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Post by MarioKnight » Thu Feb 05, 2004 11:56 am

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Miyamoto wrote:I dunno if this thread has been done yet or if it even belongs in OT, but what animes have you seen dubbed that suck compared to their subbed counterparts? I'll start.

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P.S. Mods if this topic has been done already gomen.. And if not I hope it's successful. I did a search and nothing with this title came up so...
That's why there is a search feature, hell if you're that worried there's not that many posts in the anime section to quickly look through the thread titles. And how can you think that a thread completely about anime doesn't belong in the forum completely about anime? Common fucking sense, jeez!

Now a more general statement to everyone reading this, I am tired of seeing new threads being made with the original poster "worried" that the topic has been made before or where it should be posted. US law doesn't allow people under 13 to use web services like this, so I assume that everyone on this board is at least 13. I know it's been a long time since I've been that age, but I'm sure I can assume that people 13 and up have some sort of common sense, enough to be able to determine if a thread has been made or not and especially where one might go. If this is such a mind numbing task, I have two requests:

1) Don't bother posting new threads

or

2) Get the f out

Myself, and the other admins and the chibi mods are NOT babysitters, our job on these forums is to keep them running smoothly, not to handhold you through methods to express your thoughts. We have the different forum listings to keep these topics orginazed so that a thread discussing something about a broader topic X, then that post can be found in forum X. Not a hard concept. We are not going to babysit all of you anymore. It's ridiclous and too much to ask of us for something we run on our spare time outside classes and work. I am now at zero-tolerance for this kind of bullshit.

So what do I want from everyone? I want all of you to start using your own heads, trust me, they can handle the process of figuring out this kind of stuff. I don't want to hear any apologies, because like I posted in another thread in the recent past couple days, words mean shit to me, I want to see action. You want to show me you understand? Then this enrie issue ends now, no more.

(This topic slpit from another thread so it can be discussed seperately than the topic of the other thread)
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Post by Tempest » Thu Feb 05, 2004 7:58 pm

I normally wouldn't respond to this (I usually just read these types of announcements. No disrespect, It's just I normally wouldn't have anything to add), but I concur.

I think I only started 1 topic in total, MAYBE a few more, but before I did that I thumbed through all the previous topics to make sure I didn't double over. It probably took a few moments to look over the old threads.
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Post by writergirl » Thu Feb 12, 2004 12:03 pm

::Claps hands:: Bravo Dan.... :roll: people just don't know how to look for themselves. And if they're really THAT worried about it, PM one of the MODs or Admins.... I was only curious once about a topic, I PM'ed Tiffu, and got a response back rather quickly.
If people hav eto fret about if their topic is going to get locked, or get yelled at for startign a topic that has all ready been started.. then plain and simple they shouldn't start it.... doy. :wink:
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Post by Anthy » Thu Feb 12, 2004 2:10 pm

I'll add my two cents.

We should not have to teach you all common sense. Most of the users here are good about being relevant and obeying the rules.

Message boards are DIFFERENT from chat rooms. They are for discussions where one's posts are usually longer than one line and cover more points. I'm not sure why this is such a difficult concept to grasp. In a good post, I think, one should make their point, have reasons to support it, and be done with it. Information and debate are the main purposes for forums, not "Which senshi's asscheek is your favorite." This is not a free-for-all carnival for babble and banter. Grah...
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Post by Starscream » Thu Feb 12, 2004 7:54 pm

Anthy wrote:Message boards are DIFFERENT from chat rooms. They are for discussions where one's posts are usually longer than one line and cover more points. . . . Information and debate are the main purposes for forums, not "Which senshi's asscheek is your favorite." This is not a free-for-all carnival for babble and banter. Grah...
*clap clap* Thank you for this. It gets REALLY annoying when posts are bumped up with nonsense or needless "replies" that don't add anything significant to the topic ><
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Post by Tiff » Thu Feb 12, 2004 8:37 pm

Anthy wrote:In a good post, I think, one should make their point, have reasons to support it, and be done with it. Information and debate are the main purposes for forums, not "Which senshi's asscheek is your favorite." This is not a free-for-all carnival for babble and banter. Grah...
YES. I am so tired of the nonsensical, pointless posts. It's very hard to discuss a pointless post, and therefore, the post just sits there after one or two replies, or after 40 pages of nothing but idiocy. It's just irritating, and makes our jobs are mods harder becuase we have to shift through posts like this to make sure everyone's following the rules.

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Post by NameGoesHere » Fri Feb 13, 2004 7:00 pm

[pointless post] Thanks for not killing me mods! Sorry if this post is out of place! Please forgive me ahead of time for something I may or may not have done! [/pointless post]

It really is not that hard to figure out where a post belongs. If it's about Sailor Moon then put it in the Sailor Moon forum, if it's about an anime other than Sailor Moon then put it in the Other Anime forum. I always assumed that the forums were given simple, descriptive titles for that reason.
Of course, I could be wrong. The titles could be part of an alien nations plan to take over the planet through a Sailor Moon fan forum…
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Post by ParaKiss_Groupie » Fri Feb 13, 2004 8:57 pm

NameGoesHere wrote:[pointless post] Thanks for not killing me mods! Sorry if this post is out of place! Please forgive me ahead of time for something I may or may not have done! [/pointless post]

It really is not that hard to figure out where a post belongs. If it's about Sailor Moon then put it in the Sailor Moon forum, if it's about an anime other than Sailor Moon then put it in the Other Anime forum. I always assumed that the forums were given simple, descriptive titles for that reason.
Of course, I could be wrong. The titles could be part of an alien nations plan to take over the planet through a Sailor Moon fan forum…
…Oh, and Mercury's is my favorite. >_>
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Post by MarioKnight » Sun Feb 22, 2004 8:21 pm

I apologize to everyone for having to do this, even to the person who I'm about to tear apart, but when I see people do stupid stuff like what I'm about to mention over and over again, I HAVE to say something in hopes that the person addressed will get a clue and that others will see what I have to say and learn from it. This little quote in the "how old are you" thread amazes me:
Miyamoto wrote:Happy birthday! ^_^ Today is Sunday the 22nd. Happy 16th/sweet 16th whatever the case may be. I'm 20. I turned it about a month ago. Yay me! I'm no longer a teen! lol... I've liked SM since I was 16 sooo.. ^_^
Why am I amazed by this? Because Miyamoto has the time to through this thread to see the birthday mentioned in the middle of the thread to wish the member a happy birthday, BUT CAN'T SEE THE THREAD THAT WAS MADE FOR THAT EXCAT PURPOSE ~13 HOURS BEFORE HE POSTED THAT. Sorry for the caps, but I hope that makes the point clear. After being banned for a week for doing stupid stuff similar to this over and over again, this quote above amazes me because (a) he hasn't learned anything in his time off, and (b) that he can look through threads and yet completely miss the one that was made for the member's birthday.

I don't want to be an asshole, and I really don't mean to always single you out Miyamoto, but with the exception of maybe two people this whole month, you're the only one who is setting me off here on the forums and not learning a thing from it. I don't know what to say, I don't know what to do, all I know is that I want it to stop. You apologize repeatedly for doing these stupid things over and over, you tell me every time you apologize it won't happen again, I've told you many times that if you're really sorry then instead of apolgizing over and over to improve on this, and nothing. You say in the quote above you're 20, PROVE IT. I don't see how you can be my age and continue to act the way you do here. I forgot excatly when this was, but there was one day I got home and was going through the new posts and noticed that there was a new member who was 13 according to her post in the age thread. I was scared for a breif moment, but then was completely amazed as this 13 year old had posted in various topics staying on topics with the threads, and not posting anything out of place that most others usually do when they get an account here, and had pretty good typing skills. It was the most impressive thing I have ever seen on these forums, and the staff here will vouch for me on that since I made sure I mentioned it to them.

So, I ask, can you prove to me that you can handle figuring out where to post various things? Judging by the posts in this very thread, it seems that some people are just as amazed as I am of how "hard" it is for certain people to not get the small point of where certain posts go. So in closing, I have two things to say, similar to the two things that I listed at the top of this thread. Get with it, or get the f out. If you decide to keep posting here and you don't seem to be getting with it, then myself and the rest of the staff will help you in getting the f out.

Again, I'm sorry for having to seemingly do this over and over again and be a total asshole, but it looks like I have to if people aren't getting it. Maybe since people don't like being embarrassed and humilated in front of others, I should do excatly that in this thread everytime something this stupid and simple happens. You all tell me. What more does the staff have to do here to keep people from doing stupid things instead of using pure common sense?
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Post by Akarui Kibuno » Mon Feb 23, 2004 12:22 pm

Well, I think what you've just done is what's necessary. At least here most of the people read what you say. So, if you post about someone doing stupid stuff (I hope I got your message correct, I just read it!) on the board, others will see what happened and they might get scared and might improve their behaviour here.

Just banning the person and talking in private does help a bit, but sometimes, what the person is scared of is the reaction of others, so post in on the boards and either the person leaves out of shame or stays and shut his/her mouth.
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Post by Sailor Moon » Tue Feb 24, 2004 7:43 pm

I thought I was the only one who's done some irrelevant stuff on the boards and apologized endlessly. I had no idea their were other people. Well, I understand that "modding" and "warning" people for repeating themselves, or going off topic ahs a reason, since it distracts from the topic and may look silly. I, however, am a very understanding and forgiving person, and if someone was doing that on my board, I may get frustrated, I remember when I once had a message board that evil people kept invading so I kept deleting their weird, harsh messages, woah, off topic, but anyway, that was awhile ago.

Anyway, if people were repeating themselves and making off topic things on my board, I'd think it was cute and adorable. However, in other cases it may be annoying. I'd feel sorry for them though that they can't not repeat themselves. I'd give them chances and I'd think, what if they have mental or medical issues that, while they are perfectly normal in real life, make them repeat themselves on the internet constantly because they are paranoid that someone might make a misunderstanding and they'd keep thinking about it and what other people think. Yes, if someone had a spelling error on their website, I used to e-mail them about their spelling errors in fanfiction and websites, but that was awhile ago, and I ended up making typos while correcting them. Heh.

Anyway, if someone is repeating themselves about something, I'd think that maybe it's because othe rpeople on the board have different opinions and they are nervous that random internet surders will get the wrong idea because they may miss their opinion, or think because they are a member of the board that they have the opinion of others if they don't state their opinions over and over again. They may be worried that their opinion is unknown. If they can't type in paragrpahs, I would not ban them, I know I had that problem, I would tell them how they could be comprehended better. Just because they can't write in paragraphs doesn't mean they should be excluded from the fun discussions.

If they insult other board members opinions, I would not ban them, I would tell them that they should think about what they say and how it would affect others and to please not say it again because it hurt soemone else's feelings. If they repeat themselves I'd understand that they might have obsessive compulsive disorder, where if they don't repeat themselves they'll feel that their opinions aren't known and are worried about what random internet surfers may think. Instead of thinking about how the board may be spammed with their repetetiveness, I'd think about how much they are suffering having to be forced to repeat themselves and not being able to control it and having other people tell them to stop.

If they go off topic, I'd just tell them to please try to be on topic and kindly ask why they were off topic. If their posts constantly go from one thing to the enxt, I'd understand that they may have difficulty ins tating their opinions. If they talk about things that don't make sense, either their weird, or, perphaps their scitzophrenic. If they have multiple accounts, perhaps they have multiple personalities. They could have dissasociative identity disorder. I like to treat people with respect. I like to think about how they are suffering. If they come up with complicated, odd messages, perhaps their autistic, and can't comprehend simple things. Instead of thinking oh their spamming, I would rather wonder why they are spamming and if they can help it and whether or not they have control over it.

If they miss soemthing ro weren't paying attention, instead of thinking, oh they are doing it to be spiteful, I wodner, what if they have attention defecit disorder? What if they can't help it? What if they have amnesia or a short-term memory spane. They should not be deprived of the fun. Sure it may make things difficult, but I'd think of how they feel having to deal with such things. If they have multiple personalities, of course they are going to sound different. I like to think of was for everyone to be happy and help everyone and treat everyoen with kindness and respect, because if you were in their shoes you would know that they are in pain repeating themselves and having all these personalities and going off topic.

I don't think anyone should be deprived of using a board if they have a reason as to what they're doing. Is it their fault if they're born a certain way? It could have easily of been you or you or anyone. It could have been you who was chosen. Everyone has a reason for doing something, and if you put yourselves in their shoes, you can realize that they can be in pain. I like to think of how other's feel and how certain actions may affect them. Yes, I am clumsy and I can make mistakes. Everyone does. If someone repeats themselves or goes off topic, I feel symphathy. I'm a very caring person who likes to see things from everyone's point of view. However, that's my opinion.

This is your board, you make the rules, and you do not have to change them in order for it to be okay for things that you don't feel are okay. It's you're board, and you can decide whatever you want. I was not trying to challenge you're message, just I was trying to state that it is possible to help everybody, not just some people. I may think some people are weird, odd and strange, like some people who act like they don't have brains, but they too have their reasons for acting the way they do.

I am exactly like Sailor Moon. I want everyone to be able to be happy and I symphathize with everyone. Not everyone has the time to be understanding, so I understand if you just want to run a board, I understand completely. I just know that if people were doing something on my board, I'd try to help them and understand where they're coming from.

Wow, I must sound a little silly and I know this post may seem a little, well, odd, but I just wanted to try to show soemthing, I don;t know though, I like to delve into things. Anyway, rules are rules, and you're rules are you're rules and whether others like them or not, everyone must follow them because it's you're site and you're board and being able to be on it is a privilege for each individual member so we should respect your wishes.

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Post by Anthy » Tue Feb 24, 2004 9:39 pm

::stares at Sailor Moon's above post:: There is no way I'm going to read all of that.

Also, I myself am guilty of stupid posts. I'm working on it, really. Most of my posts have absolutely no purpose whatsoever unless I feel a) The need to mock something or B) something to contribute. Obviously, A happens much more than B. However, they're usually meant to amuse Tiff; therefore, I am excused of all sins.

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Post by Tiff » Tue Feb 24, 2004 10:11 pm

Sailor Moon...*shakes head* No. Just, no.
Did we really know how you would handle problems on your imaginary forum? NO. Did you pay ANY attention to what Dan wrote?

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Post by MarioKnight » Tue Feb 24, 2004 10:34 pm

*cracks knuckles* Time to practice my writing and typing skills by responding to this super long post before heading off to do a paper.

Ok, a triend I notice is that you say "I would not ban if" and note various things, where I assume due to the nature of your post and the fact that I know you and the other mods aren't getting along tonight, that (correct me if I'm wrong) that we here in SMU do ban people for all the things you mention. Let's make a condensed list and contradict these points:

* Repeating things - So far there only has been one instance of us banning for that, and that was you. You state that you would mention the problem to the users (on boards you would admin) and how to help them, in which we did to you. However, you immediately put up a defensive wall and kept on doing the same thing. Please don't make it seem like we don't try to mention problems to users as we do, which is why we give warnings out before bans.
* Insulting other's opinions - I don't think we've done this here, but I would see this as a justified reason to ban people if they insult others and their opinions quite often. It's one thing to have different opinions and have discussions where each side explains themselves, it's another thing to say that one's opinion sucks if someone doesn't agree with it.
* Going off topic - Never has been any bans for that, and never has been a big problem. Sure things and thoughts come up in a thread that goes OT for a little bit, but it's kept to a minimum.

I think that's in in the "I wouldn't ban" points. You mention some other interesting things though. I'm not going to touch upon multiple idendity disorders or scitzophrena (sp), since I don't know much about these disorders, and I'm almost willing to bet that people with them wouldn't go on the Internet, much less access these forums. Something I will disprove you on, is short attention spans. I would actually agree with your points on that, except there's one major thing that has to be said, and that is that these are internet forums, and anyone can easily just scroll up or down to get back into their train of thought. One with attention span problems can easily cope with it on forums. I myself have problems of this respect, but instead of making people feel sorry for me, I cope with it and use computer text logs and notebooks and stuff to help myself out, and this leads to my next arguement.

I get the impression that you think people should be more understanding of other people with certain problems, to which I will agree with you, to an extent. I am a believer in catering to the majority, in situations such as classes where there's only one or two people not getting the material and holding the progress on the entire class. In this example, I mention the negative effect of how that person keeps asking questions over and over and keeps the class from progressing in the overall lesson plan. The person forces the group as a whole to stay at their pace, rather than the pace of the rest of the class. A positive method would be for this person to seek aid outside the class from either the teacher or another student, so they don't fall behind and don't force the class to stay back. I should also mention how annoying it is to the class with that one person acting in the negative way, especially for the teacher, who tries to cater to everyone.

Staying with this example, we mods are like the teachers, trying our best to cater to the whole group of people and run things as smoothly as possible. If a problem occurs, we try to resolve it with the student and make them understand, if the student fails to change their ways then we send them to the principal's office for a while for them to think about what they've been doing.

And now, my brain is offically drained for the night, and this post has been long enough. Overall though, I would ask you to think about why we tell you things when we do rather than get all defensive and try to make us feel sorry for you and that we should be more considerate and all. We are very considerate of everyone, we have given you the same treatment as we would everyone else, yet you are the only one who comes right to the defensive and makes a huge-ass post about the way you are. Everyone else more or less shows understanding when a little conflict occurs, you are the only one that hasn't. Just some food for thought.
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Post by Anthy » Wed Feb 25, 2004 4:10 pm

Oh, yes, and don't IM Chibi-Mods (or Admin, for that matter) asking us to un-ban you. It will not happen. Period.

For one, Chibi-Mods don't have those capabilities. Even if we did, WE WOULDN'T. Asking a legitimate question like, "What exactly was offensive/self-promoting/whatever? Could you help me out so I don't make that mistake again?" is okay by me. I'd be happy to help.

However, "Anthy would you please unban me? I want back on the forums!" will not get you anywhere.... except blocked.
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Post by Tiff » Wed Feb 25, 2004 4:23 pm

Anthy wrote:Oh, yes, and don't IM Chibi-Mods (or Admin, for that matter) asking us to un-ban you. It will not happen. Period.

For one, Chibi-Mods don't have those capabilities. Even if we did, WE WOULDN'T. Asking a legitimate question like, "What exactly was offensive/self-promoting/whatever? Could you help me out so I don't make that mistake again?" is okay by me. I'd be happy to help.

However, "Anthy would you please unban me? I want back on the forums!" will not get you anywhere.... except blocked.
This is certainly true. DO NOT do this. If this is done, I will make sure that that chibi-mod lets me know, and you will only have succeeded in prolonging your ban.

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Rachel: Huh...a...moo point?
Joey: Yeah. It''''s like a cow''s opinion. It doesn''t matter....It''s moo.
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