Plot Holes

[Gummi Tear]

Just like the topic title indicates, which plot holes have you noticed before in any of the Sailor Moon seasons? I just realized a huge one while watching my Stars DVDs tonight, and I've thought of it before, but never given it much attention. Now, however, it's really irritating me.

[spoiler]If Galaxia's intent was to collect the "true" star seeds of every planet in the galaxy, and she KNEW that the "true" star seeds were held by the SENSHI of these planets, then why in the world did she keep having her cronies go after random people? You would think that the second Sailor Moon and the rest of the senshi appeared, that would have been it. I mean, I realize that would have made for a pretty dull season, but still. Couldn't they have found a way to work around this huge plot hole?[/spoiler]

[Dinozore]

I have one: [spoiler]Prince Endymion's fate is portrayed two different ways in the first season. Fairly early, you see him with Princess Serenity and then he flies (!) off towards this castle, and she says that was the last time she ever saw him (I'm going by the dub on the dialogue, having not seen the first two seasons subbed, but I don't think that would affect the scene itself), which clashes with what we learn in episode 44... always wondered about that.[/spoiler]

While I'm at it, why did Uranus and Neptune go to that offshore [s]oil rig[/s] cathedral by themselves? Even if they hadn't had the Talismans, it was a damn obvious trap anyway...

[LadyFlameSniper]

Response to First post: Unless..
[spoiler]
she didn't realize who had the true Star Seeds and the Sailor soldiers' identites right away?because then it does make the Anima-mates' tasks pointless.
[/spoiler]

I have one: [spoiler]Prince Endymion's fate is portrayed two different ways in the first season. Fairly early, you see him with Princess Serenity and then he flies (!) off towards this castle, and she says that was the last time she ever saw him (I'm going by the dub on the dialogue, having not seen the first two seasons subbed, but I don't think that would affect the scene itself), which clashes with what we learn in episode 44... always wondered about that.[/spoiler]

While I'm at it, why did Uranus and Neptune go to that offshore [s]oil rig[/s] cathedral by themselves? Even if they hadn't had the Talismans, it was a damn obvious trap anyway...

Well this is what I think...

First plothole: [spoiler] in the original I don't recall her saying that was the last time she ever saw him. He had just gone off to fight against Beryl's forces and it was before they died. I'd have to watch the earlier ep again to be sure.[/spoiler]

Second:
I don't think they knew it as a trap and believed they could get the talismans from Eudial. even though I thought the trap was obvious as well ~_~


Another one is who guards the time door when Pluto comes into the present during S? Someone would have to guard it or anybody could use the door at anytime. In the manga, it's explained but the anime never touches it.

[Tiff]

ADMIN MODE:

Guys, don't bother with the spoiler tags in this thread. They'll be all over.

IF YOU ARE AFRAID OF READING SPOILERS, DO NOT GO ON.


As for my plot holes...

in S, Pluto uses the time stop to save Uranus and Neptune..she says that it's taboo and that she will die.

...she re-appears in the beginning of Stars, to get baby Hotaru from Tomoe.

o_O; Why didn't she die?! Why is she still alive? *bashes head against wall*

Also..Why does Tomoe seem to not care that this random green-haired woman is taking away his infant daughter? He doesn't protest or anything. How did she explain that to him? o_O; it never explains that.

[Dinozore]

And while we're talking about Tomoe, why doesn't anyone notice that wierd-ass eye of his? It's pretty obvious...

In the SMR movie, how was everyone breathing when they were on Fiore's asteroid?

[Rivalee]

I just thought of something (don´t know if it belongs here, but I go for it);
Whenever the Sailor Senshi fight a battle, what would happen if they died and wasn´t reborn? What would their parents/friends say if the girls never came home? I started to think about it when I read the last chapter of the Stars-manga. If I get it right, Usagi and the others were reborn in 30th century, but whatever happened to their parents/friends? Wasn´t they worried? I would worry to death if my daughter/best friend suddenly disappear without a trace.

I hope this wasn´t too moronic, but sometimes I blurt out (really) strange theories (happened in junior high, didn´t show my face for three days)

[ilovethesailorsenshi]

I just thought of something (don´t know if it belongs here, but I go for it);
Whenever the Sailor Senshi fight a battle, what would happen if they died and wasn´t reborn? What would their parents/friends say if the girls never came home? I started to think about it when I read the last chapter of the Stars-manga. If I get it right, Usagi and the others were reborn in 30th century, but whatever happened to their parents/friends? Wasn´t they worried? I would worry to death if my daughter/best friend suddenly disappear without a trace.

I hope this wasn´t too moronic, but sometimes I blurt out (really) strange theories (happened in junior high, didn´t show my face for three days)

I would think so rivalee, but... i dunno; maybe there's some kind of... nope can't think of a thing

... i'm sorry if i went off topic

[Gummi Tear]

Also..Why does Tomoe seem to not care that this random green-haired woman is taking away his infant daughter? He doesn't protest or anything. How did she explain that to him? o_O; it never explains that.

God, my friend and I joke about this ALL the time. Setsuna just kind of shows up, tells Tomoe that she needs Hotaru...and takes her. Did he just say, "Okay! Here you go!" and hand her over? o_o; Pluto is, in my opinion, a really mysterious character...but only because they don't EXPLAIN half of what goes on with her.

And also, LadyFlameSniper, that's a good point, but Galaxia didn't need to know the true identity of the senshi to take their star seeds...she even ran into them fairly early on in the season, when she killed Sailor Iron Mouse. All she did was look at them. Why wasn't she like, "Hey! Senshi! They probably have true star seeds, since it's the SENSHI who carry them!"?

I mean, Sailor Stars is my favorite season, but that enormous plot hole is bugging me to no end.

[doodlebuguk]

I have a theory relating to the whole Galaxia plot hole;

Princess Kakyuu fled the destruction of her planet, which must have annoyed Galaxia a lot. Sailor Galaxia knew that she must've fled to Earth, the only free planet left, but she wasn't sure where she was. She also believed that the Earth's Sailor Senshi were no threat to here, so she could take their Star Seeds at her leisure.

Galaxia also had no intention of sharing power with anyone, yet she had all these minions (the animamates) left. Her solution, send the animamates to Earth to search for the true star seeds, in order to cause trouble and force Kakyuu to reveal herself, as well as allowing her to destroy her minions for 'failing' her. I remember in one episode (forgot which) that when Aluminum Seiren reveals to her that she knows Sailormoon's identity, she looks panicky.

In some ways, her plan did work. Due to Lead Crow's interferance Kakyuu did reveal herself and she was able to steal the Princess' Star Seed. She was also able to kill most of the senshi with no real effort. She just underestimated Serenity and Chibi Chibi in the end.

[LadyFlameSniper]

And while we're talking about Tomoe, why doesn't anyone notice that wierd-ass eye of his? It's pretty obvious...

In the SMR movie, how was everyone breathing when they were on Fiore's asteroid?

I guess you could assume that the Sailor Soldiers can breathe in outerspace. They used to live on the moon afterall.


Another odd unexplained thing about Tomoe's appearance. He usually had glowing glasses, a shadow casted over his face, and a huge mouth (like Germatoid's) when he was acting crazy in his lab. And he'd look "normal" when he was acting sane, like when Usagi and Chibi-Usa came over to see Hotaru. But the shadow and all just disappeared in the second episode with Mistress 9, while he was still possessed acting insane. And he always looked normal after that (minus the star on his glasses)

[Gummi Tear]

I have a theory relating to the whole Galaxia plot hole;

Princess Kakyuu fled the destruction of her planet, which must have annoyed Galaxia a lot. Sailor Galaxia knew that she must've fled to Earth, the only free planet left, but she wasn't sure where she was. She also believed that the Earth's Sailor Senshi were no threat to here, so she could take their Star Seeds at her leisure.

Galaxia also had no intention of sharing power with anyone, yet she had all these minions (the animamates) left. Her solution, send the animamates to Earth to search for the true star seeds, in order to cause trouble and force Kakyuu to reveal herself, as well as allowing her to destroy her minions for 'failing' her. I remember in one episode (forgot which) that when Aluminum Seiren reveals to her that she knows Sailormoon's identity, she looks panicky.

In some ways, her plan did work. Due to Lead Crow's interferance Kakyuu did reveal herself and she was able to steal the Princess' Star Seed. She was also able to kill most of the senshi with no real effort. She just underestimated Serenity and Chibi Chibi in the end.

That does seem to make a little sense, but if Galaxia didn't even WANT her Animamates, then what was the purpose of having them in the first place? And why did she give the offer of becoming one to Haruka and Michiru? I always just thought that she liked feeling like she held power over people, and the Animamates were a VERY good example of her own power. She alone held the keys to their lives. (The bracelets replacing their star seeds.) In other words, Galaxia was simply power-hungry.

[usachan]

This is something I thought of when I was finishing SuperS. We all know in the manga the Amazoness become senshi, but not in the anime. Well at the end of SuperS they were all like "we will see them again someday, I'm sure of it" or something like that. It was sort of implying they would come back in my opinion, but they obviously didn't in the anime. That sort of bugged me a little.

[Cardcaptor Takato]

ADMIN MODE:



in S, Pluto uses the time stop to save Uranus and Neptune..she says that it's taboo and that she will die.

...she re-appears in the beginning of Stars, to get baby Hotaru from Tomoe.

o_O; Why didn't she die?! Why is she still alive? *bashes head against wall*

Also..Why does Tomoe seem to not care that this random green-haired woman is taking away his infant daughter? He doesn't protest or anything. How did she explain that to him? o_O; it never explains that.

Did Sailor Pluto actually say that she was going to die in the anime? I don't seem to remember hearing her actually say that her punishment was death, but I might not be remembering correctly. And maybe nodody guards the Gate of Time when Pluto is away in Sailor Moon S and Sailor Stars. After all, if the Black Moon was able to find another way around the gate to travel back in time, what would be the point of still having a guardian? When Pluto shows up in the first episode of Sailor Stars, that scene cuts off right when she says that she's there to pick Hotaru up, so perhaps Tomoe protesting against her actions is just something we don't see on-screen?

Or maybe even though Tomoe lost all of his memories of the events from Sailor Moon S, he could still somehow sense something about Pluto that allowed him to have a feeling of reasurrance that his daughter was going to be in good hands? About the Galaxia thing....maybe the reason why she attacked all those random people was to make sure all the Senshi of the solar system had been awakened? Remember that later that season when Saturn was going to use her attack against Galaxia, she said that the whole reason Nehelina was freed from the mirror was to awaken Saturn because pre-mature Star Seeds were useless to her. So, maybe she was attacking random people to make sure that there were no more pre-mature Star Seeds left? Here's another plot hole....if the ninjinshous (I hope I spelt that right) are really what make up the Ginzuishou, how was Queen Serenity able to use the Ginzuishou's powers to defeat the Dark Kindgom when they invaded Silver Millienium if the ninjinshous were on the earth?

[doodlebuguk]

That does seem to make a little sense, but if Galaxia didn't even WANT her Animamates, then what was the purpose of having them in the first place? And why did she give the offer of becoming one to Haruka and Michiru? I always just thought that she liked feeling like she held power over people, and the Animamates were a VERY good example of her own power. She alone held the keys to their lives. (The bracelets replacing their star seeds.) In other words, Galaxia was simply power-hungry.

Maybe she wanted to use them Neptune and Uranus to torture Sailormoon? She said something along the lines that she loves seeing a planet's senshi destroy each other (again, I apologise, for the lack of actual quotes) After all, you could definately say Galaxia is very sadistic. I think that's a very valid point, that she liked to have power over people's lives. Maybe that is why she took some senshi on as animamates.

[RoastedTwinkies]

This is something I thought of when I was finishing SuperS. We all know in the manga the Amazoness become senshi, but not in the anime. Well at the end of SuperS they were all like "we will see them again someday, I'm sure of it" or something like that. It was sort of implying they would come back in my opinion, but they obviously didn't in the anime. That sort of bugged me a little.

I agree. I've always wondered where they went. I was also disappointed that we didn't get to see Umino, Naru, Motoki, or any of Usagi's old junior high friends OR her family in stars. They are there in the manga.

[peachvampiress]

Gummi Tear

And why did she give the offer of becoming one to Haruka and Michiru?

I always thought it was because Saturn and Pluto are stronger then the others (except Sailormoon of coure) and it would have been hard for Galaxia to get their Star Seeds, so she got Uranus and Neptune to get them for her. Galaxia might have known that Saturn and Pluto would resist fighting their friends and just give up.

[Rivalee]

I just thought of something (don´t know if it belongs here, but I go for it);
Whenever the Sailor Senshi fight a battle, what would happen if they died and wasn´t reborn? What would their parents/friends say if the girls never came home? I started to think about it when I read the last chapter of the Stars-manga. If I get it right, Usagi and the others were reborn in 30th century, but whatever happened to their parents/friends? Wasn´t they worried? I would worry to death if my daughter/best friend suddenly disappear without a trace.

I hope this wasn´t too moronic, but sometimes I blurt out (really) strange theories (happened in junior high, didn´t show my face for three days)

I would think so rivalee, but... i dunno; maybe there's some kind of... nope can't think of a thing

... i'm sorry if i went off topic

I mentioned this to my younger brother this afternoon, and he said that Sailor Cosmos maybe erased the memories of the Senshi´s parents/friends.

[peachvampiress]

Rivalee

I started to think about it when I read the last chapter of the Stars-manga. If I get it right, Usagi and the others were reborn in 30th century, but whatever happened to their parents/friends? Wasn´t they worried? I would worry to death if my daughter/best friend suddenly disappear without a trace.

Personally, I interpreted the ending as Usagi wanted to go back home and everyone went back to present. But the reason the next scene is in the 30th century is because nothing exciting happened after they got back. They were never attacked after Galaxia, so why both showing their normal lives. I always thought Naoko just skipped ahead to the wedding.

Of course, I might not be right. I haven't read a decent translation of the scene in a few years.

[Gummi Tear]

Gummi Tear

And why did she give the offer of becoming one to Haruka and Michiru?

I always thought it was because Saturn and Pluto are stronger then the others (except Sailormoon of coure) and it would have been hard for Galaxia to get their Star Seeds, so she got Uranus and Neptune to get them for her. Galaxia might have known that Saturn and Pluto would resist fighting their friends and just give up.

Actually, looking back I feel like I have to correct myself. When I think about it, Galaxia wasn't offering JUST Neptune and Uranus the bracelets, but instead just the Outer Senshi in general. It was Uranus and Neptune though, that immediately took her up on her offer. So it wouldn't have been just so Galaxia could have someone else collect Saturn and Pluto's star seeds..

I actually think that doodlebuguk's theory makes the most sense. Galaxia IS really sadistic. I think she was actually hoping that one of the Outer Senshi would take her up on the offer, just so she could watch Sailor Moon be betrayed. Sweet of her, huh? ^^

[WarriorPlutoII]

not only is Galaxia sadistic, she suffers from the fault all villains seem to suffer from; over-confidence. Maybe she just wanted to toy with the Senshi for awhile and in the end the mistake came back to bite her in the ass.