smfan423 wrote:Actually, someone calculated the cost of rounding up all of these illegal aliens and it was just over a billion dollars.
.....................I hardly believe that "just over a billion dollars" is an accurate estimation of rounding up 11 million people scattered across the united states and sending them back to their countries of origin. Plane tickets for these 11 million people back to their home countries (lets say, for illustrations purpose that each ticket cost 400 dollars) would cost over 4 billion dollars in and of itself. A billion dollars is very very off, but what can you expect coming from this "someone".
Also, if no one is willing to hire them then they aren't going to be too comfortable now are they.
Except people ARE willing to hire them. Why else would they be here?
But the only way to keep people from hiring them is to set up a way to check on employers to see if they are hiring legal employees (and if they are hiring illegals then it is jail time, significant jail time-nothing else)
*blink* Why throw them in jail? Yeah it's illegal, but don't you think there are far more dangerous people we should be throwing in jail?
Also two layers of tall concrete wall is far better then any fence. All you need are motion sensors and other automated security devices with some troops and agents to respond. Then most of the remaining border agents guard the openings in the two ways. A similar method was used with San Diego ("Duncan Hunters' wall") and it reduced illegal traffic from thousands of trucks (per year) down to a handful a month which are easily caught. Walls work period.
I like the wall idea, it would curb illegal immigration, but motion sensors and automated devices would be far to expensive to install, maintain, and monitor over the ENTIRE US/Mexico border.
We also definitely need a higher minimum wage because without that businesses turn into the plantations of old--economic slavery is running rampant in America already right under our noses. The +80% of Americans need this protection to live. Also, wealth is becoming rediculously improportionant. Just look at the paychecks of CEOs (including those of oil companies). *And I won't even get into the extreme gas gauging going on*
Economic.....slavery? o_O; Uhh.....I hardly call the economy of the united states "Economic Slavery"....I think you could benefit from an economics class. ^^ As I said earlier, raising the min. wage would only cause the market to readjust itself and lower the worth of the dollar, making the new min. wage worth what the old min. wage was in the end. It's a simple Finance principle that is used every day in calculating interest rates and investments, 100 dollars in 10 years will not be worth 100 dollars today.
I'm not going to comment on any oil issues.
And I have to interject this: our economy will collapse no matter what happens with all the illegal immigrants. Outsourcing and free trade is the real economic problem.
What???? Free trade is the real problem?! *falls over dead* I cannot believe I just heard that x_x
The more jobs outsourced, the fewer jobs there are here in America.
Yes, and guess why they're outsourcing jobs? BECAUSE WE HAVE A MINIMUM WAGE and there are people in other countries that will work for less! =D!!!! And that argument is flawed, yes there will be less of the jobs we're outsourcing, but also by outsourcing we are cutting costs in business and thus encouraging growth of these companies here in the US and in turn, creating more jobs, and not just any jobs, but high level jobs. You can't say "outsourcing = lost jobs", it's not that simple, regardless of what Micheal Moore would like us to think >.>;;;
Further, without middle-class wages there is no middle-class and that means significantly fewer consumers to buy all those goods made in China and Korea and the rest of Asia and then profits steadily drop leading to economic collapse.
What??? *blink* No....That doesn't make any sense. You seem to keep forgetting that the market is going to continue to adjust itself and correct itself. Economics.........>.>;
Also, the economy cannot adjust when the people making the goods are not even in the same economy as the consumers of the goods.
Yes it can. It's been doing that for nearly a century. It's called "trade". It's good, it makes individual industries and areas and cultures more efficient and effective. Lots of things that consumers in america buy are from Japan, and likewise vice-versa, and this is beneficial to both economies.
And another thing, don't just up and trust what the government says when it comes to the job market (esp. with the unemployment rate which is based on how many people are drawing unemployment benefits-which lasts only 9 weeks in Alabama-and not on the number of people looking for work but don't have a job) I wouldn't be suprised to find 16% unemployment rate based on the number of people looking for work.
No. That's wrong. You do not need to be drawing unemployment benefits to be considered in the "unemployment rate" calculation. Here is a link:
"...individuals are classified as "unemployed" if they do not have a job, have actively looked for work in the prior four weeks, and are currently available for work."
That's almost in complete contridiction to the "fact" you provided.
Also, I have to note that people with college degrees can't find work. Now this is a racist issue. It seems like the only employed electrical engineers in America are Indians. I know someone who has looked for over a year for an EE job and he has a Masters in the stuff with spectacular grades. He has also found sites and forums online with other EEs (some with even with experience) and can't find a job yet they state their Indian classmates have gotten jobs. This is just one example of outsourcing (note most of these Indians are from Indian).
That is not an example of outsourcing unless the Indians are actually living and working in India, and from the example you gave it seems like they are living and working here in the united states. Again, that is NOT outsourcing. And it's not really racism either, it's moreso a case of stereotyping
Oh, and on a final word: check out Lou Dobbs, CNN, 5:00 pm CST. He speaks the truth plainly with facts to back him up. Just check it out.
-_-; Hardly. Seriously. Lou Dobbs is about as "truthful" and "unbiased" as Bill O'Reilly. Lou Dobbs is a huge left wing liberal and spins everything to the left just as much as Bill is a right wing conservative and spins everything to the right.........
Forgive the offtopicness of this post. Although it is true that immigration does affect the economy in which we live.