Plot Holes

[Starscream]

The Death Phantom and the Black Moon family were exiled to Nemesis after they tried to attack Crystal Tokyo. My guess is that Nemesis was infected and corrupted by them, much in the same way that the earth was infected by Metallia in the manga.

[Mike]

My theory on Pluto is that she was brought back to the SuperS movie just to help and then dissapeared after that to "die" whihc might be why Haruka was shocked to see her maybe not really thinking what was coming was that bad that Pluto had to come help. (or maybe having Hotaru there)


I thought the S movie took place near the end where it snow's in a few episodes.


In stars and Supers manga Chibi_usa had a 'pink crystal' but I dont think her crystal in the manga had a color. Was the pink crystal the Silver Crystal from the future(?) I doubt it...


(I always did want to see Rei's crows and Artemis and Diana's "human" form in the anime. And did anyone notice that Sailor Luna resembles "human" Diana in the magna.)

[Cardcaptor Takato]

If Sailor Moon was the true Messiah all along, then why was she always exhausted whenever she used the Holy Grail? Wouldn't she have been able to use its full powers without feeling exhausted or destroy Proffessor Tomoe's lab with it when it first appeared like Uranus and Professor Tomoe said she should be able to?

[Tiff]

If Sailor Moon was the true Messiah all along, then why was she always exhausted whenever she used the Holy Grail? Wouldn't she have been able to use its full powers without feeling exhausted or destroy Proffessor Tomoe's lab with it when it first appeared like Uranus and Professor Tomoe said she should be able to?

Becuasei t was her first time using the power. She had never used the power of the holy grail. Remember all thet imes she used the ginzuishou, and it exhausted her? She's still Princess Serenity, yet becomes exhausted while using the ginzuishou. The same thing happens when she first transforms into Eternal Sailor Moon.

[#1SailorMoonFan]

I'm going to think everything through and try to reply to all the posts later. But here is another plot hole. In episode 9, how the heck did Luna tie a clock to herself without human help???

[Umino]

I'm going to think everything through and try to reply to all the posts later. But here is another plot hole. In episode 9, how the heck did Luna tie a clock to herself without human help???

The same way she manages to draw pictures of Usagi. XD

[nap*]

When they transform do they actually turn spin and twirl around
In S when they all transfomed at the same time to fight cyprin and pitorol the weren't standing in the same positions as they was before

[#1SailorMoonFan]

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[nap*]

I think the transformations are only for the viewer's sake and that they really take a second.

But they change position after transfomation

Before: usagi, rei, ami, minako, makato
After: Jupiter, Moon, Mars, Mercury, Venus

[#1SailorMoonFan]

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[Crecent beam]

Here are some questions I have:

In the S movie Sailor Moon and the others defeat that ice queen with the silver crystal, thanks to a method that doesn't make Usagi die.

Then how come she didn't use the silver crystal against Galaxia or Nehelenia, since there was no death danger for her?

And why the heck didn't she think of using it to heal Mistress 9, instead of giving up the grail ? Or maybe she could have even healed her with the power of the grail.



I think it's also odd that the "rainbow moon heart ache" attack didn't work against the ice queen, because we know that when SM is super, she can stop Pharaoh 90. Besides, when she performed Double moon gorgeous meditation with Chibiusa (they were super of course) they defetead Badianu at once.

So why couldn't she stop this queen?


As for why Haruka and Michiru are shocked at the sight of Sailor Pluto when in fact she was present in the SuperS movie, I think that perhaps we shouldn't take the movie too seriously. In my opinion, it was just made to make some more money, (even though it's a nice film).

[sailorperkytoot123]

Do dub plot holes count here, too? Because as I was re-watching the English dub of episode one tonight, I noticed a pretty big one. At the beginning of the episode, DiC inserts some clips from Japanese episode 44, showing the Dark Kingdom destroying the Silver Millennium, while a narrator summarizes the events that took place in the past. The dub states that after the Moon Kindgom was destroyed, Queen Serenity used the powers of the Silver Crystal to freeze everyone in "moonbeam crystals" and sent them to the future on Earth. If everyone on the Moon Kingdom was killed, and Queen Serenity just sent everyone to the future, how did Serena and the others wind up with their families in the dub? And what would be the point of Queen Serenity sending a bunch of dead people to the future? And I know that in the Japanese version everyone was reincarnated, but I'm asking this question as if the dub and the original were seperate entities, if that makes any sense.

Heheh...sending dead people into the future.
I don't see why the movies can't take place in the timeline because who says they have to wait for someone else to finish attacking the earth and say "oh you had your chance! Kisenian, you're up!" In the movie, Chibiusa knows that they're the Senshi and Usagi and Mamoru are together again so it could occur sometime while Esmeraude is in charge on Earth. The S movie featured the Holy Grail and Sailor Pluto so it probably happened during the early Mimette stage because they weren't arguing over Hotaru. Even if the Outers didn't wanna work with the Inners they saved them from the Snow Dancers and that was the only time they really were together except when they were talking on the bridge but they were still standing apart. As for Pluto, I thought the helicopter exploded while she was in it after the time stop wore off. That kills most people. But it seems she appears during time paradoxes when something is going to happen so that's why she was in the SuperS movie and so Haruka and Michiru could be surprised to see her at the beginning of Stars because it tells them that something bad will occur. There ya go.

[Starscream]

Yeah, a few of the earlier posts discuss how the R and S movies can fit into the timelines. However, Pluto existing as a time paradox STILL doesn't explain how Uranus and Neptune were surprised to see her in Stars, yet were perfectly fine with her existance in the SuperS movie (when she appears in Stars, the two are shocked that she is alive, and have no idea about her appearance being a portend for something to happen).

[Cardcaptor Takato]

Heheh...sending dead people into the future.
I don't see why the movies can't take place in the timeline because who says they have to wait for someone else to finish attacking the earth and say "oh you had your chance! Kisenian, you're up!" In the movie, Chibiusa knows that they're the Senshi and Usagi and Mamoru are together again so it could occur sometime while Esmeraude is in charge on Earth.

Because typically in most magical girl anime, the villians rarely ever attack the Earth at once. They usually either attack one after each other or they work together to take over the Earth. This is especially evident in Sailor Moon. The Dark Kingdom attacked first, then it was Ail and En, then the Black Moon, then the Death Busters, then the Dead Moon Circus, and then the Anima-mates. The only time I can think of where more than one villian attacked at the same time when they intially weren't working together was when Tigerseye and Hawkseye both went after Minako in Supers but that was more for comedy relief and they ended up working more or less together by the end of the episode. While yes, it isn't entirely impossible that Kisenian could attack the Earth while the Black Moon are invading, I just don't think it's likely she would simply because it doesn't really fit with the rest of the enemies' attack pattern in Sailor Moon and it's just one of those "rules of anime" that villians almost always attack one after each other rather than at once in magical girl anime. And even if the R movie could fit in the series' timeline, I don't think it would fit in the Esmeraude arc because Chibi-usa didn't know Usagi was her mother during that arc yet she clearly knows this in the R movie.

[Alexclow345]

Heheh...sending dead people into the future.
I don't see why the movies can't take place in the timeline because who says they have to wait for someone else to finish attacking the earth and say "oh you had your chance! Kisenian, you're up!" In the movie, Chibiusa knows that they're the Senshi and Usagi and Mamoru are together again so it could occur sometime while Esmeraude is in charge on Earth.

Because typically in most magical girl anime, the villians rarely ever attack the Earth at once. They usually either attack one after each other or they work together to take over the Earth. This is especially evident in Sailor Moon. The Dark Kingdom attacked first, then it was Ail and En, then the Black Moon, then the Death Busters, then the Dead Moon Circus, and then the Anima-mates. The only time I can think of where more than one villian attacked at the same time when they intially weren't working together was when Tigerseye and Hawkseye both went after Minako in Supers but that was more for comedy relief and they ended up working more or less together by the end of the episode. While yes, it isn't entirely impossible that Kisenian could attack the Earth while the Black Moon are invading, I just don't think it's likely she would simply because it doesn't really fit with the rest of the enemies' attack pattern in Sailor Moon and it's just one of those "rules of anime" that villians almost always attack one after each other rather than at once in magical girl anime. And even if the R movie could fit in the series' timeline, I don't think it would fit in the Esmeraude arc because Chibi-usa didn't know Usagi was her mother during that arc yet she clearly knows this in the R movie.

You're forgetting Haraberas and Patz, Cyprine and Petirol, and Lead Crow and Alumium Siren.

[Cardcaptor Takato]

I said that Hawkseye and Tigerseye were the only ones who started out attacking the target without working together (at least until the end of the episode). Harabeas, Petz, Cyprine and Petirol, and Siren and Leadcrow all worked together from the beginning of the episode. Hawkseye and Tigerseye worked seperately until the end of the episode.

[Alexclow345]

I said that Hawkseye and Tigerseye were the only ones who started out attacking the target without working together (at least until the end of the episode). Harabeas, Petz, Cyprine and Petirol, and Siren and Leadcrow all worked together from the beginning of the episode. Hawkseye and Tigerseye worked seperately until the end of the episode.

Oh, I didn';t quite understand your first post, sorry.

[sailorperkytoot123]

I understand about the rules of anime and stuff, but I don't recall Usagi or anyone showing they new Chibi Usa was Usagi's daughter. Maybe I'm wrong. I know in the dub Chibi Usa did (moon mama), but I dont think she said anything revealing that Usagi was her mom in the original. At the end she says Sailor Moon is everyones mom or something along those lines, but Luna and Artemis looked a little confused if I recall so maybe Chibi Usa was hinting that Usagi was her mom because obviously she already knew she was her mom. It's no big deal, but if you do have proof from the movie then I apologize.

[Umino]

As for why Haruka and Michiru are shocked at the sight of Sailor Pluto when in fact she was present in the SuperS movie, I think that perhaps we shouldn't take the movie too seriously. In my opinion, it was just made to make some more money, (even though it's a nice film).

Easy, because the movies don't take place in the Anime timeline. It's the same thing with the Dragon Ball Z movies. Almost none of them can fit in the storyline. Most anime flims (well, Toei Flims) never take place in the original storyline.

[Tatia]

It's always bothered me that Usagi couldn't recognize Kaori when she saw her at Hotaru's house. Same face, body, and even a very similar name. I know she was sure that K. was dead, but stranger things had happend, and thus she should have been aware that a reincarnation was very possible.