Should or I should not get the DVD box-set?

Post by **Tiff** » Sat Nov 29, 2003 7:33 pm

MarioKnight wrote:Well that's another minus for me. Mix of dub and sub terms throughout episodes and the episode guides are another turnoff. In my eyes, ADV failed completely in satisifying their customers with this release.

*nods8 it was a pretty sad excuse for a release, but regardless, I still want it due to the fact that I want copies of subbed R so badly I can taste it.
mmmm, R....

Sakuya · Post by **Sakuya** » Sat Nov 29, 2003 7:56 pm

The graininess is not really noticeable on my TV. Was the TV version grainy like this too? I don't remember. Also, maybe the audio varies from system to system? I don't think every person here has a Home Theater System. For me, I do have one and it is muffled, it definitely is not like my other anime DVDs.

Sailor Solider · Post by **Sailor Solider** » Sat Nov 29, 2003 11:01 pm

I really hope they, or someone else will release the R1 DVD's of Sailor Moon Season One Uncut again, so I (We) can get something that we've waited over half a decade for (Since 1995) in good quality.

Which is what Pioneer did exactly to S and SuperS ...

As for the idea of a another company getting the rights to release them on better DVD's, I highly doubt it. Oh sure, they can get better masters, however, what makes you think they would do any better? What if they had the exact same problem, more would complain that ''It's crapper then ADV's!''. Take note, that this is partly Toei's fault, they should have gave better supplies to ADV, but what can we do? They wouldn't care for what we have to say.

The ''crappy'' product isn't as bad as everyone makes it out to be. True, just about everything in it is worser then any other Sailor Moon DVD's (well, except the dubbed versions). But it's atleast a descent and legeal way to get them. Isn't worth $150 bucks, but you can get it much cheaper at some places, which is were ''go for it'' thing comes in.

To be honest, when I first heard of this ''awful quality'', I never let that keep me from buying it. My mind was focus on the idea of seeing a show I love uncut, uncensored, and seeing it in its original glory, no matter how bad it was. Has it ever occured to you that not many people can get these ''fancy'', ''better-looking'' bootlegs? Maybe their much cheaper and all, but perhaps they just want to purchase something they could eaisly get out of the store.

I can understand those who were very disappointed in the set, but, really, must you be so harsh. I, again, will admit this isn't the best DVD product of our beloved anime, but is it the worst? Hardly not. Though, I will say (once again!), ADV could have tried a wee bit to do a better job.

But this is just my opinion, so don't let it get to you. Sorry for the LONG rant, and forgive my mispells, not quite use to this country yet.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sat Nov 29, 2003 11:14 pm

Obsessive Touga Fan wrote:I've never once seen the phrase "champion of love and justice" in the subs. However, they did mistranslate the speech - it says "sailor warrior of love and justice" instead of (for example) "sailor-suited pretty warrior of love and justice".

Hmmm, i've seen it quite a bit, but I can remeber it used in Episode 23: Nephrite said "You can keep on saying that champion of justice stuff". Even though "Sailor Stu-Bishoujo senshi" is nothing close to champion of justice. lol

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sat Nov 29, 2003 11:18 pm

MarioKnight wrote:This release was anything but rushed. July 2002 they announced getting the rights and made a comment that production was already underway. About nine months later In April 2003 they gave a date, and ADV doesn't give dates until a product is finished. In my view, they have nothing to hide behind, they had more than enough time to do cut and paste jobs for the pre-episode sequences, look over their subs and episode guides much more closely, and most importantly, get better masters. I don't know what they did in that nine months, releasing the box the way they did with an obvious glitch on top of all that really makes me wonder. Knowing ADV's reputation for having quality releases and all, as well as seeing the time put into it, I was really excited. Now with this and other ADV releases in 2003 having problems, I'm starting to become wary of purchasing anything from them again.

Oh hey Mario Knight. Sorry about that, I thought it was started to be made in April 2003

LOL not that it started in July 2002. I feel so stupid... Thats why i thought it was rushed, less than 4 months in a major release would explain.

Post by **Tiff** » Sun Nov 30, 2003 12:23 am

Sailor Solider wrote:
To be honest, when I first heard of this ''awful quality'', I never let that keep me from buying it. My mind was focus on the idea of seeing a show I love uncut, uncensored, and seeing it in its original glory, no matter how bad it was. Has it ever occured to you that not many people can get these ''fancy'', ''better-looking'' bootlegs? Maybe their much cheaper and all, but perhaps they just want to purchase something they could eaisly get out of the store.

*nods* that's what the majority of me thinks. LIke I said earlier..sure, part of me thinks "dear God, ADV, did you have to do is this badly?", but the other part, the bigger of the two, says "I've wanted to see this for a long, long time. It's worth it."

And you have a point about convenience. I don't buy things on E-bay because it's simply not convenient for me in more ways than one. So being able to cruise up to Best Buy, and purchase something you've wanted for a while just seems a better option to me.

Usagi04 · Post by **Usagi04** » Sun Nov 30, 2003 8:17 pm

Sometimes, people like too make too big a deal out of something that's not even worth it. I support ADV's product's, and I will continue too.

Sailor Solider · Post by **Sailor Solider** » Sun Nov 30, 2003 9:31 pm

As I said MANY, MANY times, ADV really didn't you such a bad job with it. Once again, it isn't the best DVD release given to Sailor Moon, but would you perfer, oh, I don't know. DiC's dubbed version? Which presents it as a joke and a little kiddie show. For those complaining about the video quality, just make some adjustments. It's pretty crappy on my TV, but in my parents, it looks excellent, it even sparkles (even though it's dirt).

Jeff · Post by **Jeff** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 9:37 am

At least the Dic dub DVDs were in stereo. I don't think it's the content that is in question, but the quality. I think ADV's sub DVDs are much more of a complete joke than the Dic ones.

Jumbled Thoughts · Post by **MarioKnight** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 10:18 am

Heh, some of these posts here and other places I do find a bit amusing, in how willing people are to defend ADV. I too, am a big fan of ADV's products, they made quite a name for themselves in their product quality and selection over the years. 2003 has been a bad year for them. They have released a number of DVDs that have had various problems, some of them so bad people wonder if they have a QC phase in production at all. I think it was figured for 2003 to be about 10 or so titles that ADV had had flawed releases for in 2003. Saying that number just sounds bad no matter how you look at it.

I think it's sad that because someone is loyal to a company, that they accept a release that is flawed and scoff at people who are rightfully complaining about the flawed disc. Here and elsewhere, I'm seeing various people go out of their way to defend ADV and their flawed products throughout the year. What I find amusing is that these people are the same people whould would be joining in the complaints had it had been almost any other company had made the same mistake. If let's say Manga, CPM, Media Blasters, or Funimation (to name a few) had released discs of the same flaws, they would be slaughtered by everyone. I think it's sad because now it's ADV releasing bad discs and people are defending them when for many other companies they would be doing otherwise. A bad disc is a bad disc regradless of company, and informing the company of their mistakes is the proper action to ensure that they know fans won't accept these half-assed releases and a hopeful fix of the current releases. In 2003 ADV has released as many bad discs as every year up to and including 2002, this is a bad sign and should be stopped immediaetly.

So what is my response to people who accuse me and others like me for being too harsh on ADV for Sailor Moon? If it were another company, would you still be defending them? I like ADV's products and have supported them over the years, but that fact doesn't stop me from letting them know that they dropped the ball. I know I've said it somewhere, I think the most recent editorial, but with the quality of ADV's products up to this year, I find it hard to believe they were willing to release things of such low quality and have the courage to have their name on it.

Post by **Tiff** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 12:47 pm

Marioknight: ^_~ I'm not gonna quote your post cuz it's friggen huge, but....
Don't get me wrong. I think ADV ought to go hang their heads in shame for the way they released this boxset. I'm in no way defending them. What I'm personally saying is that I want this boxset so badly, that my desire to own it overrides my anger for ADV's release. I don't know about anyone else, but I myself am not "loyal" to any certain company. I'm the type of person that if I see an uncut, subbed release of an anime I really want to see and I can afford it, I'll buy it regardless of the company. If I watch it and it's horridly done, I'm done buying it. This is what happened with MKR. I couldn't stand the bad translations in the first tape, and it killed the show for me, so I stopped buying it, and I don't even KNOW who released it.
So please understand that some of us who still want the boxset aren't necessarily defending ADV...we just want the damn boxset XD

Usagi04 · Post by **Usagi04** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 1:43 pm

That's what I was trying to say before, Tiff. Thanks for making better sense than me.

Obsessive Touga Fan · Post by **Obsessive Touga Fan** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 2:48 pm

Jeff wrote:At least the Dic dub DVDs were in stereo.

The DiC dub was made in stereo, but the original wasn't. The issue isn't that the DVDs have mono audio, but that the audio is really, really bad.

Sailor Solider · Post by **Sailor Solider** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 8:30 pm

I think it's sad that because someone is loyal to a company, that they accept a release that is flawed and scoff at people who are rightfully complaining about the flawed disc

I hope this post isn't directed to me, because I never nor have scoffed anyone for disliking this set. I'm just saying that peeps don't have to be so harsh on it. Too many people (not from this board though) keep bad-mouthing, screaming how horrible it is and all.

What I find amusing is that these people are the same people whould would be joining in the complaints had it had been almost any other company had made the same mistake.

If another company had the same problem, then so be it. I'm not going to wail over something I'm already okay with. However, if they do it much worser then ADV, well, yeah, some of us are going to complain.

Tempest · Post by **Tempest** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 9:01 pm

I don't own any of the boxsets (but I did see the R season at media play for 137 dollars plus sales tax. yeee-ouch), so I'm not complaining in any way.

Besides, if it's a bad quality release I'm not going to complain much. It's something I've been wanting. Sure, I'll be disappointed, but I'm not going to hold a grudge or hold ADV to any lower standards. Though, I am an admirer of the ADV production/labels I'm not loyal to them. I'm simply loyal to the anime. ^.^

Jumbled Thoughts · Post by **MarioKnight** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 10:02 pm

Well, I guess this was the wrong place for my little vent post. I had seen some general ADV posts and assumed that they meant more than just the SM boxes when they said they would support their releases. Thinking that and actively posting on AoD about basically what my last post said, I made that last post when I shouldn't have, sorry about that.

I can understand how many people will get the SM boxes for love of the show not worried about the quality, and more power to you for being able to do that. I wish I could be able to enjoy them as you do, but I can't bring myself to support a low quality release for a show I love so much. It's a pity that this bad release is the only legal way to obtain these uncut seasons in R1. I own the first box to see ADV's work for myself, was obviously unimpressed, and now will have to go against my distro code and get bootlegs instead as that's the only way I seem to be able to get SM the way that it should be availble already. I'd like to support ADV with their uncut SM releases, but the only SM releases I'll be supporting from them are the DiC dubbed DVDs unless they do something about the uncut releases, which sadly won't happen at this rate.

Sailor Solider · Post by **Sailor Solider** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 10:34 pm

Thinking that and actively posting on AoD about basically what my last post said, I made that last post when I shouldn't have, sorry about that.

It's okay, I think I was a little harsh too. My post made it seem as if I were being a wee bit hostile. It's just that since this is my first Sailor Moon thing I've ever owned, it means somewhat a lot to me.

I can understand how many people will get the SM boxes for love of the show not worried about the quality, and more power to you for being able to do that. I wish I could be able to enjoy them as you do, but I can't bring myself to support a low quality release for a show I love so much.

I can understand were your going. I have plenty of films I love that are given such crappy treatments, quite annoying. ADV has released plenty of flawed disks, true. I own two Japanese monster movies that are listed with the fullscreen version, and anamorphic transfers, but in reality, their is no transfer, and it's just widescreen only.

I'd like to support ADV with their uncut SM releases, but the only SM releases I'll be supporting from them are the DiC dubbed DVDs

Eh, let's not speak about such a horror. After seeing it uncut, I have no intention of seeing the dubbed version ever again. Anyway, would coudn't ADV get rights to the R2 DVD's? I mean, they did it with three monsters movies, and the transfers are direct rip-off's from the Trilogy box-set. Yes, they had a contract and all, but why couldn't they do the same for Sailor Moon?.

Cardcaptor Takato · Post by **Cardcaptor Takato** » Wed Feb 25, 2004 10:22 pm

I'd hate to bring up this old topic, but I didn't want to start an entire new thread just to ask this one tiny question and since everyone else was ranting about the DVD boxsets' crappy quality, this seemed like a good place to ask about this. Anyway, I recently bought a copy of the Sailor Moon R DVD boxset for my birthday and was watching the episode where the Sailor Senshi find out the location of the Makaiju.

Sailor Jupiter tries using her Supreme Thunder against it and when she attacks it, there is a large red circle that appears. It's just for a brief second but it's really annoying. So, what I was wondering if this was one of those numerous glitches the boxsets have been plagued with? Did ADV Films correct this glitch along with the audio glitch when they did the Sailor Moon R DVD boxset or did they leave it the same?

Jumbled Thoughts · Post by **MarioKnight** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 12:05 am

Cardcaptor Takato wrote:Sailor Jupiter tries using her Supreme Thunder against it and when she attacks it, there is a large red circle that appears. It's just for a brief second but it's really annoying. So, what I was wondering if this was one of those numerous glitches the boxsets have been plagued with? Did ADV Films correct this glitch along with the audio glitch when they did the Sailor Moon R DVD boxset or did they leave it the same?

If it's not supposed to be there, then it's considered a glitch. I highly doubt that ADV has done anything to fix that as I'm sure they don't know about it, it's actually the first time I've heard it mentioned, they only mentioned the episode 68 glitch and said they would fix that and said nothing about other problems, and that the exchange for R is only disc 5, well after the episode you mentioned.

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