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Post by Rainbow » Fri Apr 22, 2005 8:23 am

I don't think it has to do with her own choices. I think it might be a clue to the fact that she's Sailor Moon's daughter, since her sailor suits are all the same colors as Usagi's are. And if it does, maybe she really likes wearing sailor suits or something.
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Post by sailorceres » Thu Sep 28, 2006 2:35 pm

Rainbow wrote:In R, Chibi-Usa-sama's friend Momoko has brown hair. But when she's shown again in SuperS, she has purple hair. Why did they change this? Maybe someone forgot what her hair color was?
omg i know what you mean this alwasy bothered me! i mean it was a drastic change!

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Post by Sailor Rose » Thu Sep 28, 2006 4:40 pm

How did Chibi-Usa get pink hair if Mamoru and Usagi have normal hair?
Okay i dont know about this but i read it somewhere a few years ago.

Obviously desendants of the moonkingdom are affected by the moon as it is their guardian planet. The page i read sugested Rini was born during a solar eclipse and it had a reddening affect on her, causing red eyes and pink hair. others wil suggest reessive genes.

Just a though Queen Serenity had purple hair...maybe if this worked, i think I;m going too far..., maybe queen serenity's parents had pink hair and blue hair! causing purple. I dont know im just hyper. But also a very creative person came up with generations. Showing rini and helios marry in the furute and have neo-queen serenity III and she had blue hair hehe.

anyway i think the recessive genes are more exact, but everyone remeber is it just an anime! and alot of anime charactors have multicoloured hair

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Post by bioengineer » Thu Sep 28, 2006 5:08 pm

Perhaps someone could clear up a few temporal questions I have:

Case 1: SuperS/Stars season. Queen Nephelina captures Mamoru. This would prevent Usagi from ever marrying him and is demonstrated by Chibiusa's physcial fading in and out and even dissappearing completely.

Contradiction 1: If Chibiusa ceased to exist then no one would have any memory of her. Yet even after the point of non-existence everyone still remembers her enough to come to the rescue.

Case 2: Stars season. Mamoru is murdered by Galaxia. Following the logic and results from Case 1, it can be stated that Chibiusa's life effectively terminates at the moment of murder and is dead from that moment on.

Contradiction 2: Since Chibiusa does not exist anymore, photos that included Chibiusa would have her absent. No one would hold memory of her. Yet this does not happen. Moreso, in R, S, and SuperS season, since she does not exist in the timeline anymore, her actions which resulted in the positive outcome of past important battles would have not taken place. A totally new outcome would result. This futher compounds the paradox.

The Grandfather Paradox is somewhat obeyed here. You kill your father before conception you would cease to exist. But falls apart after that.

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Post by Rainbow » Thu Sep 28, 2006 5:32 pm

This is about Chibi-Usa's hair color (I'm not sure about the time paradoxes in Stars thing). Perhaps one or both of Mamoru's parents had pink hair? Since we never saw what they looked like, that possibility is open.
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Post by Cardcaptor Takato » Thu Sep 28, 2006 5:36 pm

Why does Usagi have blonde hair and Shingo have brown hair when Kenji has black hair and Ikuko has blue hair?
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Post by Panda » Thu Sep 28, 2006 6:19 pm

Becuase Usagi isn't really their kid...

I mean, technically (and genetically) she is but since she was origainlly Queen Serenity's kid then it explains her light hair.


Now that I think about it, it would also explain Chibi-Usa's hair in a way. Grandparents no doubt have an impact on ressesive genes. Perhaps Usagi's granparents had pinkish or red hair? Or like said, Mamoru's parents had lighter hair.

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Post by usachan » Thu Sep 28, 2006 6:22 pm

It's an anime, not Biology class. They have whatever color hair Naoko wanted them to have.

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Post by Sailorasteroid » Thu Sep 28, 2006 6:51 pm

bioengineer wrote:Perhaps someone could clear up a few temporal questions I have:
Let me introduce you to:

Sailorasteroid's Theory of Time Travel

To begin with, we must look at time travel in a "going forward" way, i.e. examining 20th century events before 30th century ones. Now, by quantum theory, there is a small, but nonzero probability that a point in space will, at a given time, contain a specific piece of matter/energy with a specific motion. And therefore a smaller, yet still nonzero, probabilty that this will occur over several continuous points. It could be as simple as a solitary still quark, or as complex as, say, a Chibiusa with a brain so configured as to have memories of having grown up in 30th century Crystal Tokyo.

Now, if we assume this spontaneous and improbable existence occurs at a space point I'll call "the summer festival" and a time point I'll call "Episode 103," then this improbability must be balanced with an equal and opposite reaction of probability, a sort of "anti-probability." The simplest way to balance the reaction is to have a Crystal Tokyo emerge by the 30th century, have a Chibiusa grow up in it, and then spontaneously cease to exist under the same quantum actions.

However, if an event precludes the simple balance, it is still necessary to balance it out. Much of the anti-probability is absorbed in the form of the quantum disappearance of a nearly equal mass-energy combination that I will term a "Sailor Chibimoon in the Neherenia Arc." The remaining anti-probability would, I theorize, be dispersed between the point of the upsetting event and the point in which the simple balance would have occurred, in various low-probability quantum events. A few muons here, some bosons there, and possibly a slight change in air pressure at the point where Crystal Tokyo would have been, 1000 years or so from now.

Compare it to the recoil of a rifle. As the bullet leaves, an equal and opposite reaction occurs, sending the butt backwards. But if the energy of this reaction is used to, say, load the next round, the force on the butt is lessened, but the flight of the bullet is unaffected. Similarly, the time travel "cause" can occur any number of ways, with no effect on the time travel "results."

By this theory, none of the effects of Chibiusa's 20th century existence would be wiped out by her not being born; she would simply be a quantum anomaly, resolved and balanced in an unusual way. And since events occurred that restored the simple balance, that anomaly was free to continue.
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Post by StarFlame Soldier » Fri Sep 29, 2006 2:47 am

About rini's hair: Didn't Usagi's mother (the Queen) have white hair? This could've affected the tint of rini's hair. Or it could have something to do with her weird age.
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Post by Yasha Kodachi » Fri Sep 29, 2006 4:35 am

Okay, I've been wondering about this ever since I started watching Sailor Moon:

Using Haruka and Michiru for an example just because, since Usagi knew what they looked and sounded like, WHY couldn't she tell that they were Uranus and Neptune in ep. 92? How come Minako and Usagi couldn't connect their faces? I just don't get it.

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Post by Jusenkyo no Pikachu » Fri Sep 29, 2006 5:23 am

Sailorasteroid wrote:
bioengineer wrote:Perhaps someone could clear up a few temporal questions I have:
Let me introduce you to:

Sailorasteroid's Theory of Time Travel

To begin with, we must look at time travel in a "going forward" way, i.e. examining 20th century events before 30th century ones. Now, by quantum theory, there is a small, but nonzero probability that a point in space will, at a given time, contain a specific piece of matter/energy with a specific motion. And therefore a smaller, yet still nonzero, probabilty that this will occur over several continuous points. It could be as simple as a solitary still quark, or as complex as, say, a Chibiusa with a brain so configured as to have memories of having grown up in 30th century Crystal Tokyo.

Now, if we assume this spontaneous and improbable existence occurs at a space point I'll call "the summer festival" and a time point I'll call "Episode 103," then this improbability must be balanced with an equal and opposite reaction of probability, a sort of "anti-probability." The simplest way to balance the reaction is to have a Crystal Tokyo emerge by the 30th century, have a Chibiusa grow up in it, and then spontaneously cease to exist under the same quantum actions.

However, if an event precludes the simple balance, it is still necessary to balance it out. Much of the anti-probability is absorbed in the form of the quantum disappearance of a nearly equal mass-energy combination that I will term a "Sailor Chibimoon in the Neherenia Arc." The remaining anti-probability would, I theorize, be dispersed between the point of the upsetting event and the point in which the simple balance would have occurred, in various low-probability quantum events. A few muons here, some bosons there, and possibly a slight change in air pressure at the point where Crystal Tokyo would have been, 1000 years or so from now.

Compare it to the recoil of a rifle. As the bullet leaves, an equal and opposite reaction occurs, sending the butt backwards. But if the energy of this reaction is used to, say, load the next round, the force on the butt is lessened, but the flight of the bullet is unaffected. Similarly, the time travel "cause" can occur any number of ways, with no effect on the time travel "results."

By this theory, none of the effects of Chibiusa's 20th century existence would be wiped out by her not being born; she would simply be a quantum anomaly, resolved and balanced in an unusual way. And since events occurred that restored the simple balance, that anomaly was free to continue.
To put it simply: Maybe the timeline was slowly realigning itself after a fuckup. You recall in Back to the Future how the photo didn't change until long after Marty arrived, and even then the changes were gradual? It's like that.
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Post by Panda » Fri Sep 29, 2006 5:52 am

Yasha Kodachi wrote:Okay, I've been wondering about this ever since I started watching Sailor Moon:

Using Haruka and Michiru for an example just because, since Usagi knew what they looked and sounded like, WHY couldn't she tell that they were Uranus and Neptune in ep. 92? How come Minako and Usagi couldn't connect their faces? I just don't get it.

The same reason Naru never knew Usagi=Sailor Moon.

It has to be a combination of really thick make-up and voice changers...

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Post by Origiri » Fri Sep 29, 2006 5:56 am

^Yes, but SM still ran away from Shingo in the first season, fearing he would know her as Usagi.

Obviously, nobody is able to recognise them once they change to Sailor forms, due to magic of the fuku?

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Post by Panda » Fri Sep 29, 2006 5:59 am

She probably wasn't aware she was unrecognizable...

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Post by Cardcaptor Takato » Fri Sep 29, 2006 9:43 am

bioengineer wrote:Perhaps someone could clear up a few temporal questions I have:

Case 1: SuperS/Stars season. Queen Nephelina captures Mamoru. This would prevent Usagi from ever marrying him and is demonstrated by Chibiusa's physcial fading in and out and even dissappearing completely.

Contradiction 1: If Chibiusa ceased to exist then no one would have any memory of her. Yet even after the point of non-existence everyone still remembers her enough to come to the rescue.

Case 2: Stars season. Mamoru is murdered by Galaxia. Following the logic and results from Case 1, it can be stated that Chibiusa's life effectively terminates at the moment of murder and is dead from that moment on.

Contradiction 2: Since Chibiusa does not exist anymore, photos that included Chibiusa would have her absent. No one would hold memory of her. Yet this does not happen. Moreso, in R, S, and SuperS season, since she does not exist in the timeline anymore, her actions which resulted in the positive outcome of past important battles would have not taken place. A totally new outcome would result. This futher compounds the paradox.

The Grandfather Paradox is somewhat obeyed here. You kill your father before conception you would cease to exist. But falls apart after that.
1. Both Nehelenia and the Sailor Soldiers state that they have to save Mamoru before the next dawn or the future will be permanetly changed, so in this case there was a time limit of sorts to how long the present will last as is before it's affected by the changing of the future. 2. In Sailor Stars, Mamoru isn't really "dead", it was only that his Star Seed was taken from him. The Starlights state later in the series that as long as the Star Seed still exists, they're still alive, and since Mamoru's Star Seed still existed, he wasn't really dead.
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Post by bioengineer » Fri Sep 29, 2006 12:17 pm

Cardcaptor Takato wrote: The Starlights state later in the series that as long as the Star Seed still exists, they're still alive, and since Mamoru's Star Seed still existed, he wasn't really dead.
Could you tell me where exactly did they say this? Proof please.
Yaten did say at the begining of Stars, "Another light has been extinguished", was a reference to Mamoru being killed.

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Post by Crecent beam » Fri Sep 29, 2006 1:05 pm

I remember they said to Sailor Moon: They are not gone as long as you don't give up.
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Post by usachan » Fri Sep 29, 2006 1:06 pm

Yasha Kodachi wrote:Okay, I've been wondering about this ever since I started watching Sailor Moon:

Using Haruka and Michiru for an example just because, since Usagi knew what they looked and sounded like, WHY couldn't she tell that they were Uranus and Neptune in ep. 92? How come Minako and Usagi couldn't connect their faces? I just don't get it.
What bothered me about this is the fact that in episode 102, when Haruka and Michuru are talking to Usagi in the car, she recalls Uranus and Neptune. She then talks to them, as if it was Uranus and Neptune, but later on she is shocked to find out it was them. Also, Haruka said she thought Sailor Moon looked liked Usagi for a second.

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