Plot Holes

[Rainbow]

I meant to say storywriters instead of animators. I just meant the people who created the anime story as opposed to the manga.

[Dinozore]

I seem to remember Chibi-usa saying she saw a picture of the grail...

*goes to check*

After checking that scene on my S DVDs, it turns out I was right. It was a picture she saw in her mother's room, not the grail itself.

[Tiff]

I seem to remember Chibi-usa saying she saw a picture of the grail...

*goes to check*

After checking that scene on my S DVDs, it turns out I was right. It was a picture she saw in her mother's room, not the grail itself.

o_O; on my fansubbed tapes, she said she saw the grail on her mother's dresser.

[LadyFlameSniper]

I remembered a couple more... I don't know if this first one is really a plothole. But in the anime version of R, the Black Moon and everyone is raving about how powerful Chibi-Usa is. I'm pretty sure Wiseman even said in one episode (think it was the one with Achiral and Chiral) that Chibi-Usa has unlimited power. But when she becomes a Sailor Soldier, she can't do much on her own. She seemed stronger before she became a Sailor Soldier...


And how does Neo Queen Serenity suddenly wake up the Earth in the 30th century? Wasn't she frozen along with everyone else? Does she one day just become unfrozen and say " I'm rested. Let me reawaken this planet and create a utopia"? o_O

[MarioKnight]

I seem to remember Chibi-usa saying she saw a picture of the grail...

*goes to check*

After checking that scene on my S DVDs, it turns out I was right. It was a picture she saw in her mother's room, not the grail itself.

o_O; on my fansubbed tapes, she said she saw the grail on her mother's dresser.

As much I like fansubs, professional subs, especially from a well-established highly-respected producer such as Geneon, are of much higher accuracy than that of fansubs. Here's a screencap to prove Dinozore's points.

Piccy with the line

Also.... ( http://www.tcp.com/~doi/smoon/episodes/sms107.html )

They saw Chibi Usa working working on a sculpture next to Masanori. Masanori asked Chibi Usa what she was making, and Chibi Usa said that it was a holy grail that she had seen in a picture in her mother's room.

Case closed for this plot hole.

[Tiff]

Mmkay. I didn't need THREE things to prove his point. My point wasn't that he was wrong. It was merely that my fansub said something different. That doesn't mean I thought the fansub was right.

Your post kinda made me feel slightly like an idiot.

[Vesta]

The reason Chibi-usa was so powerful was because she had the silver crystal inside her body during the R season.

[SailorSpace]

I don't mean to nag, but shouldn't that be under a spoiler tag? Some people haven't seen that much SM yet.

[Starscream]

ADMIN MODE:

Guys, don't bother with the spoiler tags in this thread. They'll be all over.

IF YOU ARE AFRAID OF READING SPOILERS, DO NOT GO ON.

Fourth or so post into the thread. This topic is bound to contain spoilers, so conceivably, everything said here would need spoiler tags around it.

[Umino]

I don't think the movies were really suppose to take place in the time line. Their just 'sidestories' for the anime. It's just like with other movies for anime. Look at DBZ! NONE of the movies (aside from the first one which creates a plothole) for DBZ take place in the timeline.

[WarriorPlutoII]

Look at DBZ! NONE of the movies (aside from the first one which creates a plothole) for DBZ take place in the timeline.

Actually according to Akira Toriyama, the fifth one (Cooler movie 1) is supposed to take place somewhere in the timeline. Im thinking during the time they trained to fight the andriods. I cant remember its been so long since I read anything about it.

[RattleMan]

Here's one:

In Sailor Stars, while Mamoru is under Neherenia's spell, Chibiusa starts to fade away, right? Well, if events happening in the present alter the future which would alter the present (if that makes sense), then Chibiusa wouldn't be born, so she wouldn't go back in time with the Silver Crystal in her (and Crystal Tokyo probably would have been have able to defend itself against the attack), so the Dark Moon Clan wouldn't have arrived in 20th Century Tokyo, the Death Busters would still be looking for (or found another) heart crystal to feed to Mistress 9 to awaken her, and then Pegasus wouldn't have found Chibiusa's dream, so Neherenia wouldn't be looking for the Golden Crystal (Mirror), so she wouldn't have been sealed under the new moon, so Galaxia probably wouldn't have had her spread the glass shards, so we're back at Mamoru not having a glass shard in his eye...

Or am I thinking wrong? Weird time-space paradox thingy...

[Starscream]

Here's one:

TIME PARADOX HURT STARSCREAM'S BRAIN!

^^;;

Anyhow, this is a classic time-travel paradox that is almost always mentioned at some point or other in time-travel movies/TV shows; for example, in Back to the Future, [spoiler]Marty McFly begins disappearing when his folks don't hook up like they're supposed to in the past. But, hypothetically, his not appearing should ripple through to when he first appeared; he would not be there to prevent his folks from falling in love the first time, things would turn out the way they would, Marty would exist and go back in time,[/spoiler] and round and round we go ><

Just chalk it up to writers wanting to make the effects of time-travel far more interesting than they would be "hypothetically" ^^

[Tiff]

Here's one:

TIME PARADOX HURT STARSCREAM'S BRAIN!

^^;;

Anyhow, this is a classic time-travel paradox that is almost always mentioned at some point or other in time-travel movies/TV shows; for example, in Back to the Future, [spoiler]Marty McFly begins disappearing when his folks don't hook up like they're supposed to in the past. But, hypothetically, his not appearing should ripple through to when he first appeared; he would not be there to prevent his folks from falling in love the first time, things would turn out the way they would, Marty would exist and go back in time,[/spoiler] and round and round we go ><

Just chalk it up to writers wanting to make the effects of time-travel far more interesting than they would be "hypothetically" ^^

^^; I actually had to have Parakisu explain that to me, like, twice before I got it.

I NEVER understood time-travel plots, but I always knew they wouldn't work. Now I know why.

*rips hair out*

[ParaKiss_Groupie]

Here's one:

TIME PARADOX HURT STARSCREAM'S BRAIN!

^^;;

Anyhow, this is a classic time-travel paradox that is almost always mentioned at some point or other in time-travel movies/TV shows; for example, in Back to the Future, [spoiler]Marty McFly begins disappearing when his folks don't hook up like they're supposed to in the past. But, hypothetically, his not appearing should ripple through to when he first appeared; he would not be there to prevent his folks from falling in love the first time, things would turn out the way they would, Marty would exist and go back in time,[/spoiler] and round and round we go ><

Just chalk it up to writers wanting to make the effects of time-travel far more interesting than they would be "hypothetically" ^^

Thank you so much for posting that. I tell people that about time travel plots all the time, and I get blown off. My faith in humanity has been semi-restored. ^^

EDIT:

Here's my answer to some of the plot holes:

1) Galaxia's Animates. Dude, why question it? Who does their own dirty work, when you can sit back and relax while poor saps go do it for you? Galaxia didn't care about the animates. It was pretty clear that she was just using them as pawns.

2) I always assumed with Pluto that there were two of them. The Pluto from the future and the Pluto was born in that time period. I thought that the Pluto from the future came to Earth first, and died in the helicopter explosion. Then the Pluto born during Usagi's present "awoke," and she's the one in Stars. That would make sense as well, since Usagi brings everyone back in Stars, so then the present-Pluto would be alive and well, and would one day act as Guardian of Time. That may be wrong, but it makes sense, really.

3) The movies. I always saw R as taking place anytime during the R season, since it seems to only last a day or so. They henshin once, fight the monster, teleport to the asteroid, stop Fiore, come home. As for S, the real fight with Kaguya only took maybe one day. They could have fought anytime during the regular S season (post-grail, of course), or it could be after the rest of the season. Pluto could be there because the current one has just "awoken"--sought out by Uranus and Neptune after grief of losing the last one. As for SuperS, what if it happened after Pegasus returned to his own place? Usagi could have grown so used to using Moon Gorgeous Meditation that she could power it with the Silver Crystal, and Chibi-Usa has seen it alot, plus she is undergoing Senshi training, even if they don't show it a lot.

[RoastedTwinkies]

Here's one:

TIME PARADOX HURT STARSCREAM'S BRAIN!

^^;;

Anyhow, this is a classic time-travel paradox that is almost always mentioned at some point or other in time-travel movies/TV shows; for example, in Back to the Future, [spoiler]Marty McFly begins disappearing when his folks don't hook up like they're supposed to in the past. But, hypothetically, his not appearing should ripple through to when he first appeared; he would not be there to prevent his folks from falling in love the first time, things would turn out the way they would, Marty would exist and go back in time,[/spoiler] and round and round we go ><

Just chalk it up to writers wanting to make the effects of time-travel far more interesting than they would be "hypothetically" ^^

Thank you so much for posting that. I tell people that about time travel plots all the time, and I get blown off. My faith in humanity has been semi-restored. ^^

Not much more I can add to that. I had to read that twice before I fully understood it. Big arigatou (thank you) for posting.

[Tiff]

3) The movies. I always saw R as taking place anytime during the R season, since it seems to only last a day or so. They henshin once, fight the monster, teleport to the asteroid, stop Fiore, come home. As for S, the real fight with Kaguya only took maybe one day. They could have fought anytime during the regular S season (post-grail, of course), or it could be after the rest of the season. Pluto could be there because the current one has just "awoken"--sought out by Uranus and Neptune after grief of losing the last one. As for SuperS, what if it happened after Pegasus returned to his own place? Usagi could have grown so used to using Moon Gorgeous Meditation that she could power it with the Silver Crystal, and Chibi-Usa has seen it alot, plus she is undergoing Senshi training, even if they don't show it a lot.

Yes. Thank you. I think that's a good loose theory, and it pretty much goes with that I was thinking.

[Cardcaptor Takato]

3) The movies. I always saw R as taking place anytime during the R season, since it seems to only last a day or so. They henshin once, fight the monster, teleport to the asteroid, stop Fiore, come home. As for S, the real fight with Kaguya only took maybe one day. They could have fought anytime during the regular S season (post-grail, of course), or it could be after the rest of the season. Pluto could be there because the current one has just "awoken"--sought out by Uranus and Neptune after grief of losing the last one. As for SuperS, what if it happened after Pegasus returned to his own place? Usagi could have grown so used to using Moon Gorgeous Meditation that she could power it with the Silver Crystal, and Chibi-Usa has seen it alot, plus she is undergoing Senshi training, even if they don't show it a lot.

I don't see how Sailor Moon R: The Movie could take place anytime during the Sailor Moon R series expect during that little break in Japanese episode 88. Usagi and Mamoru are together again during this movie, but for the vast majority of the series, they had broken up with each other. By the time they got back together, they immediately began fighting Esmeraude in the next episode, and then they're going into the future after that. When they finally returned to the past, Chibi-usa had already become Black Lady, so I just don't see how it could take place at anytime during the series, expect in-between the time where the Black Moon is defeated and Chibi-usa returns home. Besides, why would the Kisenian blossom attack the earth while somebody else was invading it? The same could be said of Kaguya from Sailor Moon S: The Movie, too.

Do Pretty Guardian Sailor Moon plot holes count here, too? I've seen all of the series and the video special, but there are still a few things about it that don't make any sense to me, so hopefully you guys can help me out. In the video special, how was Luna able to keep in contact with Queen Serenity? Why is the Silver Millennium still on the Moon? I thought it was destroyed by the Dark Kingdom. And why doesn't anyone on the earth notice a big palace located on the moon? If the Sailor Senshi aren't able to transform anymore because the Ginzuishou shattered, how was Luna able to still transform into Sailor Luna? If Mio is really Queen Beryl's shadow, how could Mio be reincarnated without Queen Beryl? Since when was the Shitennou reincarnated, anyway?

In episode 49 of Pretty Guardian Sailor Moon, Princess Sailor Moon used the Ginzuishou to destroy the planet. Mamoru was already dead before then, so how could be there talking to her after the planet was destroyed? And I'm not sure if this qualifies as a "plot hole", but in an earlier episode of the live-action series, Queen Beryl ordered Jaedite to continue draining energy, so that they can destroy the planet, and even referred to it as being "the ideal destruction." My question is, why was she wanting to the destroy the earth in this episode, when in later episodes Queen Beryl only wanted to rule the planet and was actually trying to prevent its destruction?

[RoastedTwinkies]

Do Pretty Guardian Sailor Moon plot holes count here, too? I've seen all of the series and the video special, but there are still a few things about it that don't make any sense to me, so hopefully you guys can help me out. In the video special, how was Luna able to keep in contact with Queen Serenity? Why is the Silver Millennium still on the Moon? I thought it was destroyed by the Dark Kingdom. And why doesn't anyone on the earth notice a big palace located on the moon? If the Sailor Senshi aren't able to transform anymore because the Ginzuishou shattered, how was Luna able to still transform into Sailor Luna? If Mio is really Queen Beryl's shadow, how could Mio be reincarnated without Queen Beryl? Since when was the Shitennou reincarnated, anyway?

*snip*

You do raise some really good points. I was disappointed that Toei didn't explain the past life well. We never did learn exactly what happened on the moon, and I think that's because the series was cut from 52 episodes to 49 episodes. Three episodes can make a huge difference. That's why, generally, I think the anime was far more effective as far as explaining the past life and bringing the first season to a close.

[Tiff]

I don't see how Sailor Moon R: The Movie could take place anytime during the Sailor Moon R series expect during that little break in Japanese episode 88. Usagi and Mamoru are together again during this movie, but for the vast majority of the series, they had broken up with each other. By the time they got back together, they immediately began fighting Esmeraude in the next episode, and then they're going into the future after that. When they finally returned to the past, Chibi-usa had already become Black Lady, so I just don't see how it could take place at anytime during the series, expect in-between the time where the Black Moon is defeated and Chibi-usa returns home. Besides, why would the Kisenian blossom attack the earth while somebody else was invading it? The same could be said of Kaguya from Sailor Moon S: The Movie, too.

So maybe it took place during that little break? *blink* Parakisu pointed out that it lasted about a day so..I don't see why it COULDN'T have happened toward the end of the R series, just before Chibiusa goes home.

And the Kisenian blossom doesn't just DECIDE to randomly attack the earth. It's highly suggested that Fiore came from the Makuji (sp?) Tree, like Ail and Ann. So that ties into the beginning of SMR. The Kisenian Blossom was found by Fiore, who, the way I saw it, confided about Earth and Mamoru, who was ON earth.

So it was merely the fact that the Kisenian knew Fiore wanted to go back to earth to see Mamoru, and seeing the opportunity to take the life energy on that planet, began to manipulate him.