Animation errors.

RoastedTwinkies · Post by **RoastedTwinkies** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 4:46 pm

Tiff wrote:
Cardcaptor Takato wrote:Another animation error I've noticed. In the episode of Sailor Moon S, where Yuuichiro's heart crystal is stolen, the girls are shown in Rei's room wearing their normal clothes. Then, when they find out that Yuuichiro is going to leave the Hikawa shrine and run after him, they're suddenly wearing their school uniforms.
*Nods* That one always makes my head hurt.

I"m not sure if this is an animation error or a subbing error. It could be either, depending on how you look at it. Perhaps someone who knows Japanese a bit more than I can help, to see if it's a subbing error?

I just finished re-watching the Yuichiro episode today. There is NO DOUBT that this is an animation error, NOT a subbing error. Here is why:

During the scene when Usagi, and the others are studying, Mako runs in the room and says 'Taihen na! Minna, kite kude!'

Translation: "Taihen" means horrible, trouble, etc. The 'na' is a particle that you put after an adjective.

ie: Watashi ha kireina hito desu. (I'm a beautiful person)

The sentence isn't completely finished, as in a proper sentence that you write, but you see shortened dialogue like this all the time in Japanese. Take into account that it's only appropriate to shorten the dialogue when you're talking to your family or friends.

"Minna, kite kude!"

I'm sure everyone already knows this, but I'm going to say it again, "minna" means everyone. I'm not going to bother to talk about the honorifics, since there's already a topic about that.

This is the most significant part of the translation."kite" is the "te" form of "kimasu" which means "to come". The "te" form verbs are demanding you to do something right now. Therefore, "kite" means "come". Mako is telling the others to come immediately because there's trouble. She isn't telling them to come in 10 minutes, or tomorrow. She's telling them to come now.

"kude" is another element of the sentence that is shortened. It's short of "kudasai" which means "please". You only put this at the end of a sentece where you're telling someone to do something. It isn't the same thing as "onegai".

EDIT: I decided to throw in an example here.

ie: "kite kudasai" (Please come)

Then comes the next scene where Yuichiro is leaving. I'm not gonna bother to get into this scene too deeply here. Basically, Yuichiro is telling grandpa that he's leaving.

Finally, there comes the scene when the senshi run into it in their school uniforms. Based on my translation above about Mako's dialogue, it wouldn't have made any sense if it was happening on a different day. Because of this, I highly doubt that this was intended to be a different scene. The rest is up to you to for interpretation. Perhaps, they had time to change into their school uniforms before they came. Who knows...

I hope this clears things up.

Starscream · Post by **Starscream** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 6:20 pm

RoastedTwinkies, I think Tiff was referring to the scene in the SMS movie, not the Yuuichiro scene ^^;;

RoastedTwinkies · Post by **RoastedTwinkies** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 6:22 pm

Starscream wrote:RoastedTwinkies, I think Tiff was referring to the scene in the SMS movie, not the Yuuichiro scene ^^;;

oops^^
I was intending on doing one of those translation things for both scenes. I'll leave that one up anyways.

Post by **Tiff** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 7:32 pm

Starscream wrote:RoastedTwinkies, I think Tiff was referring to the scene in the SMS movie, not the Yuuichiro scene ^^;;

Yes, I was ^^; I was referring to the SMS scene with Artemis asking where Luna is.

RoastedTwinkies · Post by **RoastedTwinkies** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 9:56 pm

Tiff wrote:
Starscream wrote:RoastedTwinkies, I think Tiff was referring to the scene in the SMS movie, not the Yuuichiro scene ^^;;
Yes, I was ^^; I was referring to the SMS scene with Artemis asking where Luna is.

I will clarify your intended scene tomorrow or Monday, when I find time. I don't think I'll find time tomorrow because I'm going to a festival and I have to study for my diploma exams ><

Strawbaby · Post by **Strawbaby** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 11:49 pm

The R movie seems to be just full of little errors. I'll contribute a couple more: near the end, when Fiore grabs Sailormoon's brooch and her fuku turns to ribbons, the two talk and the scene switches a few times from a closeup of Fiore's hands on her brooch to a shot of them from further away, among others. On the hand-on-brooch closeups, her red choker is clearly shown to be still there but in every other shot it's gone.
Also, on the slow pan down of Minako where the possessed guy grabs her leg in the street, she's missing a bit of her torso that should be showing and the outline of the skirt underneath shows through the top.
As for the irritating Fiore speaks / Sailormoon speaks discrepancy, I believe it was fixed in a later Japanese release, though I may be wrong.

Jonathan · Post by **Jonathan** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 10:01 pm

In Sailor Moon S, the episode where Usagi gets her heart crystal stolen from Senishenta, when they're in the garage, they show a bottom view of Usagi, and she has her hands together. It looks she has only 6 or 7 fingers altogether. Her hands look very very weird.

RoastedTwinkies · Post by **RoastedTwinkies** » Tue Aug 03, 2004 2:18 pm

Osoku natte sumimasen! (Sorry I'm late!) I'll post my translation from the S movie today. I will rewatch the S movie and post once I return from my guitar lesson. Until then!

RoastedTwinkies · Post by **RoastedTwinkies** » Tue Aug 03, 2004 6:50 pm

Tiff wrote:I"m not sure if this is an animation error or a subbing error. It could be either, depending on how you look at it. Perhaps someone who knows Japanese a bit more than I can help, to see if it's a subbing error?

In the SMS movie, the girls are standing outside Rei's Temple, roasing sweet potatoes. One of them (i forget which) proceeds to say:

"Did you find anything out about our new foe, Luna?" (or something along that lines, but in the subs, luna's name IS at the end, as though she's asking luna a question)

Then, Artemis and Minako run up, and Artemis looks around and says "...Where's Luna?"

Either the subbers messed up, and meant to put "Did Luna find anything out about our new foe?" OR the animators forgot to draw poor luna in, didn't include her in the next scene when artemis shows up, and therefore had Artemis ask "where's luna?"

It turns out that this is a subbing error, not an animation error. Generally, Geneon is pretty good with their subs, since this is the first major screw up I've seen so far.

In the scene, Ami proceeds to say "Shibaten mitan dakedo... Runaha isusenatte donnakattawa"
Which translates to:

"I've looked into it frequently, but... at what position was Luna?"

Then Artemis comes to say "Where's Luna?"

I don't really feel like giving another Japanese lesson ^_^ Special thanks to Sailorasteriod for helping me clean up the second part of the translation ^_^

crazydiamond · Post by **crazydiamond** » Wed Aug 04, 2004 3:07 pm

I'm not sure if this is continuity or animation, but...
In the R movie, after Sailor Moon's energy is drained and she falls to the ground, she is shown laying with her legs apart, gasping for breath. Then, when Fiore stabs the ground all around her, there is an overhead shot (a *freaky* overhead shot), and Sailor Moon is laying with her legs together (almost in a crucifix-type pose). Then I think they do a closeup, and her legs are apart again. It bugs me a little, but I don't know why.

jupiter23 · Post by **jupiter23** » Wed Aug 04, 2004 4:44 pm

crazydiamond wrote:I'm not sure if this is continuity or animation, but...
In the R movie, after Sailor Moon's energy is drained and she falls to the ground, she is shown laying with her legs apart, gasping for breath. Then, when Fiore stabs the ground all around her, there is an overhead shot (a *freaky* overhead shot), and Sailor Moon is laying with her legs together (almost in a crucifix-type pose). Then I think they do a closeup, and her legs are apart again. It bugs me a little, but I don't know why.

That reminds me of something else in that scene that you didn't mention-when the camera is showing Sailor Moon at the first angle you are talking about, she has her head turned. Then, when it shows that angle from above, her head is turned upwards, looking at Mamoru. Then it shows it turned to the side again, then it does a close up of her face and her head is turned back up.

peachvampiress · Post by **peachvampiress** » Wed Aug 04, 2004 9:06 pm

In the episode in S where Ami's pure heart was taken, when her and Michiru first race, Michi's wearing a yellow and orange bathing suit (the one on the banner). Then when Ami races her later the same day, Michi's switched to a purple suit and has her hair in a bun. 0___o; wonder why she switched suits?

Sailorasteroid · Post by **Sailorasteroid** » Wed Aug 04, 2004 9:11 pm

peachvampiress wrote:In the episode in S where Ami's pure heart was taken, when her and Michiru first race, Michi's wearing a yellow and orange bathing suit (the one on the banner). Then when Ami races her later the same day, Michi's switched to a purple suit and has her hair in a bun. 0___o; wonder why she switched suits?

Well, I don't know that that's much of a continuity error. The animators might have just been trying to show that Michiru is elegant and a clothes horse who probably has a whole closet full of swimsuits organized by style and color. ^_^

More likely they were just experimenting with a new character, trying to draw her in different outfits to get a feel of how to draw her better.

RattleMan · Post by **RattleMan** » Thu Aug 05, 2004 1:41 pm

Not really an animation error (I think it's done just to make it look good) but when Sailor Moon does Moon Gorgeous Meditation, when it gets to the part with the "2P" split-screen (top/bottom), the top part has the Kaleida Moon Scope in her right hand, but in her left hand in the bottom. As I said, it's probably just to make it clearer/look good for the audience.

Cardcaptor Takato · Post by **Cardcaptor Takato** » Sat Aug 21, 2004 9:52 am

Another animation error for Sailor Moon R: The Movie. When Fiore attacks Sailor Moon with his sword, he knocks her down and the sword almost hits Artemis, but when Fiore tries to stab Sailor Moon with his claw thingies, they show Luna in the place where Artemis was a second before.

Sailorasteroid · Post by **Sailorasteroid** » Sat Aug 21, 2004 3:53 pm

RattleMan wrote:Not really an animation error (I think it's done just to make it look good) but when Sailor Moon does Moon Gorgeous Meditation, when it gets to the part with the "2P" split-screen (top/bottom), the top part has the Kaleida Moon Scope in her right hand, but in her left hand in the bottom. As I said, it's probably just to make it clearer/look good for the audience.

I think they were trying to make it a mirror image, since the whole series is about dream mirrors.

Quark · Post by **Quark** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 7:09 pm

peachvampiress wrote:In the episode in S where Ami's pure heart was taken, when her and Michiru first race, Michi's wearing a yellow and orange bathing suit (the one on the banner). Then when Ami races her later the same day, Michi's switched to a purple suit and has her hair in a bun. 0___o; wonder why she switched suits?

Most likely because putting on a wet bathing suit that you had just been swimming in isn't the most pleasant thing, so her putting on another bathing suit makes some sense.

Cardcaptor Takato · Post by **Cardcaptor Takato** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 8:43 pm

Sailorasteroid wrote: I think they were trying to make it a mirror image, since the whole series is about dream mirrors.

I think it's too make it look more like a kaleidoscope, since that's what her weapon is called.

jupiter23 · Post by **jupiter23** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 1:11 pm

I just thought of another one that happens in Sailor Moon S...all throughout the series, the steering wheel on Haruka's car changes from the right side to the left side and back again. I think the same thing happens with Mamoru's car, but I am not as sure of that.

Strawbaby · Post by **Strawbaby** » Fri Aug 27, 2004 6:38 am

On both the back and insert of the Pioneer S DVD vol. III the main part of Jupiter's tiara is a beautiful shade of bright green while the jewel, just visible through her hair, is gold. I think it's a shot from the show so I'll have to go back and see if it's there too. Now I can't look at it without cringing >_< Not only this, but her ponytail is so thin, I think she's balding.

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