for the Sailor Moon movies? If all of this illogical stuff is happening, why are you and the SOS the only ones who have reported this? You'd think the Genvid site and the SMU would've said something by now if this was all true.

They're allowing Geneon to hold it because the license hasn't expired yet. For all anime that comes out in the US the licensor holds it for a certain amount of time that's agreed upon with the contract. If they want to renew that license that have to take it up with the Japanese company. Sometimes they are interested, sometimes they are not. If they are not and the Japanese company doesn't mind if it becomes licensed again, it can change hands. That's why you see the original DVD release of Iria: The Animation released by CPM (out of print) but the newer tin box release was put out by MediaBlasters. Either way, I'm pretty sure S and SuperS TV won't be allowed to be renewed once their time is up... otherwise Geneon would likely still have the movies and ADV (or at least some other company) would have the first 2 seasons.

There's always the option of importing the R2s...

Mark91 · Post by **Mark91** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 9:50 pm

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The only thing I have EVER heard about a Sailor Moon in North America is the possible release of the new Manga, toher than that, I've got nothing.
And PGSM being dubbed? Hmmmm....it would look wierd being all out of sync..

ScooterinAB · Post by **ScooterinAB** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 3:11 am

This is exactly the reason I hate posting on message boards. I post something, looking for some clarification, and I get flamed.

Jusenkyo no Pikachu · Post by **Jusenkyo no Pikachu** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 4:38 am

...nobody's flaming you. It's just that something you posted was illogical and you were quoting a very poor source. I personally don't blame you--I at one point believed them myself.

However, if you look at the bottom of the SMU Main Page, you'll find a section on some of their errors/lies/bullshit. It's not a small section

Post by **AnimeGuru0** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 12:24 pm

ADMIN MODE: Personally, I'm a bit pissed off at the way this topic was handled by the members. Many of the posts here came off as short-tempered and "holier than thou".

Also, many seemed to seemingly IGNORE my posts clarifying where he got the information and continued to treat Scooterin as an idiot.

I'm siding with Scooterin on this one. If I were a new member and got talked to like this I would not want to return to the message boards. THIS IS NOT WHAT OUR MESSAGE BOARDS ARE ABOUT. THIS IS NOT AN ELITIST BOARD.

Now, if someone can't ACTUALLY respond to his initial post, explain the situation, explain the sources, WITHOUT BEING A SMARTASS, I will do it myself and lock the topic.

This is unnacceptable. Remember, it's a RULE that we are respectful to other users. Just because someone is new and you are a veteran does not make you any better.

Now. BACK ON TOPIC.

Jumbled Thoughts · Post by **MarioKnight** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 8:40 pm

Jusenkyo no Pikachu wrote:However, if you look at the bottom of the SMU Main Page, you'll find a section on some of their errors/lies/bullshit. It's not a small section

And to be a bit off-topic, that sub-section isn't on the main page anymore, it got moved to the News/Misc page since it's only an archive now as there will never be anything more added onto it with the SOS being closed. It's been there for over a month now. /off topic

To add on to the discussion, right now the only things with Sailormoon on this side of the ocean is that the S and SS seasons are the only part of the anime that's left and their contract will expire at an unknown time, my guess being the end of the year since the movies expired at the end of 2004 and the S/SS seasons were picked up about a year after the movies were. On the rumor side of things, Tokyopop is trying to pick up rights to the reissued PGSM manga, but has made no progress as of yet, at least none has been announced to the public.

Toei is entering the North American market with releases of three anime beginning in March. There is a slight possibility that they might re-issue Sailormoon over here a couple years down the road and release it themselves, however that is pure speculation right now. There have been signs of this being possible, such as Toei refusing to let DiC (not ADV, they sub-licensed from DiC and never dealt with Toei) extend their license for the first two seasons, thje same with Geneon with the movies and probably the second two seasons as well. Another sign is that with the thinpak DVD boxes of S and SS there's a Toei logo on the box spines, before Toei decided to enter the North American market themselves. The signs could point to some plan of a re-release, or not, it's up in the air right now but definetly some food for thought.

So right now, don't expect too much for any Sailormoon news in North America. I'd assume that the only news we'll be hearing is the date when S and SS expire and go out of print, probably within a few months. If Tokyopop is successful in picking up the PGSM manga then that's the only other piece of news over here I can think of.

Umino · Post by **Umino** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 8:52 pm

MarioKnight wrote:Another sign is that with the thinpak DVD boxes of S and SS there's a Toei logo on the box spines, before Toei decided to enter the North American market themselves. The signs could point to some plan of a re-release, or not, it's up in the air right now but definetly some food for thought.

I don't think it means anything. I believe Boys Over Flowers' DVD release has the Toei logo on it too. (From what I saw on ads)

Nocturne · Post by **Nocturne** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 12:23 am

I remember reading that article too. SOS claimed that Toei is not reliscensing the anime because they don't want the audience to get it and PGSM confused. Toei felt that if the anime wasn't around then PGSM would get better ratings. Also, Toei orignally thought that they were going to release PGSM in the states but that apparently didn't happen. so mabye they are considering re-releasing it. I don't know.

Once again, this is from SOS and I'm not saying that this is fact.

ScooterinAB · Post by **ScooterinAB** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 2:19 am

Cool. That's about what I was looking for, as it has been hard to find anything since ADV lost the licence. I know that SOS is a less than stellar source of info, but that's all I could find to follow up the ADV loss.
All we can do now is pay attention, try to guess what Toei is doing, and wait.

Thumbs up.

Jusenkyo no Pikachu · Post by **Jusenkyo no Pikachu** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 8:49 am

Didn't Toei also license just about the entirety of their back catalogue to Geneon too? If that's so, we may see Sailor Moon again. Heck, I might even get the chance to see Classic subtitled

Pipestrell · Post by **Pipestrell** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 9:44 am

That would only be if there were channels in NA that would be willing to show it in that format, which isn't all that likely considering what a select audience it would be aimed at. On a site like this it may seem like there's no end to 'mahou-shoujo-sub' fans, but from the point of view of the channels, we are very select.

That would just be in theory though, as it doesn't look like such will even be considered anytime soon. If talks did start up again about reissuing licenses and such then we'd probably hear about it way in advance of anything actually being done about it, but considering that were talking about a series thats ...what is it... 13 years old now? It doesn't seem all that likely.

Btw, did I over use the word considering in this post?

Jusenkyo no Pikachu · Post by **Jusenkyo no Pikachu** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 10:25 am

Pipestrell wrote:That would only be if there were channels in NA that would be willing to show it in that format, which isn't all that likely considering what a select audience it would be aimed at. On a site like this it may seem like there's no end to 'mahou-shoujo-sub' fans, but from the point of view of the channels, we are very select.

That would just be in theory though, as it doesn't look like such will even be considered anytime soon. If talks did start up again about reissuing licenses and such then we'd probably hear about it way in advance of anything actually being done about it, but considering that were talking about a series thats ...what is it... 13 years old now? It doesn't seem all that likely.

Btw, did I over use the word considering in this post?

Pipestrell (can I assume that you're replying to me?), I live in Australia, not North America. While it isn't at all likely that it will ever be shown down here, Madman have expressed interest in releasing the DVDs--indeed, now that the market for anime is wider than what it was five years ago (when I was lucky to find a half-decent dub VHS), they probably can push the envelope a little and release the boxsets. Hopefully we'll also get access to S and SuperS.

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